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Old Feb 13th, 2003, 11:03 AM       
Your right about N. Korea, they probably arent much of a threat in a practical sense. I was simply trying to breakdown one of the key arguments of the warmongers. If your going to chase after Iraq, and your not even sure what they have, you have to chase down N. Korea too.

By raising a stink about one dictator, and doing nothing about the other, in my view, the Bush administration has shown that they do not have the moral justification for this war, and are only in it "for the oil".

They say that N. Korea is better dealt with by diplomacy. I think thats great. But there has been absolutely no energy displayed by the bush administration in dealing with N. korea. G.W. bitches and cries and screams and throws temper tantrums about killing saddam NOW, but hasnt adressed N. Korea with any more than a passing interest. His motives are written all over his actions, and I dont agree with those motive.

Iraq should be very near the mottom of the list right now when it comes to major threats, and that in my opinion makes invading their country a low priority as well.

Convince N. Korea to cool it, then maybe it will be time for Iraq.

Then again, maybe that whole terrorist thingy might be a higher priority than Iraq too.


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Old Feb 13th, 2003, 11:03 AM        DU rounds
Not for the squeemish.......

http://www.ecoglobe.org.nz/nuclear/dupict00.htm

Not taking a side in this discussion, just posting a link that was sent to me for the sake of this discussion.
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Old Feb 13th, 2003, 12:00 PM       
Max,

Please go to the Multinational Monitor online and post your opinion of it's contents.
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Old Feb 13th, 2003, 12:00 PM       
this is happening to our own soldiers that fought for gw1 ..
aka gulfwar syndrome.. its not just iraqis suffering from depleted uranium. the vets that are getting health coverage are the ones not saying anything about du or gulfwar syndrome .. if the vet has health care problems that he calls Depleted Uranium effects or Gulfwar syndrome he will be refused health coverage
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Old Feb 13th, 2003, 12:03 PM       
There is no suffering due to uranium deposits.....

.....look! there's a black helicopter!!!!
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Old Feb 13th, 2003, 01:51 PM       
I read the front page. It certainly has an angle, but the material was largely factual. I storngly dislike there use of the words "Mere" and "Uninspired" as they are uneccesarily loaded words, and inspiration is subjective in nature.

Those mistake were enough that I wouldn't source it myself, and would make the effort to coroborate any factual material presented.

I will point out that what I objected to about those two words can be found in almost any paragraph in newsmax article, but it's the same sort of thing.
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Old Feb 14th, 2003, 01:55 PM       
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Old Feb 17th, 2003, 02:45 PM       
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FUCK THE WORLD, LET'S BLOW UP EVERYBODY!! USA!! USA!!! USA!!
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Old Feb 17th, 2003, 04:09 PM       
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Old Feb 17th, 2003, 05:08 PM       
Man, I was gonna blame Bush for this Fiasco, but now I blame you bastards. COUNTING DOWN!! That is SO irresponsible.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 02:29 PM       
Donald "Rummy" Rumsfeld states that the use of 'human shields' is war crime and warns Iraq if they use them we will bomb them even harder. He goes on to decalre westerners volunterally in Iraq to be Human Shields, thus paving the way to declare all civilian cassualities in Iraq Human Shields, making them

A.) not our fault

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B.) Giving dead innocents a far more media friendly name than 'collateral damage'.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 02:47 PM       
yep saw that. what a crock of shit
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 02:49 PM       
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 02:55 PM       
Cool Moonless nights in Iraq early in March.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 03:06 PM       
So I wonder what body double gets capped in the head while Saddomy is living it up in Tahiti?

Poor guys dead body is going to be paraded in front of the world
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 03:42 PM       
Ask the CIA.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 04:56 PM       
Let's hope some sneaky press photographer gets a chance to snap-shot one of "our" human shield-guys seconds before a bomb lands directly on his head.

Sort of like the student standing up to the tank in Japan.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 11:28 PM       
saturday baby!!!! i am going to bet saturday!!!!!!!!!!

my nephew is on the frontlines of this, literally

i wish them victory.
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Old Feb 20th, 2003, 11:36 PM        You know.....
It's all about the weather. There is a very limited window of decent weather in the region. By May, it will be 100+ and no one wants to be in chem gear running around the desert killing iraqi civilians. It's not much of a stretch to assume that it will happen in the next week or two.
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Old Feb 25th, 2003, 05:14 PM       
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2796109.stm

Missing US men 'prisoners of war'

Left-wing rebels in Colombia say three US citizens they are holding hostage are prisoners of war and will only be freed in return for the release of several fellow militants.

In a statement released on Monday, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) demanded a demilitarised zone from the government.

"The three gringo prisoners of war in the custody of our organisation will be liberated along with other Colombian prisoners of war once an exchange materialises in a large demilitarised zone," the statement said.

The group also demanded the release of militants held in Colombian militants.

FARC accuses the three men of being CIA agents.

Washington has denied the men were CIA agents, and said they were contractors for the defence department.

However, the US has not identified the men nor stated what mission they were on.


Fierce fighting has taken place as the Colombian army tries to close in on the guerrilla group.

US President George Bush is sending 150 extra troops to Colombia to help the search operation.

The FARC said in its statement the decision, saying it was an "invasion by the United States of our country."

Reward offered

There are several hundred US military personnel in Colombia, including some special forces, but they are not allowed to take part in combat.

The US has spent $2bn in recent years to help Colombia tackle its illegal drugs trade, and recently lifted restrictions stopping the use of that aid against the guerrillas.

The three Americans held by FARC vanished when their plane crash-landed on 13 February in the remote southern province of Caqueta, long a rebel stronghold.

A fourth American and a Colombian army sergeant who were also aboard the US Government Cessna plane were found shot dead at the jungle site.

This is the first time that US Government employees have been captured during Colombia's four decades of civil war.

The Colombian Government has offered a $345,000 reward for information leading to the safe return of the missing men who have not been identified.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 02:52 PM       
It would be really nice if Iraq cooperated a little bit!! :angryrepublican

*sigh* SOMEtimes war is the ONLY option for stray cats like this! We really DON'T want war!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2807073.stm

Iraq 'to begin missile destruction'
Iraqi officials have said they could start destroying their al-Samoud II missiles by Saturday, as demanded by chief United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix.
The announcement firms up an earlier agreement in principle by Baghdad to destroy the weapons, which the UN has declared in breach of Iraqi obligations on disarmament.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, echoing the sentiments of the Bush administration, has dismissed the Iraqi offer as another example of Baghdad playing games with inspectors.

But French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said it was an important step in the disarmament of Iraq and confirmed that the inspections produced results.


Iraqi anger

In a letter to Mr Blix, Saddam Hussein's scientific adviser said he agreed "in principle" to the destruction of the missiles.

General Amir al-Saadi requested a UN technical team to discuss the "framework and timetable" for the task; deputy executive chairman of the UN inspectors, Demetrius Perricos, is already in Baghdad to oversee the process.

"There will be technical discussions between Unmovic and Iraq on Saturday morning following which the destruction process could start," Hiro Ueki, spokesman for the inspectors, told Reuters news agency.

The BBC's Paul Wood in Baghdad says informed sources in the Iraqi capital said the letter also contained some angry words.

Baghdad complained that the inspectors had ignored the scientific and technical facts about the missile and repeated a demand for more tests on the missiles to determine whether they violate the 150 kilometres (93 miles) range limit set after the 1991 Gulf War.

Despite this protest, our correspondent says the Iraqis concluded that open defiance of Mr Blix was not an option while the UN Security Council is considering the resolution which would trigger a war.

In other developments:

The US orders a sixth aircraft carrier, the Nimitz, to the Gulf, where more than 200,000 troops are now posted. B-2 stealth bombers are also being deployed for the first time.

President Saddam Hussein tells Iraqis to go into their gardens and start digging air raid shelters.

Iraq starts moving major elements of a Republican Guard division south, possibly towards Baghdad or Saddam Hussein's home town of Tikrit, according to US defence officials.


Mr Blair, holding talks with his Spanish counterpart Jose Maria Aznar, declared he knew Baghdad would comply with the UN order before Mr Blix reported to the Security Council on Saturday on progress in Iraq.

"The moment I heard earlier in the week that Saddam Hussein was saying he would not destroy the missiles was the moment I knew that later in the week he would announce, just before Dr Blix reported, that he would indeed destroy these missiles," he told reporters in Madrid.

The BBC has obtained a draft copy of Mr Blix's report - leaked just before Iraq's decision to comply with the UN was made public - in which he says inspections had produced "very limited" results.

Russia veto threat

Meanwhile Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov on Friday said if needed Moscow will use its UN Security Council veto to preserve "international stability".

"Russia will not support a resolution or resolutions which directly or indirectly open the way towards a power solution of the Iraqi problem," he said in Beijing, where he is holding talks.

The Security Council is bitterly divided over the need for a second resolution saying Iraq has failed to disarm - with permanent, veto-wielding members France and Russia favouring more time for weapons inspections.

Any resolution needs the backing of nine of the 15 Council members and must not be vetoed by any of the five permanent members.
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Old Feb 28th, 2003, 03:47 PM       
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Old Mar 4th, 2003, 04:16 PM       
60,000 more troops to the Gulf, making a nice 290,000 once they arrive.


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Old Mar 19th, 2003, 06:56 PM       
this thread is much more appropriate now that we have less than an hour until the presidents deadline.
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