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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 04:11 PM        Universal Health Care
I really can't understand the conservatives on this one. At all.

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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 04:17 PM       
What's not to understand, people with money want to make more money.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 04:43 PM       
I don't want to have to wait for a specialist when I could just pay for treatment right away. It's selfish, but I don't give a fuck because my parents have money.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 04:44 PM       
I've seen what government health care is like. They nearly operated on the wrong foot on me. Fucking idiot doctors.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 04:48 PM       
They're convinced that a government-run health care program will fail because it will be run by the government, which is bad whenever the government isn't being run by a republican. Also, they loathe spending money on anything other than defense.

Everything else, including talk of "death panels" and such, is just crap they're throwing out to try and scare the public into backing them.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 06:05 PM       
I guess my main question is, are conservatives actually this stupid, and fail to understand how having a socialized health care system is cheaper in the long run, or has it really boiled down to partisanship, and they don't vote for it, simply because they hate all the people that will vote for it.

I mean, in Canada, the fraction of a penny I pay in taxes for helping other Canadians out is fine by me, because, even if I wasn't trying to be altruistic about it, it would still be in my best interest to help out others, all the time, because the guy who can afford his health care will probably not end up a criminal and possibly steal my shit. That's kind of a big stretch but, really, its not that illogical, is it?

That seems to be the main argument I hear from the republicans, that they cannot see how it's their responsibility to pay for the health of someone else. Is anyone else confused by how a minimal investment in someone elses' welfare will pay off, even if its for selfish reasons?
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 06:06 PM       
I can afford my own health care. I couldnt care less about universal health care as long I dont have to pay for it.
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I guess my main question is, are conservatives actually this stupid, and fail to understand how having a socialized health care system is cheaper in the long run, or has it really boiled down to partisanship, and they don't vote for it, simply because they hate all the people that will vote for it.

I mean, in Canada, the fraction of a penny I pay in taxes for helping other Canadians out is fine by me, because, even if I wasn't trying to be altruistic about it, it would still be in my best interest to help out others, all the time, because the guy who can afford his health care will probably not end up a criminal and possibly steal my shit. That's kind of a big stretch but, really, its not that illogical, is it?

That seems to be the main argument I hear from the republicans, that they cannot see how it's their responsibility to pay for the health of someone else. Is anyone else confused by how a minimal investment in someone elses' welfare will pay off, even if its for selfish reasons?
So you kinda just decided to not read my post then.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 06:20 PM       
As a conservative I don't want the governmunt to interfere with my healthcare. I'm happy with my medi-cal and I don't need the government messing it up or changing it.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 06:24 PM       
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 06:40 PM       
If the proposed system is anything like England's you are still more than welcome to have private healthcare if you want to pay for it. If you can't afford it, you can use the NHS.

What's wrong with that? All the people that don't want no governments messin' in their affairs can continue to use private healthcare. Everyone else can get it for free.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 06:56 PM       
But that's lost revenue.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 07:06 PM       
In a big way, why not feed everyone for free? Because it won't make me money.
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I think for a lot of people public healthcare has become like a symbol of everything unamerican.
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 08:46 PM       
All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 09:02 PM       
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All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?
Is this seriously how the conservatives actually think? Or are you just trolling?
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 09:31 PM       
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All I want to know is how much is going to be taken out of my paycheck every week so some junkie can get his pain pills?
You mean like Rush Limbaugh?
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Old Aug 24th, 2009, 09:33 PM       
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Is this seriously how the conservatives actually think? Or are you just trolling?
No. I really want to know how much they are going to take out of my check every week. Seams like a legitimate question.
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I guess my main question is, are conservatives actually this stupid, and fail to understand how having a socialized health care system is cheaper in the long run, or has it really boiled down to partisanship, and they don't vote for it, simply because they hate all the people that will vote for it.

I mean, in Canada, the fraction of a penny I pay in taxes for helping other Canadians out is fine by me, because, even if I wasn't trying to be altruistic about it, it would still be in my best interest to help out others, all the time, because the guy who can afford his health care will probably not end up a criminal and possibly steal my shit. That's kind of a big stretch but, really, its not that illogical, is it?

That seems to be the main argument I hear from the republicans, that they cannot see how it's their responsibility to pay for the health of someone else. Is anyone else confused by how a minimal investment in someone elses' welfare will pay off, even if its for selfish reasons?
Among the core beliefs of the Republican party are the idea that taxes are bad, no matter what they're used for, and that the government should rarely be involved in anything, which is mostly just an extrapolation of the first bit.

Beyond that, there's the idea that if there is a government program that is helping people with something, said program is doomed to be abused by people, and thus should never be attempted. You take a complete lack of faith in other people, add in the belief that everyone should just fend for themselves, and you've got a fair idea of what's going through the heads of a lot of modern conservatives.
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I just have no faith in the government running anything. How many congressmen does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
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None. But it does take a majority vote to hire one guy to oversee the project that is managed by another guy. Who hires one more to buy the bulb and another to pick it up and deliver it to the job site. He then has to hire yet another guy to pick it up again and actually deliver it to the correct job site who passes it off to a final guy to actually screw it in.
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I just have no faith in the government running anything. How many congressmen does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Just two, but good luck getting them in there.

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Old Aug 25th, 2009, 02:07 AM       
I think its the red tape and bureaucracy that makes healthcare complicated and expensive. Something government run healthcare has less thereoff.
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