YEAH! Tax day, baby!

[VinceZeb]

Nothing better than paying MORE money to have a bigger govt, because we got to feed those kids!

http://www.boortz.com/nealznuz.htm

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[KevinTheOmnivore]

Better load up that doubele-barrel the government is trying to take from you, Vince! It's "every looney who hates taxes revolt like they think they're Thomas Jefferson" day!!!

[VinceZeb]

Do you pay taxes, Kevin?

Answer that question and I will know if I should pat you on your head and send you on your way or talk to you about how our tax system is raping the workers of the United States.

[pjalne]

Could we all agree not to fuel his idiocy this time?

[VinceZeb]

What idiocy? The fact that most of the people on this board are wearing the horse-blinders when it comes to what you pay in taxes?

Ask yourself this one question: How much do you make?

And no, it is not how much you take home; it is how much you make before taxes, payments, etc.

We need a national sales tax. We would get the money from the people who don't claim taxes (i.e. hookers, prostitutes, etc.), prices for goods would be lower since you wouldn't have to pay all those taxes that are occurred based on the passing of goods between different providers such as the guy who cuts the grain, the guy who makes the dough, the guy who packages it, the guy who ships it, and the store that stocks the bread. We have a hidden 22% SALES TAX that the average dumbass doesn't know they are paying. Lower and middle income families would come off like bandits, because they would get a check from the govt in the estimated form of sales tax they would have to pay for essentials at certain intervals. And you get to keep ALL your check! You don't want to support the govt? DONT BUY ANYTHING! Put your money where your mouth is!

I've wanted this since I was about 18 years old. It would work, bar none. Then people would HAVE MORE MONEY, the govt would have more money, we would still have Medicare and Social Security (even though it is a crock to begin with), and the economy would boom.

Since I agree with and many others agree with me that are economic professors and studiers of tax systems, I guess that makes us all idiots, huh?


The taxes right now are a ripoff. They rip off the rich, the SS taxes rip off black men, and taxes in general rip us all off.

[AChimp]

Taxes are great.

And if you think adding a sales tax will make goods and services cheaper, you are a fool. Companies will not deprive themselves of a profit, especially when they have to pay more for the stuff that THEY buy.

But I'm sure having the revenue from prostitutes's purchases will make a huge difference in revenue for the government. Afterall, hookers are just crawling everywhere in the U.S.

[VinceZeb]

Achimp, you are Canadian, so I can tolerate that you are a completely useless fleshbag when it comes to the talk of taxation. But since I live in a country where the majority of the citizens would rather not live in a socialist state, I will break it down for even you to understand.

Now, Achimp, in America, we already pay a sales tax on items, along with state taxes and possibly city taxes. Now, what this program does is ELIMINATE the hidden taxes on the items. There is just a standard tax on everything you buy after you spend X amount of dollars in a year. This means that if you buy items in America, you pay taxes. You don't buy very much, you don't pay very much. Voluntary taxation. Very simple, very effective.

People will get ALL their check when they are paid. If they want to buy something, they pay for it and a standard national sales tax. The prices of items will be LOWER due to companies and handlers and anyone else that has shit to do with that product or service not having to pay taxes on every little aspect of it!

When I go to the store and buy a loaf of bread, there are taxes out the poop-chute on it. Taxes on the farmer selling the grains, taxes on the makers of the dough, taxes on the guys who make the dough into bread, taxes on the guys who package the bread, taxes on the shippers of the bread, and taxes on the stores that buy the bread. Now, I take my $1, which HAS ALREADY BEEN TAXED WHEN I GOT MY CHECK and I pay (I believe it is) 34 cents for the ADDITIONAL taxes put on the bread... How is that fair, sir?

Please explain to me how this is fair? If you even ATTEMPT to with a straight face, I advise you to ban yourself from voting in any election for the next 10 years, because it is obvious you are an idiot with no perception of reality.

Now, if we have a sales tax, it will tax people who spend. Who spends money that is not taxed? Pimps, whores, drug dealers, ect. People who make ILLEGAL income but never PAY taxes. So, when the pimp wants to buy his pimp-mobile, he has to pay TAXES on it! Fairness in a govt system! Wow, what a new idea!

[AChimp]

Yeah, and who does the pimp buy his pimp-mobile from? The car dealership, so therefore there are taxes "hidden" in the cost, since you so eloquently stated that "Now, Achimp, in America, we already pay a sales tax on items, along with state taxes and possibly city taxes."

Your use of bread as an example is flawed. Under any normal standard sales tax system, items deemed to be essential are NOT taxed. That includes food; how lucky for you.

In addition to that, your view of standard sales tax is flawed! A sales tax applies to EVERY KIND OF SALES TRANSACTION, not just what is deemed to be the end-consumer. So you eliminate the tax that is placed on grain, but add a sales tax to that transaction instead.

Let's look at your little example, and assume that "KA-CHING" means that sales tax has been applied:

Farmer sells to grain warehouse. KA-CHING. Grain warehouse sells to dough-maker. KA-CHING. Dough-maker sells to bakery. KA-CHING. Bakery sells to store. KA-CHING. You buy the bread from the store. KA-CHING.

You are merely replacing a bunch of taxes with one tax, and it all adds up to the same amount in the end. (i.e. replace all the KA-CHINGs with "grain tax" and "dough tax", etc.) Since you are so pro-capitalism, you can't begrudge a merchant and honest profit, so the price goes up at each level. Are you being taxed any less in the end? No.

All you have succeeded in doing is removing the income tax that you whine so much about. But wait! We'll have more money so we can buy more stuff! No, you won't. Take some marketing and consumer behaviour courses, Vince. People don't typically buy stuff just because they can; they buy stuff that they think they need. You don't see me with a dozen TVs just because I can afford them.

You are using all the same arguments that the Conservative government used in the late 80's when they were introducing the GST, our national sales tax.

Prices will go lower! Everyone will have more! No they didn't. No we don't.

[VinceZeb]

No, the taxes are not "hidden" ANYWHERE with this plan. Everyone KNOWS the taxes they will have to pay first hand! The hidden taxes are gone, because all the little areas will not be taxed anymore, and if they are, it is KNOWN, and prices can be LOWER because of all the taxes for the consumer, I.E. Me, you, or anyone else.

Yes, you are being TAXED less in the end. Without these hidden taxes lumped on by MORE taxes, we are taxed in the end. The reason you don't believe we are taxed that much in the first place is because you are used to the fact that you "take home" x amount of dollars every pay period, when in fact you should be taking home MORE!

And please, before you try to insult my intelligence, don't question my training in sales/marketing/etc. I know why people buy items and services. This tax system would tax people less, give more money to lower and middle income citizens, and help economies boom. Why does Russia have a better economy with a flat tax? I guess they are stupid, huh?

Yeah, Canada is just a fine example of a country! *snort* If you want to be punished for being successful, move there. Hell, move here, for now..... The U.S. tax code is screwed. It needs to be fixed. This will fix it. And it also may help people learn RESPONSABILITY.

Besides, looked at the Earned Income Tax Credit that the Republicans passed; It GIVES money to people AFTER their TAX debt is PAID. So in fact, it is STEALING from someone to pay someone money they NEVER EARNED in the first place! Explain how this is fair.

And oh yeah... don't vote in any elections.

[Jeanette X]

Perhaps the rich ought to pay all or most of the taxes, and everyone else should be left alone.

[VinceZeb]

Jeanette, are you being serious or stupid?

The way you answer the above question will judge my response.

[AChimp]

Vince, you are a moron. You are still merely replacing all your hidden taxes with an out-in-the-open tax of equal amount. Stuff will still cost the same, and no one will be rushing out to clean out the nearby Wal-Mart.

[sspadowsky]

We need a national sales tax. We would get the money from the people who don't claim taxes (i.e. hookers, prostitutes, etc.)

What about ladies of the evening, party girls, harlots, hussies, whores, joygirls, streetwalkers, call girls, and bawds? Shouldn't they have to pay too?
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[VinceZeb]

Achimp, are you a fucking idiot or do you not have the ability to read? When you don't have TAXES TAKEN FROM YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN YOU GET PAID, YOU GET MORE MONEY! You can then CHOOSE to pay taxes buy buying luxury items or spending outside some percieved limit of expenses. The GOVT would send you a check for the cost of the sales tax on essential items! How fucking hard is this to understand?!? People who spend money would pay taxes, people who don't want to spend money would not pay taxes. But, but, but, it would not be forcefully taken out in the first place! And you would not OWE any taxes in the end on a certain day, because there would be no IRS.

Most people are not going to rush out and buy a fucking store's worth of items. But, people will do more projects and want to start more business or expand said business because the taxes are non-existant or lowered. Thus, more jobs are needed and more money is made. Then more money is earned by people so they can go out and buy or invest or whatever. Finally, the govt makes MONEY off the sales tax and it gets more REVENUE, which they will of course try to spend on stupid, inefficent projects like socalized healthcare and aid to places like Syria.

[Protoclown]

I too hate taxes. That's why I don't pay them.

I kill who I want and take what I need.

[VinceZeb]

An adventureous yet untrue option, Proto.

[Protoclown]

Kind of like that submarine letter, huh?

[VinceZeb]

I was going to say just like your social life, but the joke was lame. Like your social life! Wow, wasnt that just great.

[Anonymous]

proto you need to respect "Crazy Wild Life/ Ladies Man Vince"
He can teach you alll about life and how to be a stud like him

[sspadowsky]

Yes, I want to hear more stories about sluts that he's groped.
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[The_Rorschach]

"Perhaps the rich ought to pay all or most of the taxes, and everyone else should be left alone."

Actually, this is a pretty stupid comment, or woefully naive, I can't decide which. In a capitalistic environment, where many people's goal is to become rich, depriving them of their wealth will only decrease their willingness to be successful - or increase their willingness to live outside the United States. Tax money is used for the benefit of all, whether its paving roads, sustaining the military, or providing reduced cost healthcare, and often times, the poor gain more from the taxes they pay rather than the rich. It needs to be a burden carried by all, and the rich - whether you believe it or not - actually carry a great deal of it.

As to paying taxes. . .

My income is pretty shotty, I got six grand in loans, four grand in grants, a thousand dollar scholarship and a part time job which I only put roughly seventy five hours in to (making 1138 dollars). My tax return is like a hundred bucks so I didn't bother filing. The Revolutionary war wasn't fought over taxation, it fought over taxation without prepresentation.. My only regret today is that I could not pay more.

[AChimp]

The GOVT would send you a check for the cost of the sales tax on essential items!


You're promoting an idea that you can't even come up with an efficient system for in your tiny little head!

You think that every person in America is going to save all their grocery receipts to prove how much food they bought? I sure as hell don't!

And what if the government sends everyone a fixed amount? Well, to quote you, how is that fair? A fatass like yourself eats 10x as much as a regular person, even if it's all in vegetables and low-fat lentils. I'd be getting reimbursed too much and you'd be getting reimbursed too little.

You might as well just convert the IRS into the Ingestibles Refund Service rather than get rid of it, because that's how much bureaucracy a system like that would need.

[FS]

Vince not care! Vince not want pay much so him can bathe in cream cheese on regular basis!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Do you pay taxes, Kevin?

yes. How's your Cuba project coming along, btw....?

Answer that question and I will know if I should pat you on your head and send you on your way or talk to you about how our tax system is raping the workers of the United States.

[Anonymous]

Wouldn't a sales-tax-only system mean that people would directly control government and business funds? Wouldn't that mean that whenever our economy dips, things start to hurt a lot worse than they already do?

How would this improve the economy, anyway? Who's getting all this magic money that we're 'throwing away' now? I mean, this sudden national prosperity would have to come from somewhere. You'd make more, but things would cost more, too.

So, pretty much, the nation is misinformed for not wanting further inflation.

I guess that makes us all idiots, huh?