Fat Kids........

[Chojin]

They don't always pass through the bowels, most of the time they get absorbed and stored in fat deposits.

source? because that's stupid.

I think the first part of your statement is somewhat contradictory. If there are "limits" then you can't eat all you want...right?

it's not contradictory. "you can eat all you want within limits." it's maybe slightly redundant? why cannot you english

Food additive free diets are proven to produce quick results in the health of a regular individual no matter the age.

health? yes. fat? no.

MSG is injected into laboratory rats to induce obesity. It also has been shown to increase appetite in male rats and to induce obesity in female rats and chickens. Scientists in Spain have recently concluded that MSG when given to mice increase appetite by as much as 40%.

msg is actually pretty natural (no less natural than table sugar, anyway). it's contained naturally in beets and seaweed, among other things. but why bring up msg? we were talking about trans fats.

High fructose corn syrup is not sugar. Its a synthetic based sweetner which are grown from genetically modified corn. The phrase "High Fructose" in HFCS indicates that it has a higher fructose level.

Fructose itself is a sugar contained in fruits. I understand that HFCS is different and wasn't confusing fructose with HFCS. That said, I don't understand what sort of distinction you're attempting to make here--sucrose is a sweetener, fructose is a sweetener, and HFCS is a sweetener. By pretty much even the strictest definition, HFCS is also a sugar, and appears on nutritional labels that way.

This higher level of fructose puts a lot of pressure on the body. There is a difference between sugar and sweetners and they have very different effects on the people who use them.

Maybe? But all sugars (or "sweeteners" if you insist on defining them differently even though they're not) have the same effects on blood sugar and insulin levels, which is the point I was making in the first place.

Then we can also agree that this synthetic form of sweetner has a different chemical make up than normal sugar. Which would then lead us to believe that synthetic forms of food and food additives are the most likely culprit to obesity.

uh, why? for one thing, fructose has a different chemical compound than sucrose and both are very natural. for another, sugars are a nonessential nutrient. are you implying that someone cannot VERY VERY EASILY get fat without sugar and/or synthetic foods?

[kahljorn]

Thank you for pointing that out. I'll just stick with having shit breath.

That would be your solution to a problem.

Sodium fluoride is used in fluoridation of water, and is present in such low doses so the beneficial effects (reduction of tooth decay) far outweigh any potential health effects (fluorosis, digestive issues)..

omg sorta like how with calcium you can take it to increase your bone density BUT you can also get gout from it if your levels are too high. Calcium's totally a poison! Actually from what I've read Fluoride isn't classified as a poison its classified as toxic, which by the way basically everything on the planet is toxic in high enough dosages.

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by Grislygus

I WAS ABOVE THAT, OF COURSE. I WAS OF AN ADVANCED TECHNIQUE. IF YOU QUIETLY OPENED THEIR BACKPACKS IN CLASS YOU COULD STEAL THEIR TREATS AND SWITCH THEM WITH A SMALL ZIPLOC BAG WITH CARROTS AND CELERY IN IT. YOU UNLOADED PART OF THE CRAPPY LUNCH THAT YOUR RESPONSIBLE PARENT GAVE YOU AND YOU MADE THE FAT KID WANT TO CRY BECAUSE THEIR MOM WASN'T GIVING THEM NICE THINGS ANY MORE.

THEN AT LUNCHTIME YOU WOULD MAKE SAY THAT THEIR MOM GAVE THEM CARROTS BECAUSE THEY WERE FAT WHILE YOU ATE THEIR CUPCAKE AND CHIPS

Goddamn that is advanced. The simple smash the fat kid's sugary treat was as advanced as we got when I was a lad

[Zhukov]

There was only two fat kids in my school. One was short and fat; almost wider than he was tall, and the other was seriously obese. The short one didn't get any crap because his mother and father gave him pornography to share.

After school finished a lot of people I knew went on to get fat though. Girls that used to be so aloof because they knew they were HOT SHIT are now NOT ALL THAT because they are fat and stupid.

[Dimnos]

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Chojin

source? because that's stupid.

Tadao said we aren't allowed to post articles anymore. Have to take it up with him. I'm sure if you search engine "Food additives / Chemicals absorbed through ingestion" you will find a tons of literature on it.

Originally Posted by Chojin

it's not contradictory. "you can eat all you want within limits." it's maybe slightly redundant? why cannot you english

"Within Limits" and "All you can eat" are contradictory.

Originally Posted by Chojin

health? yes. fat? no.

Wouldn't they be one in the same? Yes, the Human body needs fat supplies to survive but if one is over weight due to the amount of toxic chemicals, preservative, and additive in the food they eat (I'm not even going to mention GMO) wouldn't that make them unhealthy?

Originally Posted by Chojin

msg is actually pretty natural (no less natural than table sugar, anyway). it's contained naturally in beets and seaweed, among other things. but why bring up msg? we were talking about trans fats.

I've never came across someone who actually defended MSG. Its a well known excitotoxin. Remember back in the day when all the Chinese Food restaurants had signs on their places that said "NO MSG here"? And food makers use the synthetic form of MSG. Dr. Russel Blaylock has some good videos up on Youtube about the effects of MSG, obesity, and neurological disorders because of it.

Originally Posted by Chojin

, HFCS is also a sugar, and appears on nutritional labels that way.

HFCS are not regular sugar. They are synthetic and the fructose levels are higher. Regular organic cane sugar has 50 Fructose / 50 Glucose. The body can't handle the high amount of fructose from HFCS and it literally rots out the pancreas while also making the individual put on masses amounts of weight.

Now add some food additives like MSG and you an Obesity epidemic.

Originally Posted by Chojin

Maybe? But all sugars (or "sweeteners" if you insist on defining them differently even though they're not) have the same effects on blood sugar and insulin levels, which is the point I was making in the first place.

I think my above response counters your argument.

"Historically, we never consumed much sugar," said Barry Popkin of the University of North Carolina, and a health policy adviser for the U.S. government. "We're not built to process it."

And this quote is from the original article at the beginning of the thread. The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

[Dimnos]

We were built to process sugar.

[The Leader]

I heard that we do need to intake sugar and the reason we have such a voracious craving for it is because it is normally so scarce in a human's diet. The problem is that now we have ready access to it and put it in everything our bodies cannot handle the amount we're getting so we get the diabetes and other such complications which were relatively unheard of even a hundred years ago.

[Evil Robot]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

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[TheCoolinator]

ahhh, fuck it.



MOMMA TELL ME I'm SUPER HERO!

[RaNkeri]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

You shouldn't believe everything you read, nor take it literally. One proof of the fact that human GI tract is build to process sugars are the various glucosidases we have.

We aren't built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives etc., they are built to mimic the ingredients that we can process.

Also, please read this:

Originally Posted by The Leader

I heard that we do need to intake sugar and the reason we have such a voracious craving for it is because it is normally so scarce in a human's diet. The problem is that now we have ready access to it and put it in everything our bodies cannot handle the amount we're getting so we get the diabetes and other such complications which were relatively unheard of even a hundred years ago.

[Esuohlim]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

More personal questions?

Well it's just that alcohol is considered a toxin that the human body does not need to function so I'm just wondering what your opinion is on it

[Fathom Zero]

Can't it do shit like aid in digestion or something?

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by RaNkeri

You shouldn't believe everything you read, nor take it literally. One proof of the fact that human GI tract is build to process sugars are the various glucosidases we have.

We aren't built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives etc., they are built to mimic the ingredients that we can process.

Listen to RannyK - he knows all about sugar.

Speaking of "doctorin'" - how's med school? You are still in med school, right?

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Tadao said we aren't allowed to post articles anymore. Have to take it up with him. I'm sure if you search engine "Food additives / Chemicals absorbed through ingestion" you will find a tons of literature on it.

You're allowed to post links to support an argument. You aren't allowed to post only links in lieu of making an argument.

But if I understand what you're saying, it's that harmful stuff likes to live in fat. Okay? It doesn't increase fat, though.

"Within Limits" and "All you can eat" are contradictory.

"Within limits" is a disclaimer, without which my statement could have meant that I thought someone could chug 10 pounds of pure cholesterol and be a-ok. "All you can eat" refers to the normal or even most excessive amounts of a food that someone would eat. Do you give similar shit to people who run buffets? OH HO HO IT IS NOT ALL I CAN EAT IF YOU KICK ME OUT AFTER I STAY HERE FOR 16 HOURS AND TRY TO SLEEP IN THE BOOTH, I WAS NOT DONE

Wouldn't they be one in the same? Yes, the Human body needs fat supplies to survive but if one is over weight due to the amount of toxic chemicals, preservative, and additive in the food they eat (I'm not even going to mention GMO) wouldn't that make them unhealthy?

No. Fat is not always equatable to poor health. Your body needs a certain percentage of bodyfat, and that requirement actually goes up the more active you are. Cyanide is also pretty unhealthy but isn't linked to obesity. Not all fat is unhealthy and not all unhealthy crap is fattening. Kinda obvious.

I've never came across someone who actually defended MSG. Its a well known excitotoxin. Remember back in the day when all the Chinese Food restaurants had signs on their places that said "NO MSG here"? And food makers use the synthetic form of MSG. Dr. Russel Blaylock has some good videos up on Youtube about the effects of MSG, obesity, and neurological disorders because of it.

I didn't defend MSG, I just said that it's pretty natural as additives go. Your argument was originally that synthetics were unhealthy and therefore fattening. MSG isn't really a synthetic.

I've noticed, though, that you're more than willing to divorce yourself from whatever point you're making to attack whatever you perceive to be the weakest part of my point.

Why? I'm not setting you straight on nutrition because I love internet combat, I'm doing it because there's a lot of stupid misinformation out there and your perception was especially stupid. I felt that I must stop you before someone listens, and maybe you could learn something in the process and not misinform people in real life who likely don't know any better.

HFCS are not regular sugar. They are synthetic and the fructose levels are higher. Regular organic cane sugar has 50 Fructose / 50 Glucose. The body can't handle the high amount of fructose from HFCS and it literally rots out the pancreas while also making the individual put on masses amounts of weight.

Everything but the last sentence: Who cares?
The last sentence: why would it make someone 'put on masses amounts of weight' any more than any other sweetener?

Now add some food additives like MSG and you an Obesity epidemic.

How? HFCS is no more to blame for fatness than any other kind of sugar (replace your mountain dew habit with "mountain dew throwback" and let me know how much weight you lose), and MSG doesn't make people fat. HFCS and MSG may be unhealthy, but as we've already established, poisons are not necessarily fattening. They aren't even usually fattening.

And this quote is from the original article at the beginning of the thread. The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

Because synthetics are simply non-organic breakdowns of whole sources. Your body organically breaks down the same sources into usable compounds that share 99.9999% of the same characteristics. You might as well ask why we can perceive fluorescent light.

[Tadao]

For the record, I suggested that if someone requests a source, you are more than welcome to post it.

[Chojin]

And while we're at it, I really hate the concept that gaining or losing fat involves evil voodoo magic or mad science. Most people seem to have this perception, and it's stupid.

It is actually tremendously simple. Insultingly simple, even.

1 pound of fat = 3500 calories. To lose 1 pound of fat, burn 3500 calories.

Just sitting on your ass, your body burns approximately 2200 kcal/day if you're male and 1800 kcal/day if you're female. This is also assuming that you're only fat and not GOD DAMN fat. At the simplest explanation, if you eat 500 kcal under that every day, you will lose a pound of fat every week (500 x 7 = 3500).

So how do people get fat? THEY EAT OVER THAT AMOUNT. OHGOD

This happens for a variety of reasons, most of which involve people not understanding how many calories are in things that they eat. A big serving of lean chicken breast has a hilariously low amount of calories; like, 300. A big mac has about 600 calories (yes, if you're a male you could eat 3 big macs a day and lose weight, provided you ate nothing else). Side orders and sugared drinks (soda and juice, especially) are a very common source of extra calories.

As an aside, diet sodas are not only FUCKING FINE, they can actually help you burn fat a little bit faster. This is because most people drink soda very cold (colder than they drink their water, anyway), and your body expends energy to maintain its heat when drinking ice-cold beverages (about 120kcal/day if you drink a metric dickload of diet soda).

So, to relate this to the OP, America's obesity problem is mostly due to the American diet involving meals that have a lot of calories. Our meals are often larger than they need to be, and are bundled with sides and sugary drinks. Fries, chips, and cokes have a retarded amount of calories in them. Your average 20 oz. coke has 240 calories in it. If you were eating at maintenance and drinking 3 of those a day, you would lose 1.5 pounds of fat a week by doing nothing but switching to diet coke.

[Tadao]

I have the bad habit of not eating all day and then destroying the refrigerator at night.

I don't understand why this makes me gain weight.

[Chojin]

Originally Posted by Tadao

I have the bad habit of not eating all day and then destroying the refrigerator at night.

I don't understand why this makes me gain weight.

I know you're being a silly billy, but:

Because your metabolism slows down from not eating all day, lowering the amount of calories your body naturally burns to maintain itself.

[Tadao]

Also I drink too much booze during the day, further slowing my metabolism.

[Chojin]

Alcohol itself also contains 7kcal/gram (before you flavor it or do fucking anything), making it worse than carbs (sodas) and slightly better than fat.

I love Sake to death, but a bottle of that shit has like 900 calories in it.

[Tadao]

A few months ago when I was really concerned about my rapped weight gain, I looked at my Vodka and said, Naw that can't have too many calories, then I googled it. Fucking hell. I was drinking about 10 shots a day easily.

[Chojin]

Yeah, it isn't fair. But luckily, smoking and harder drugs are a-ok where fat is concerned.

[Grislygus]

YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME, I'M THE WHISKEY GUY

IF I DRINK ENOUGH TO GET DRUNK I'LL HAVE CONSUMED THE LIQUID CALORIE EQUIVALENT OF SEVEN BIG MACS

[Grislygus]

The moral of the story is that I can't afford to get completely shitfaced unless I'm drinking Pearl Lights