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Old Sep 26th, 2010, 01:37 PM       

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Old Sep 27th, 2010, 11:38 PM       
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Old Sep 27th, 2011, 03:39 PM       
Bump. (apologies)

I thought this was a good summary of the AGW/no AGW debate, from a scientifically biased point of view. I say biased because, in this day and age, it has been politically divided, with the d's on one side and the r's on the other. The scientist credited with coining the phrase "global warming" back in the '70's was interviewed for the article, so it's good for a historical perspective as well.

I like the commentary below on this same page, where there still reside individuals ostensibly in the scientific community still denying the fact that temperatures are rising, whatever the cause.
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Old Sep 28th, 2011, 04:51 AM       
From what I learned, 'climate change' is older than 'global warming' in the modern lexicon of retarded layman speak; are constantly changing terms in the world of evolving political speech. But the fucking fuckhead fucktards will lead you to believe that scientists have switched from one form of colloquialism to another in an attempt to undermine the casual observer. When its really just a matter of preferance.
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Old Sep 28th, 2011, 09:51 PM       
I'm just waiting for the 'real' debates to start when we can start listening to these right wingnuts answer questions about climate science and intelligent design and sound like the complete morons they are.
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Old Sep 29th, 2011, 12:22 AM       
I'd be more inclined to say that we'll be listening to rightwing nutters tell us about how god is warming the earth in response to allowing homosexual marriage run rampant. They already sound like morons.

There's going to be a point where the absolute majority agrees that we are fucking up the environment of this planet, including politicians, and it's only going to be once we've gone too far and can't fix it.
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Old Sep 29th, 2011, 12:59 AM       
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Old Nov 24th, 2011, 06:54 AM       
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According to some scientists, the supposed ice age will start once the ocean's salinity reaches a certain level. With the oceans warming, and ice caps melting. The salinity levels of the ocean drops, this alters our oceans dramatically, and changes the cyclical currents already at play. Creating new weather patterns and ultimately, another ice age.

Timescales are still big, from hundreds to thousands of years. But geologically speaking, rapid.
Now this I did not know! Wish I had pay more attention in school to these things, rather than reading british novels.
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Old Nov 24th, 2011, 02:02 PM       
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Old Nov 24th, 2011, 02:36 PM       
Humans aren't the cause of global warming, you jerks. It's all the sun's fault. We're in an abnormally active sun cycle right now that we haven't had since the mid 1600s, and guess what? Records show that the average global temperature at the time was comparable to today's. THE FUTURE WILL PROVE ME RIGHT, I ASSURE YOU. I don't want to pull a Coolinator and state my lame ass opinions without any real source to back them up, but it's Thanksgiving right now and I'm eating turkey so I'll dig up my sources at a later date.

I feel very dirty for having this opinion on global warming but I find it very strange that something this seemingly obvious is being completely overlooked. If you look at sun cycle records they almost completely match average global temp records for the last few centuries. 60-some-odd years ago the world was worried about global cooling, and the sun cycle was abnormally mellow. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but come on.
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Old Nov 24th, 2011, 02:47 PM       
I remember global cooling when I was starting grade school. They were talking about us being in a new ice age. Now it's all global warming, which doesn't sound as fun. I think scientists just like fucking with people.
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Old Nov 25th, 2011, 12:04 AM       
Mulhouse has a good point. The world isn't going to catch on fire, I personally just think sometimes shit gets hotter and sometimes shit gets colder.
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Old Nov 25th, 2011, 12:30 PM       
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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 03:13 AM       
so wait, the earth's temperature is primarily determined by the sun

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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 03:24 AM       
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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 07:16 AM       
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I feel very dirty for having this opinion on global warming but I find it very strange that something this seemingly obvious is being completely overlooked. If you look at sun cycle records they almost completely match average global temp records for the last few centuries. 60-some-odd years ago the world was worried about global cooling, and the sun cycle was abnormally mellow. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but come on.
I can't tell if you are joking or not.
This correlation between our planet's heat and the sun's output ceases around the 70s. Climatologists aren't retarded, they have considered this, and if you look at the planetary heat in a shorter time-span than centuries, and reduce it down to only the past 100 years, you will see a distinct separation of the two heat scales with the planets ramping noticably higher than the suns.
Yes the sun's output has been higher in the past 25 years, reaching outrageous levels in the late 90s early 2000s, however it has stabilized while the planet continues to get hotter. In the next decade the suns heat is predicted to go down dramatically to points where some alarmist have started to spread rumors of a 'mini-ice age', but the heat of the planet is not projected to cool to that level despite the cool sun. And we haven't even seen how hot it could get once El-nino starts up again.
Yes the effect of co2 and methane on our temperature is miniscule compared to the effect of the sun, of course, but its similar to turning on a heater in your house just a tiny bit when there is already a fire going: that ten extra degrees will be too much for you.

On the note of the public, and political perspective of this matter, I am very irritated with people who are suddenly "believing" in global warming lately just because they are having to run the air conditioner on higher than usual in the past couple of years. Its not something you can tell with just a thermometer, you need the proper data that does indeed say we are hotter than we should be.
Global warming isn't exactly a 100% real thing yet. We aren't as sure about it as we are evolution, or gravity, or any of the other things that are allowed to be taught in schools as fact.
Nobody should be saying that global warming is definitely real, but rather just be taken seriously as definite threat and combat if it happens to be so. What we have so far does not mean that we are definitely the cause of the heat, it only appears to be that way. We should definitely treat it as though it is a real thing though, just in case.
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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 09:01 AM       
'Global warming' as a phrase taken literally is very much true. Relative to the length of time humanity's had to accurately measure temperature, shit's getting hotter.

It's mainly the marketing that bothers me - more so for global conservation than things like the evolution and gravity. If it can be proven or, failing that, believable, then people can be duped. I hate con-artists and rubes more than anything else on Earth.
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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 10:15 AM       
Well to the sun causes it argument I would say this.

Gradually, that is the case, stars expand, they all expand. As they get bigger they get both hotter and closer.

So in a very very very slow way, global warming is an unstoppable natural occurrence

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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 10:21 AM       
Also

Why why why when Coolinator posted his post about CO2 and 5 billlion people did not one of us, myself included, think to post the scene from Spaceballs where Druidia was getting all the air sucked out and Dick Van Patten was getting asphyxiated?

I feel like that was a missed opportunity

EDIT: at the Coolinator grasping at the obvious spambot bump from April 2010 as though it were a legitimate poster of substance agreeing with him.

Glad this got bumped, it was a fun walk down memory lane
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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM       
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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 02:10 PM       
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Humans aren't the cause of global warming, you jerks. It's all the sun's fault. We're in an abnormally active sun cycle right now that we haven't had since the mid 1600s, and guess what? Records show that the average global temperature at the time was comparable to today's. THE FUTURE WILL PROVE ME RIGHT, I ASSURE YOU. I don't want to pull a Coolinator and state my lame ass opinions without any real source to back them up, but it's Thanksgiving right now and I'm eating turkey so I'll dig up my sources at a later date.

I feel very dirty for having this opinion on global warming but I find it very strange that something this seemingly obvious is being completely overlooked. If you look at sun cycle records they almost completely match average global temp records for the last few centuries. 60-some-odd years ago the world was worried about global cooling, and the sun cycle was abnormally mellow. Correlation doesn't equal causation, but come on.
I couldn't find any correlation

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Old Nov 26th, 2011, 07:39 PM       
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