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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 04:10 AM        How much of the "top 250" do you own?
I own 10.4 percent. I'm working on it dammit.

1. 9.0 Godfather, The (1972)
8. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002)
9. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
16. 8.6 Pulp Fiction (1994)
17. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
20. 8.5 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966)
25. 8.5 Cidade de Deus (2002)
29. 8.5 Goodfellas (1990)
34. 8.4 Matrix, The (1999)
42. 8.4 Fight Club (1999)
49. 8.3 L.A. Confidential (1997)
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
60. 8.2 Alien (1979)
72. 8.2 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
73. 8.2 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
76. 8.2 Clockwork Orange, A (1971)
82. 8.2 Jaws (1975)
87. 8.1 Aliens (1986)
94. 8.1 Blade Runner (1982)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
143. 8.0 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
145. 8.0 Back to the Future (1985)
156. 7.9 Die Hard (1988)
199. 7.8 Twelve Monkeys (1995)
224. 7.8 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)
247. 7.7 Minority Report (2002)
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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 06:15 AM       
I'm sure I've got a decent share, but I suspect I have a higher percentage of the bottom 100.
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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 10:52 AM       
where is the list of this top 250 you speak of?
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imdb.com I'm assuming...
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I've got The Good the Bad and the Ugly for sure.

Others I don't know.
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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 01:30 PM       
All I have out of that list is terminator 2
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16. 8.6 Pulp Fiction (1994)
21. 8.5 12 Angry Men (1957)
34. 8.4 Matrix, The (1999)
55. 8.3 Se7en (1995)
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
115. 8.0 Forrest Gump (1994)
223. 7.8 Big Lebowski, The (1998)
227. 7.8 X2 (2003)
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2. 8.9 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 122,991
3. 8.9 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 70,134
8. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 90,796
9. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 132,925
10. 8.7 Star Wars (1977) 116,126
11. 8.7 Citizen Kane (1941) 52,514
13. 8.6 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 89,317
15. 8.6 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 53,697
17. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 81,016
18. 8.6 Usual Suspects, The (1995) 89,066
19. 8.6 Memento (2000) 74,628
30. 8.4 American Beauty (1999) 94,150
36. 8.4 Apocalypse Now (1979) 54,890
41. 8.4 Fight Club (1999) 91,351
55. 8.3 Se7en (1995) 73,841
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) 51,507
77. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003) 29,455
81. 8.2 Apartment, The (1960) 9,365
86. 8.1 Metropolis (1927) 9,877
94. 8.1 Blade Runner (1982) 65,503
96. 8.1 Sixth Sense, The (1999) 83,094
101. 8.1 Princess Bride, The (1987) 47,108
115. 8.0 Forrest Gump (1994) 75,490
131. 8.0 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) 70,355
138. 8.0 Shrek (2001) 52,388
140. 8.0 Lost in Translation (2003) 28,007
143. 8.0 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) 52,604
145. 8.0 Back to the Future (1985) 58,443
157. 7.9 Life of Brian (1979) 28,100
161. 7.9 Monsters, Inc. (2001) 31,142
176. 7.9 Ed Wood (1994) 18,092
178. 7.9 Almost Famous (2000) 32,395
190. 7.8 Big Fish (2003) 19,462
195. 7.8 Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922) 6,775
202. 7.8 Trainspotting (1996) 44,067
203. 7.8 Groundhog Day (1993) 37,302
208. 7.8 This Is Spinal Tap (1984) 16,782
233. 7.8 Planet of the Apes (1968) 17,352
248. 7.7 Good Will Hunting (1997) 53,520

39 = 13,5%

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1. 1.6 'Manos' the Hands of Fate (1966) 6,278
10. 1.8 Troll 2 (1990) 1,452
21. 2.3 Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (1964) 1,537
40. 2.7 Police Academy 6: City Under Siege (1989) 3,621
46. 2.8 Police Academy 5: Assignment: Miami Beach (1988) 4,232
51. 3.0 Spice World (1997) 6,364
62. 3.1 Street Fighter (1994) 5,687
92. 3.4 Police Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol (1987) 4,702
99. 3.5 Plan 9 from Outer Space (1959) 6,385

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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 02:25 PM       
Spice World was good jerk-off material.
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10. 8.7 Star Wars (1977)
13. 8.6 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
24. 8.5 Psycho (1960)
36. 8.4 Apocalypse Now (1979)
46. 8.3 Boot, Das (1981)
60. 8.2 Alien (1979)
77. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003)
82. 8.2 Jaws (1975)
87. 8.1 Aliens (1986)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
131. 8.0 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
153. 7.9 Young Frankenstein (1974)
161. 7.9 Monsters, Inc. (2001)
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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 04:18 PM       
Finding Nemo was good.
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9. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
62. 8.2 Wizard of Oz, The (1939)
102. 8.1 Full Metal Jacket (1987)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
115. 8.0 Forrest Gump (1994)
138. 8.0 Shrek (2001)
153. 7.9 Young Frankenstein (1974)
170. 7.9 Gladiator (2000)
197. 7.8 Stand by Me (1986)
202. 7.8 Trainspotting (1996)
233. 7.8 Planet of the Apes (1968)
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question : top 250 based on what ?
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Old Aug 4th, 2004, 09:12 PM       
i know someone that has them all they are copied dvd but they are all there
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1. 9.0 Godfather, The (1972)
4. 8.8 Godfather: Part II, The (1974) 59,010
12. 8.7 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 59,579
16. 8.6 Pulp Fiction (1994) 109,673
17. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 81,016
19. 8.6 Memento (2000) 74,628
27. 8.5 It's a Wonderful Life (1946) 35,726
28. 8.5 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991) 79,580
34. 8.4 Matrix, The (1999) 123,028
35. 8.4 To Kill a Mockingbird (1962) 25,772
41. 8.4 Fight Club (1999) 91,351
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) 51,507
60. 8.2 Alien (1979) 53,580
62. 8.2 Wizard of Oz, The (1939) 33,007
64. 8.2 Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003) 44,678
72. 8.2 Reservoir Dogs (1992) 57,049
75. 8.2 Clockwork Orange, A (1971) 55,001
77. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003) 29,455
86. 8.1 Metropolis (1927) 9,877
87. 8.1 Aliens (1986) 55,038
88. 8.1 Fargo (1996) 56,806
89. 8.1 Shining, The (1980) 42,161
94. 8.1 Blade Runner (1982) 65,503
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 66,534
115. 8.0 Forrest Gump (1994) 75,490
116. 8.0 Graduate, The (1967) 23,389
138. 8.0 Shrek (2001) 52,388
145. 8.0 Back to the Future (1985) 58,443
147. 8.0 Christmas Story, A (1983) 16,666
153. 7.9 Young Frankenstein (1974) 18,886
156. 7.9 Die Hard (1988) 50,392
157. 7.9 Life of Brian (1979) 28,100
171. 7.9 Sling Blade (1996) 17,724
172. 7.9 Day the Earth Stood Still, The (1951) 8,653
197. 7.8 Stand by Me (1986) 26,023
201. 7.8 Terminator, The (1984) 51,015
203. 7.8 Groundhog Day (1993) 37,302
208. 7.8 This Is Spinal Tap (1984) 16,782
214. 7.8 Rain Man (1988) 36,134
216. 7.8 Adaptation. (2002) 18,784
223. 7.8 Big Lebowski, The (1998) 40,490
233. 7.8 Planet of the Apes (1968) 17,352

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2. Shawshank Redemption, The (1994) 123,090
3. Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003) 70,234
8. Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002) 90,865
9. Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001) 133,000
15. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) 53,731
17. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 81,049
19. Memento (2000) 74,680
28. Silence of the Lambs, The (1991) 79,625
29. Goodfellas (1990) 56,586
30. American Beauty (1999) 94,198
34. Matrix, The (1999) 123,101
41. Fight Club (1999) 91,423
44. Some Like It Hot (1959) 21,623
55. Se7en (1995) 73,889
56. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) 51,535
61. 8.2 American History X (1998) 48,164
62. 8.2 Wizard of Oz, The (1939) 33,021
63. 8.2 Léon (1994) 42,125
75. 8.2 Clockwork Orange, A (1971) 55,029
76. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003) 29,502
82. 8.2 Jaws (1975) 40,121
85. 8.1 Braveheart (1995) 79,620
89. 8.1 Shining, The (1980) 42,191
93. 8.1 Donnie Darko (2001) 35,495
98. 8.1 Duck Soup (1933) 8,387
101. 8.1 Princess Bride, The (1987) 47,133
102. 8.1 Full Metal Jacket (1987) 39,904
110. 8.0 Toy Story 2 (1999) 34,688
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 66,574
115. 8.0 Forrest Gump (1994) 75,538
130. 8.0 Green Mile, The (1999) 49,581
131. 8.0 Elephant Man, The (1980) 13,684
139. 8.0 Lost in Translation (2003) 28,062
142. 8.0 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) 52,634
143. 8.0 Arsenic and Old Lace (1944) 9,650
145. 8.0 Back to the Future (1985) 58,479
148. 8.0 Gone with the Wind (1939) 24,484
149. 7.9 Platoon (1986) 29,354
153. 7.9 Young Frankenstein (1974) 18,901
161. 7.9 Monsters, Inc. (2001) 31,174
176. 7.9 Ed Wood (1994) 18,101 ( I *will* own this on dvd, but I have it on tape!)
177. 7.9 Toy Story (1995) 39,348
178. 7.9 Almost Famous (2000)
190. Big Fish (2003) 19,507
191. Harvey (1950) 6,647
196. Being John Malkovich (1999) 46,457
197. Stand by Me (1986) 26,046
201. Terminator, The (1984) 51,048
208. This Is Spinal Tap (1984) 16,796
223. Big Lebowski, The (1998) 40,521
227. X2 (2003) 29,522
240. 7.7 Beauty and the Beast (1991) 21,554
248. 7.7 Minority Report (2002) 42,246
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2. 8.9 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994)
3. 8.9 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003)
5. 8.8 Shichinin no samurai (1954)
8. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002)
26. 8.5 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001)
28. 8.5 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
41. 8.4 Fight Club (1999)
51. 8.3 Requiem for a Dream (2000)
55. 8.3 Se7en (1995)
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
58. 8.3 Saving Private Ryan (1998)
72. 8.2 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
89. 8.1 Shining, The (1980)
93. 8.1 Donnie Darko (2001)
102. 8.1 Full Metal Jacket (1987)
107. 8.1 Yojimbo (1961)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
118. 8.0 Deer Hunter, The (1978)
123. 8.0 Once Upon a Time in America (1984)
127. 8.0 Unforgiven (1992)
130. 8.0 Green Mile, The (1999)
149. 7.9 Platoon (1986)
156. 7.9 Die Hard (1988)
158. 7.9 Life of Brian (1979)
223. 7.8 Big Lebowski, The (1998)
230. 7.8 Untouchables, The (1987)
247. 7.7 Heat (1995)
248. 7.7 Minority Report (2002)


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are Format C and I the ONLY people here who own The Good, the Bad and the Ugly?

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that my favorite movie of all time, i have it.
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76. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003)
110. 8.0 Toy Story 2 (1999)
138. 8.0 Shrek (2001)
177. 7.9 Toy Story (1995)
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1. 9.0 Godfather, The (1972)
4. 8.8 Godfather: Part II, The (1974)
5. 8.8 Shichinin no samurai (1954)
8. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002)
9. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
10. 8.7 Star Wars (1977)
12. 8.7 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
13. 8.6 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
15. 8.6 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
16. 8.6 Pulp Fiction (1994)
17. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
18. 8.6 Usual Suspects, The (1995)
19. 8.6 Memento (2000)
20. 8.6 Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966)
24. 8.5 Cidade de Deus (2002)
26. 8.5 Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, Le (2001)
28. 8.5 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
29. 8.5 Goodfellas (1990)
30. 8.4 American Beauty (1999)
34. 8.4 Matrix, The (1999)
36. 8.4 Apocalypse Now (1979)
38. 8.4 Paths of Glory (1957)
41. 8.4 Fight Club (1999)
42. 8.4 Taxi Driver (1976)
43. 8.3 Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi (2001)
46. 8.3 Boot, Das (1981)
51. 8.3 Requiem for a Dream (2000)
55. 8.3 Se7en (1995)
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
57. 8.3 Rashômon (1950)
58. 8.3 Saving Private Ryan (1998)
59. 8.2 Raging Bull (1980)
60. 8.2 Alien (1979)
61. 8.2 American History X (1998)
62. 8.2 Wizard of Oz, The (1939)
63. 8.2 Léon (1994)
67. 8.2 Manchurian Candidate, The (1962)
72. 8.2 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
73. 8.2 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
74. 8.2 Ran (1985)
75. 8.2 Clockwork Orange, A (1971)
76. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003)
82. 8.2 Jaws (1975)
85. 8.1 Braveheart (1995)
87. 8.1 Aliens (1986)
89. 8.1 Shining, The (1980)
95. 8.1 Sjunde inseglet, Det (1957)
101. 8.1 Princess Bride, The (1987)
102. 8.1 Full Metal Jacket (1987)
103. 8.1 Notorious (1946)
104. 8.1 Rebecca (1940)
107. 8.1 Yojimbo (1961)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
115. 8.0 Forrest Gump (1994)
120. 8.0 Glory (1989)
123. 8.0 Once Upon a Time in America (1984)
129. 8.0 Ben-Hur (1959)
132. 8.0 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
139. 8.0 Lost in Translation (2003)
142. 8.0 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
149. 7.9 Platoon (1986)
156. 7.9 Die Hard (1988)
162. 7.9 Spartacus (1960)
180. 7.9 Killing, The (1956)
188. 7.9 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
195. 7.8 Ikiru (1952)
196. 7.8 Being John Malkovich (1999)
201. 7.8 Terminator, The (1984)
202. 7.8 Trainspotting (1996)
212. 7.8 Whale Rider (2002)
218. 7.8 Midnight Cowboy (1969)
220. 7.8 Snatch. (2000)
221. 7.8 39 Steps, The (1935)
224. 7.8 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)
227. 7.8 X2 (2003)
233. 7.8 Planet of the Apes (1968)
234. 7.8 Die xue shuang xiong (1989)
240. 7.7 Beauty and the Beast (1991)
248. 7.7 Minority Report (2002)

I think that's 79 in all.

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1. 9.0 Godfather, The (1972)
3. 8.9 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003)
8. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002)
9. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
10. 8.7 Star Wars (1977) *
13. 8.6 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) *
16. 8.6 Pulp Fiction (1994) *
17. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) *
18. 8.6 Usual Suspects, The (1995)
25. 8.5 Psycho (1960)
28. 8.5 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
34. 8.4 Matrix, The (1999) *
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) *
60. 8.2 Alien (1979
64. 8.2 Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003) *
72. 8.2 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
73. 8.2 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
75. 8.2 Clockwork Orange, A (1971)
76. 8.2 Finding Nemo (2003)
94. 8.1 Blade Runner (1982)
100. 8.1 Mononoke-hime (1997)
101. 8.1 Princess Bride, The (1987)
102. 8.1 Full Metal Jacket (1987)
110. 8.0 Toy Story 2 (1999)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
132. 8.0 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) *
138. 8.0 Shrek (2001)
142. 8.0 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
147. 8.0 Christmas Story, A (1983) *
148. 8.0 Gone with the Wind (1939)
153. 7.9 Young Frankenstein (1974) *
156. 7.9 Die Hard (1988) *
172. 7.9 Day the Earth Stood Still, The (1951)
177. 7.9 Toy Story (1995)
192. 7.8 Exorcist, The (1973)
203. 7.8 Groundhog Day (1993)
208. 7.8 This Is Spinal Tap (1984)
220. 7.8 Snatch. (2000) *
223. 7.8 Big Lebowski, The (1998) *
224. 7.8 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998) *
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I practically own nothing. And I've seen only 26 of the 250 - mwahahahhahaha.
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1. 9.0 Godfather, The (1972)
2. 8.9 Shawshank Redemption, The (1994)
3. 8.9 Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The (2003)
6. 8.7 Schindler's List (1993)
8. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, The (2002)
9. 8.7 Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The (2001)
10. 8.7 Star Wars (1977)
11. 8.7 Citizen Kane (1941)
13. 8.6 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
16. 8.6 Pulp Fiction (1994)
17. 8.6 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
18. 8.6 Usual Suspects, The (1995)
28. 8.5 Silence of the Lambs, The (1991)
29. 8.5 Goodfellas (1990)
30. 8.4 American Beauty (1999)
34. 8.4 Matrix, The (1999)
36. 8.4 Apocalypse Now (1979)
41. 8.4 Fight Club (1999)
51. 8.3 Requiem for a Dream (2000)
53. 8.3 Bridge on the River Kwai, The (1957)
56. 8.3 Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
58. 8.3 Saving Private Ryan (1998)
60. 8.2 Alien (1979)
61. 8.2 American History X (1998)
72. 8.2 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
85. 8.1 Braveheart (1995)
86. 8.1 Metropolis (1927)
87. 8.1 Aliens (1986)
88. 8.1 Fargo (1996)
94. 8.1 Blade Runner (1982)
96. 8.1 Sixth Sense, The (1999)
101. 8.1 Princess Bride, The (1987)
102. 8.1 Full Metal Jacket (1987)
111. 8.0 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
127. 8.0 Unforgiven (1992)
132. 8.0 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
142. 8.0 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
143. 8.0 Arsenic and Old Lace (1944)
145. 8.0 Back to the Future (1985)
149. 7.9 Platoon (1986)
170. 7.9 Gladiator (2000)
173. 7.9 Magnolia (1999)
177. 7.9 Toy Story (1995)
197. 7.8 Stand by Me (1986)
199. 7.8 Twelve Monkeys (1995)
201. 7.8 Terminator, The (1984)
220. 7.8 Snatch. (2000)
223. 7.8 Big Lebowski, The (1998)
224. 7.8 Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998)
227. 7.8 X2 (2003)
230. 7.8 Untouchables, The (1987)
245. 7.7 Traffic (2000)
249. 7.7 Good Will Hunting (1997)

you know a top movie list is bad when it starts with Godfather being number 1.
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