Dec 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM
stoicism is strength
In every society, at its height, the people were not slaves to their desires but rather practiced great discipline. If you look to Rome you will even see the various pagan Pontifexes opposing the ancient stories of the gods who fornicated and got drunk -- there were particularly outspoken characters like Varro that divided the gods into three categories: the poetic gods which were fornicators and wicked, denying the truth of the stories, the philosophical gods which were the true ones that ought be worshipped (this even became a virtually monotheistic form as all philosophical aspects of polytheist religion tend towards one god being the creator and all others mere manifestations or creatures subject to them, Hindus even drifting to this idea), and the stately gods which were the gods presented to the simple, dumb people who could not understand the philosophical gods and rather had them introduced as heroic figures minus the indulgences the poets attributed to them.
It is a fact that the later Pontifexes of Rome even opposed having plays about the gods as they always portrayed the gods as overly human.
In Rome, religion served the purpose of setting examples of behavior just as Christianity, Islam in other societies. and the lessons were virtually the same:
Sacrifice for the greater good, moral harmony, brevity, abstaining from sexual indulgences and chemical dependence.
These were the societies that erected the monuments to greatness; these were the societies that connected the world and made superb innovations to the benefit of the people.
It is only when people forget the hard, stoic values that they begin to slip -- historically, it is seen the societies which practice loose moral relativity and general indulgence fall from grace quickly.
Atheist historian Will Durant made such an observation that both Greek and Roman downfalls followed these exact moral indulgences in the decline:
- Smaller family size
- Practice of abortion
- Practice of loose sexual morals (increased adultery, orgitariums, etc.)
- Condemnation of the state
- Increased immigration which watered down the original populace, immigrants loyal to other causes that wouldn't fight causing a dependency on mercenaries.
St. Augustine even wrote extensively of how the old pagan morals of the Romans were superb and excellent and truly the spirit of Christian morality, and the fall of Rome correlates with the advent of the new religion to replace the Pagan morals.
To make this short and sweet:
We need to revitalize stoic moral outlooks based off of abstaining from indulgence and focusing on greater struggles; we need to revitalize the ideas that make society great. Ideas about duty, loyalty, family and fight sexual and chemical indulgence.
We need a Kulturkampf and religion does not need to really be a party of it. In our Kulturkampf we fight only to create a set of principles that our society can center themselves around, morals that are Universal and proper.
Something like:
- I will not live for my stomach.
- I will not live for my genitals.
- I will not compromise my family, friends or nation.
- I will serve my country and pay my dues.
- I will follow my will to its end.
I think the important thing is that we remember the guidelines of success and civilization, remember the glory of past societies that rose to great heights.
Let's work together to build ourselves back up and lets take a stand against indulgence in the name of Society and Spirituality.
I think it does not matter who you worship or even if you worship as long as you hold onto the center of greatness and follow the high ideals and the high road. That is what is important for the failing nations, to remember glory and uphold obligations.
I think that in honor of this we should brand ourselves as new soldiers of a Roman Legion, a Legion made up of people of all faiths but with the clear goal of building again a strong Republic based on firm law and firm loyalty and firm families.
Society is built by values and destroyed when the values lose their meaning, lose their relevance.
We must stand with certainty and resolution. When we no longer stand like this then we fail.
So you should take these principles and tell them to people and tell them to stand strong and act righteously as they can because that is what we do when we are great. It is when we are weak that we are uncertain and decadent.
Go and live and prosper and when you see wrong you should correct it.
Wage the Kulturkampf and defeat the hippies and moral relativists; cut the fat off the modern society of decadence. Defeat the Leftists who want a nanny state.
SPQR.
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