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Old Feb 20th, 2007, 11:43 AM        osama's trail gone cold or maybe not?
Intelligence on Bin Laden whereabouts has gone 'cold': US general
Sun Feb 11, 1:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States believes Osama bin Laden is still alive, but intelligence on the Al-Qaeda mastermind has gone "cold," the former commander of US forces in Afghanistan said.

"Our working assumption is that Osama bin Laden is alive," Lieutenant General Karl Eikenberry told CNN's "Late Edition."

But asked whether he knew where bin Laden was located, Eikenberry said: "The intelligence has gone cold on Osama bin Laden."

"The search for Bin Laden will continue because this man has committed mass crimes and atrocities against the American people," he said.

"Our military will not rest until that man is found, captured or killed," said Eikenberry, who recently left his post and has been nominated for the position of deputy chairman of NATO military committee in Brussels.

Eikenberry, who was commander in Afghanistan for 21 months, declined to say whether the search for bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, had also gone cold.
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Old Feb 20th, 2007, 11:46 AM       
Qaeda camps in Pakistan to train operatives: US official
Published: Monday February 19, 2007

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Al-Qaeda is believed to have established compounds inside Pakistan to train small groups of operatives for possible attacks in the West, a US official said.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the compounds had been detected over the past year in a semi-autonomous tribal area along the mountainous border with Afghanistan.

The compounds are "not big ones. These are small," the official told AFP. "They are not like the big camps that they had seen in Afghanistan previously."

But they were being used to train groups of 10 to 20 people at a time for what were believed to be operations in the West, particularly in Western Europe, the official said.

The Pakistani ambassador to the United States, Mahmud Ali Durrani, played down the developments.

"There may be an odd place. And when we find out we take it out. We have done that recently," he said in an interview with CNN. "But saying they have reestablished themselves, and there are a lot of compounds, and they have rejuvenated. That is incorrect."

The compounds suggest that Al-Qaeda, once seen as having been reduced to a largely inspirational role in an increasingly dispersed, decentralized international jihadist movement, is rebuilding its capacity to mount international operations.

The US government is concerned about a stream of Muslims with British passports traveling between Europe and Pakistan as a source of recruits for Al-Qaeda operations, the US official said.

In the intelligence community's most recent public threat assessment, former director of national intelligence John Negroponte told Congress January 11 that Al-Qaeda's core elements continue to plot attacks against the United States and other targets.

"And they continue to maintain active connections and relationships that radiate outward from their leaders' secure hideout in Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, northern Africa and Europe," he said.

A sharp increase and timeliness of public messages by Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Al-Qaeda's number two, is among the indications that the group has reconstituted its command and control over networks of operatives, the official said.

That's part of his command and control -- how he communicates," the official said.

The New York Times, which first reported the new developments, said the compounds were operated under the loose command of groups of Arab, Pakistani and Afghan militants allied with Al-Qaeda.

According to the Times, with cited US analysts, they receive guidance from their commanders and Zawahri. Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared to have little direct involvement, the Times said.

The concerns over Al-Qaeda's resurgence coincides with a major comeback by the Taliban, which has used safe havens in the border areas to mount its bloodiest offensive in five years in Afghanistan last year.

The US official said that the Al-Qaeda developments were separate from and not to be confused with the Taliban's activities in Afghanistan.

But the Taliban threat to Afghanistan has refocused US attention on weak Pakistani controls over its tribal areas along the border, and a recent peace deal with tribal leaders in North Waziristan that US military officials say was followed by a sharp increase in cross-border attacks.

The Times said intense debate within the administration failed to resolve a dilemma over what to do.

Some in the Pentagon advocate air strikes on the camps and while others in the State Department worry that too much pressure will undermine the government of President Pervez Musharraf.

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates traveled to Islamabad last week to discuss the situation on the border with Musharraf, and how they could work together to deal a setback to both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda next spring.
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Pakistan dismisses "absurd" Qaeda report
Published: Tuesday February 20, 2007

Pakistan has dismissed as "absurd" US claims that Al-Qaeda has established compounds in a remote tribal area to train small groups of operatives for possible attacks on the West.

A US official who spoke on condition of anonymity had said that compounds training 10 or 20 people at a time had been detected over the past year in a semi-autonomous tribal area along the mountainous border with Afghanistan.

The compounds are "not big ones. These are small," the US official told AFP. "They are not like the big camps that they had seen in Afghanistan previously."

But Pakistan foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam angrily rejected the allegations, the latest in a series to trouble Washington's relations with its key ally in the "war on terror."

"This is an absurd report and we dismiss it," Aslam told AFP.

Pakistan was committed to fighting terrorism and more than 700 of its troops had been killed fighting Al-Qaeda-linked militants who fled the demise of Afghanistan's Taliban regime in 2001, Aslam said.

Pakistan had 80,000 troops and 1,000 military posts on the border and was "taking further steps to control the border starting with selective fencing" of around 35 kilometres (20 miles) of the frontier.

"No one should have any doubts about our commitment and will to fight terrorism and extremism," Aslam said.

The US official's comments came in the wake of a New York Times report which said that the compounds were under the loose command of groups of Arab, Pakistani and Afghan militants allied with Al-Qaeda.

Pakistan military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said that the report deserved no response, as the government had answered similar questions during a media trip to the North Waziristan tribal area at the weekend.

"You are bombarding us with the same question again and again and we have given our point of view," Sultan said.

The Pakistani ambassador to the United States, Mahmud Ali Durrani, had earlier played down the US claims.

"There may be an odd place. And when we find out we take it out. We have done that recently," he said in an interview with CNN.

"But saying they have re-established themselves and there are a lot of compounds and they have rejuvenated -- that is incorrect."

In September Pakistan signed a peace deal with militants in North Waziristan, prompting suspicions from Kabul and the commanders of international forces battling the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has strongly defended the agreement, saying it has helped curtail infiltration across the porous frontier into Afghanistan. The insurgency in Afghanistan killed 4,000 people last year.
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Old Feb 20th, 2007, 01:53 PM       
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Old Feb 20th, 2007, 03:46 PM       
I thought al Queda didn't exist?
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Old Feb 20th, 2007, 04:34 PM       
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How the hell do I know? I only posted the first artcile for comedic purposes to show that war on terror is full of contradictions.

I can only assume that if the us anonymous tipster was bullshitting about the build up of al qaeda base in pakistan as an excuse to threaten to strike the country, it definitely has to do something with the pakistan and iran pipeline deal closure in which the us strongly opposes.

What do you think? News or propaganda?
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Old Feb 20th, 2007, 05:34 PM       
I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that Usama bin Laden is actually in Pakistan. I don't think there's any doubt. The reason the trail has gone "cold" has to do with not pursuinng him into Pakistan. It's a tricky situation because we're not really in a position to cause a stir by sending U.S. troops into Pakistan to get him, but it's abundantly clear that the Paki govt doesn't intend to get him themselves. Further, it's highly likely that bin Laden has been able to stay in Pakistan with the support of the ISI, which he's had for well over a decade.

Musharaf can't control the ISI, and he knows if he tries to reign them in it will be the end of him. So he's content to let things stand as they are. So the U.S. must either decide to not pursue bin Laden in Pakistan as it has done for the last several years, or create a serious riff by invading Pakistan.
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