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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 06:17 AM        Editorials - Turn Your Brain Off
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 07:00 AM       
..Can't turn brain on.

Great article Boogie..sadly so true.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 07:07 AM       
In general I hate this sort of entertainment. I'd honestly rather watch no movie than a stupid one. However, I must admit that I have a soft spot for bad 80s horror movies, and the splendor of Jason Voorhees and friends can best be enjoyed with you frontal lobes deactivated.

There's a big difference between "So dumb it's funny" and "So dumb it makes me dumb too."
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 08:13 AM       
Good to see that there are still people left with brains that are "on". I hate all this 5th rate pseudo-entertainment. Not only is it bad, itīs also boring as hell.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 10:36 AM       
I don't want to rehash and old gripe here, but am I the only person who liked the new Indiana Jones. Yes, he did survive a nuclear blast in a fridge, but this is the same man who jumped out of an airplane in an inflatable raft and slid down a mountain and survived unscathed. I don't remember anyone saying when I was a kid, "oh that was so dumb that guy pulled a beating heart out of his chest". NO! everyone said holy shit did you see that, thats fucking scary. I'm not saying turn your brain off, I'm just saying don't think so hard about.

As far as show like The Hills, OC, Real World (except the Puck season), 90210, etc. are just crimes against humanity.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 12:12 PM       
I was amazed how many of my peers during my high school years used to be so excited about shows like Friends and you average teenage show. They pretended to live their lives with the same drama as all that shit and it was really pathetic to watch such a moronic attitude. And to think all of those were the supposed "elite" of the school. Unfortunately, popular girls and jocks are expected to behave that way.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 02:03 PM       
I quit watching TV 11 years ago and have never looked back.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 02:28 PM       
Pretty much in agreement here. I can't help but think that whenever some big action movie comes out and one needs to 'turn your brain off' to enjoy it (looking at you, Michael Bay), it's just a lame excuse because they were too lazy or incompetent to make a movie that's enjoyable and (at least somewhat) smart at the same time.

Movies so dumb that they're unintentionally hilarious, though, I'm all for. Just so much pleasure to be gotten out of movies like Twilight (usually they're funnier than all those sitcoms you need to shut your brain off for in the first place).
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 03:14 PM       
AMEN!

I'm sick of being told to "turn my brain off" to enjoy some boring Hollywood trash. Since when is watching intelligent entertainment "work" anyway? You oughta bitch-slap that brother of yours, Boogie.

Though, there is nothing wrong with a "so bad it's funny" movie. And, I might see "Mall Cop" to see if it's at least funny.

To Icculus:
I liked Indy 4, too. It wasn't any more ridiculous than any other Indy movie.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 05:40 PM       
...but what if i find almost EVERYTHING unintentionally hillarious? what then i ask you?

...everything except the cat that was miaowing outside my window all night that is...


...DAMN YOU I HAVE NO FOOD FOR YOU!
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 09:19 PM       
greenimp: You might need to put some poisoned food and wait for the cat to fall into its misery. I'm all for cats, but I just can't tolerate when they spend all night being lousy.
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Old Jan 14th, 2009, 10:36 PM       
thank you, thank you, thank you. I hate Dane Cook especially.
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 01:01 AM       
DANE COOK SUCKS
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 01:30 AM       
Indeed he does!
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 02:04 AM       
In a world where the best selling teen series is about "pretty little rich girls with no consequences" (Gossip Girl, It Girl, Clique) and we have to endure crap like the OC and The Hills on TV it really makes you think how much *dumber* the world is getting. Seriously. Or the fact that the sheep have to rush out and buy the newest Oprah book for the soul reason being "It was on Oprah!" You can't tell me what it's about, you can't tell me the title, but you can tell me "It was on Oprah yesterday!" Yeah, that tells me how much you got out of that program. *shakes head* I like stupid humor, but only to an extent. Meet the Spartans? Funny! Yes, it had stupid humor in it, but they knew when to end the joke so you didn't have to "work" on laughing at it after 10 minutes. Things that are just one long "dick and fart joke" after another, not so much, and I can handle that kind of humor. To an extent. If it gets to the point where I'm laughing *at* the movie instead of laughing *because* of the movie, there's something wrong. I read "Vampire Smut" as my boss had dubbed it, but it's not "Swoon swoon woe is me, take me to bed tall dark fanged stranger." It's got humor, action, and some fan your face moments. I'm not 'switching off' to read it because the characters are well developed enough to make me *care* about them. They're not cookie cutter stereotypes of the ideal that we're supposed to portray. I'd rather give one of *those* to someone looking for a good read for their daughter than a copy of Gossip Girl.

I think part of the problem is, we settle, and that lowers the standards. They keep making the shows like that because people settle for them. They let their brains be turned off when they shouldn't even be watching it in the first place. In theory, the only way to stop the crap is to stand against the crap, but like I said, it's just a theory.

And...going to stop babbling now. I'll end with two thoughts:
1. I absolutely positively *refuse* to watch the new Transformers movie. My reason: It's not historically accuate, heh.
2. In the immortal words of Bowling for Soup: When did reality become T.V.? What ever happened to sitcoms, game shows, (on the radio) Springsteen, Madonna, way before Nirvana, there was U2 and Blondie and music still on MTV!
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 02:28 AM       
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Meet the Spartans? Funny!
you are going to have a lot of trouble getting people to relate to what you are saying if you say shit like this
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Old Jan 16th, 2009, 01:48 AM       
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you are going to have a lot of trouble getting people to relate to what you are saying if you say shit like this
Removing those two lines from the rest of the context around them does not immediately nullify everything else in the rest of the post, especially since I preceeded them with how I like stupid humor "to an extent." I'm not claiming the stuff is Oscar worthy and should be the basis for all movies yet to come. No, I think it's funny because he kicks the American Idol judges panel into the Pit of Death because I *hate* American Idol. It's not a moment where I need to "switch off" to enjoy it because I'm thinking the exact same thing. It's short and to the point. The joke is done, they move on to the next one. It's not carried on for half-an-hour and then come back to later in the movie, nor is it the basis of the whole movie and yet there's stuff out there were one running gag is all that seems to carry what passes for a plot.

And, to Dr. Boogie: Well said about Indy and the suspension of disbelief. I think it was you or Proto that said it: In that one scene, the Indy as Everyman was shattered. If he could survive that, then anything they threw at him later would be a cakewalk. Granted some of the earlier stuff required suspension of disbelief, too, but, as you pointed out, there was still some part of it that made sense. There has to be some small amount of believability for the illusion to seem real, otherwise you fail in your attempt at fooling the viewer.

And I still refuse to watch Transformers, awesome giant robots aside. There's just certain things that don't set well with me which will make the movie ultimately not enjoyable.
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 02:44 AM       
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The problem was in the details of the film. Details such as the script. Also, Shia Lebeouf was present.
Hahah... great article.
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 04:27 AM       
I like these types of films simply because they are a quick and easy way to determine the intelligence level of the people around you. The Kevin James movie, for example. For someone ot be looking forward to it a few things must be assumed. Firstly said people must have found the King of Queens sitcom funny. I don't really have a response to that it is someone along the lines of finding George W. Bush a good president, but there you go. Also said person must have found the previews funny. This also astonds me as I can see points in the preview in which a joke was supposed to be, but was instead replaced by a fat man that can't control a seg-way.

One thing I disagree on though is the blatent hate over the transformers movie and the new indy movie. While I'll agree that they aren't up to par with previous attempts, you need to understand that the source material isn't THAT great to begin with. Go back and watch the original transformers cartoon... go ahead, I'll wait. Now go back and watch the Indiana jones movies... not the good ones, the bad ones. (I'll leave it up to you and decide which is which.) The new ones aren't that far off from the source material.

See the thing is your mind is playing tricks with you. Over the years you have evolved and demand a more sophistiacted film than when you were younger, your belived franchises, however haven't. When they do these "re-boots" they have to dumb down the level of comprehension back to the original source material, in other words you have to be able to understand what is going on even if you've never heard of a transformer, or never seen indy crack a whip.

I honestly think remakes are directly responsible for all of this "stupid cinema". Personally, I think it is the viewers responsibility to do their research before watching a film. Never seen Star Trek? Well maybe a star trek film isn't for you as you'd have to have been in a cave never to have seen the second longest running sci-fi franchise of all time. Producers and directors who wish to get people, that after 30+ years STILL haven't experienced star trek to watch a new film by "rebooting" the franchise is equally foolish.

Reboots happen because talented, but often short-sighted directors write themselves into corners. Maybe, just maybe when tim burton decided to kill-off the most famous villian in batman's history in his first film somebody should have taken him to the side and told him that in comic books the villians NEVER die unless they are supernatural and there is a way to resurrect them. If they had then we wouldn't have to suffer through this craptacular new film franchise in which batman drives a tank, has a guy that sounds like he should work for mary poppins as a butler, and sounds like he ate gravel and steroids for breakfast just because he dons a rubber suit!

So I think the dumbing down of media has a lot more to do with all the ideas already been taken than society being stupider. Perhaps peope are so starved for new media that they are willing to watch a sub-par form of entertainment so long as it is something new.
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 07:47 PM       
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Now go back and watch the Indiana jones movies... not the good ones, the bad ones.
How many movies do you think a trilogy consists of, exactly?
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 08:46 PM       
What follows is an exceedingly long post about Indiana Jones, and a little about Transformers:

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One thing I disagree on though is the blatent hate over the transformers movie and the new indy movie. While I'll agree that they aren't up to par with previous attempts, you need to understand that the source material isn't THAT great to begin with. Go back and watch the original transformers cartoon... go ahead, I'll wait. Now go back and watch the Indiana jones movies... not the good ones, the bad ones. (I'll leave it up to you and decide which is which.) The new ones aren't that far off from the source material.
The Transformers series wasn't exactly the pinnacle of artistic achievement, that is true. But what I said in the article is that Transformers: The Movie is a bad movie. The dialogue was terrible, the film focused on a bunch of uninteresting human characters, that sort of thing. That the movie was about robots that turn into common objects wasn't the problem. People hated the non-Transformers part of the Transformers movie.

For Indiana Jones, I'm not sure which ones are the bad ones in your mind, but for your last comment about the new one being not that different than the old ones, the new one is different enough that people don't like it.

Icculus said earlier that unbelievable things happened in the earlier movies, like Indiana Jones using a raft as a parachute. The difference between something like that and the fridge nuking part is that you could imagine a big raft being somewhat useful as a parachute because when flipped upside down, you could see how something that big might potentially work to slow his fall enough that he could survive it. Suspension of disbelief then kicks in for how he slid down the mountain without injury.

Now consider the fridge scene from the new movie: Indiana realizes he's at a nuclear test site, so he climbs in a refrigerator. The camera then pans to show you that the fridge is "lead-lined". Suspension of disbelief might let you believe that the lead lining in a refrigerator might protect Indy from the radiation, and you might further believe that Indy could survive being hurled miles across the desert in said fridge without breaking any bones (after all, the man slid down a mountain on an inflatable raft and was fine). However, it takes more than a stretching of one's imagination to believe that a couple lead panels could protect the fridge from pressure greater than half a million tons of dynamite, and temperatures hotter than the surface of the sun.

Then you've got scenes like the one of Mutt learning from monkeys how to swing on vines to get through the jungle in a hurry. The entire idea is just silly, and it looks incredibly fake thanks to all the CG. Things like that make it seem as though the movie was made for 8-year-olds, rather than fans of the series.

Also, Icculus mentioned Mola Ram removing a guy's heart as being another weird thing. The reason we let things like that, and the Ark of the Covenant melting faces, go by is because Indiana Jones dealing with the occult has always been present in the series. By comparison, the new film had him dealing with aliens, and as we learned from Stargate, aliens are sci fi even when they interact with ancient civilizations. The things that happen with these aliens maybe similar to occult phenomenon, but it's different enough to seem out of place to those familiar with the previous movies in the series.

And all that is to say nothing about the flip-flopping magnetism of the titular skull.
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 05:02 AM       
Now im just curious.

What university did you attend?
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 08:47 AM       
I think HowardC should explain further...
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Old Jan 15th, 2009, 08:48 AM       
Oh yeah and - Good article Boogie. Right on the money.
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Personally I have to say that movies Like the latest Indiana Jones are just more proof that the gene pool needs chlorine.
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