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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 01:19 PM        This is for the Union supporters
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/69508.htm

NO-SHOW WORKERS TO SHOW UP IN CUFFS

By AL GUART and JOHN LEHMANN
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February 26, 2003 -- EXCLUSIVE

As many as 40 mobsters and members of a union being probed for taking no-show jobs in the Ground Zero cleanup will be busted today for similar schemes at other city construction sites, sources told The Post yesterday.

After a long-running organized-crime probe, FBI agents are planning to arrest members of the International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 and 15 in a series of early-morning raids.

Investigators have uncovered links between the two locals and high-ranking members of the Genovese and Colombo crime families, according to a 143-page indictment to be unsealed in Manhattan.

Among those being probed is a Local 15 master mechanic the feds suspect was the Genovese ring's representative in the union.

The probe, initiated by the state Organized Crime Task Force more than a year ago, focused on many construction sites across the city, including the new $800 million Brooklyn Supreme Court building and Ground Zero.

But the indictment, to be announced by Manhattan U.S. Attorney Jim Comey today, does not include allegations of illegal activities at Ground Zero, one source said.

The probe into union practices during the Ground Zero cleanup is continuing, the source said.

A spokesman for Comey's office did not comment last night.
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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 01:23 PM       
I'm convinced. I think all unions, in fact ANY form of dialouge and communication between the working class, is dangerous. We need Pinkertons again, IMO.
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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 01:26 PM       
You don't need unions to communicate.
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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 01:27 PM       
You're right, that's what your 15 is for.
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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 01:38 PM       
Oh my God. Organized crime is involved in the Unions. I am utterly shocked. Who ever heard of such a thing.

Obviously, all Unions are evil and corrupt, and should be destroyed. Maybe Dubya already has it on his "Action Item List."

Say, Raygun, as an airline employee, aren't you a Union member?
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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 01:42 PM       
Ronnie is his OWN union, Sspad. Why does he need a union to do what he is perfectly capable of himself??? I want to invest in a Pinkerton company if one starts up....
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Old Feb 26th, 2003, 05:30 PM       
I like the idea of unions. Its the workers standing up to the bosses without involving government. My dad's union was a big help during his cancer treatment and his surgeries.

However, unions are easily corrupted. they stopped being run by actual workers and took over by professional union guys. Of course, many, if not most, of them work for the mob. Ironically, the mob happened to be in cahoots with the bosses the unions originally fought against.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 09:40 AM       
"I like the idea of unions. Its the workers standing up to the bosses without involving government."

Actually it's the workers shooting themselves in the foot. If you are in a union, you don't really work for the company. You become a contract worker and are pitted against the company. There's this "us against them" attitude that can only hurt the company thereby hurting the worker.

"My dad's union was a big help during his cancer treatment and his surgeries."

How is he doing now?
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 11:13 AM       
You didn't answer my question, Raygun.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 11:21 AM       
No . I do not work for a union .

Delta is the least unionized airline in the industry which explains why we are better off than all the other major carriers.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 11:38 AM       
Well, then I admit I was misinformed. It seemed a fair assumption, since the airline industry is so heavily unionized. What about when you were a baggage handler?
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 01:34 PM       
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No . I do not work for a union .

Delta is the least unionized airline in the industry which explains why we are better off than all the other major carriers.
Isn't Jet Blue doing better? I'm not goingto claim to be an expert by any means on the airline industry, I just thought that to be true.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 09:09 PM       
What are workers supposed to do when management decides to put the screws to them? The only thing the workers have in their favor are superior numbers. They have to stay organized to keep their rights. I've been in a union ( a corrupt union, but a union still) and several jobs that aren't union. Believe me, the union is a great help especially for unskilled labor.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 10:05 PM       
Ronnie is a scab.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 11:36 PM       
You have to me a union member to be a scab which I'm not.

Spad, even when I worked on the ramp, I didn't belong to a union. Actually we voted it down and the union only got 17% of the vote.

Jet Blue is hardly a major carrier........the good thing about them right now is that they are not losing money due to the fact that they don't have much overhead....delta obviously does.....however when Delta starts their new susidiary (spelling.....????......I've had two guiness....two red bull and vodka....and one gin and tonic in the last hour and a half) ....SONG and when we start to make money again, they'll be making a 10th of what we make......

Right now, Southwest is tops........

Blanco, unions suck the life of the working class....................
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 11:44 PM       
scab (n)
a) A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
b) An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
c) A person hired to replace a striking worker.

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Old Mar 1st, 2003, 02:44 PM       
Interesting. The difference between sober and drunk Ronnie is a spelling error.

So, clearly, the posts don't originate from the brain.
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Old Mar 1st, 2003, 04:29 PM       
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Corrupt unions do, but a good union protects the working class.

And talk about sucking the lifeblood out, what will an unchecked management do?
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Old Mar 2nd, 2003, 08:54 PM       
I bet Raygun would eat em up if we call them "confederates".
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Old Mar 3rd, 2003, 07:09 AM       
"scab (n)
a) A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
b) An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
c) A person hired to replace a striking worker."

I don't work for a union.

A union does not exist in my dept.

There is NO union to refuse. So that marks out "a" and "b".

I wasn't hired to replace a striking worker. So that marks out "c".

Conclusion: Chimp is wrong again.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2003, 11:24 AM       
Interesting. How come Chimp is 'wrong' as opposed to being a 'liar'? Either you've been listening to me or you're sweet on Chimp.

Oh, and to go back to the begining, I totally think those guys commited crimes because of their union membership. I bet they were honest hardworking Americans before they got into the Union.

Corruption seems pretty evenly spread to me between bosses and Unions. Or maybe not. If you added up all those no show salaries, how would they compare to what Enron bilked out of California, not to mention the life savings of it's employees. It's funny how those crimes got committed by management. They must have been negatively affected by exposure to too many Union movies and Video games.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2003, 11:50 AM       
I don't see the connection between Enron and labor unions.

Anyway, just look at how many people have lost their jobs while the unions were promising "unions can save your job".

Look at Eastern Airlines. They are a perfect example.....and just as bad as Enron was for the time.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2003, 11:52 AM       
I don't see the connection between Enron and labor unions.

Now I will make a point that is related and be oblivious to it.

And now I will directly draw such a connection and make Chojin lol.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2003, 12:02 PM       
I don't see the connection between white collar crime committed by one group of people and white collar crime committed by another group of people.

Naldo. Again, a direct question. I Chimp just wrong about you being a SCAB or is he lieing?
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