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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 12:36 PM        Return of the "I" word
All of this sounds good but I'm not getting my hopes up. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Bush doesn't get impeached. If he does get impeached, watch for next terror attack on US soil staged by the neocons in which al Qaeda will get blamed and Bush will shout, "I TOLD YOU SO...!!!"

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Impeachment hearings: The White House prepares for the worst

The Bush administration is bracing for impeachment hearings in Congress.

"A coalition in Congress is being formed to support impeachment," an administration source said.

Sources said a prelude to the impeachment process could begin with hearings by the Senate Judiciary Committee in February. They said the hearings would focus on the secret electronic surveillance program and whether Mr. Bush violated the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Administration sources said the charges are expected to include false reports to Congress as well as Mr. Bush's authorization of the National Security Agency to engage in electronic surveillance inside the United States without a court warrant. This included the monitoring of overseas telephone calls and e-mail traffic to and from people living in the United States without requisite permission from a secret court.

Sources said the probe to determine whether the president violated the law will include Republicans, but that they may not be aware they could be helping to lay the groundwork for a Democratic impeachment campaign against Mr. Bush.

"Our arithmetic shows that a majority of the committee could vote against the president," the source said. "If we work hard, there could be a tie."

The law limits the government surveillance to no more than 72 hours without a court warrant. The president, citing his constitutional war powers, has pledged to continue wiretaps without a warrant.

The hearings would be accompanied by several lawsuits against the administration connected to the surveillance program. At the same time, the Electronic Privacy Information Center has filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that demands information about the NSA spying.

Sen. Arlen Specter, Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and Pennsylvania Republican, has acknowledged that the hearings could conclude with a vote of whether Mr. Bush violated the law. Mr. Specter, a critic of the administration’s surveillance program, stressed that, although he would not seek it, impeachment is a possible outcome.

"Impeachment is a remedy," Mr. Specter said on Jan. 15. "After impeachment, you could have a criminal prosecution. But the principal remedy under our society is to pay a political price."

Mr. Specter and other senior members of the committee have been told by legal constitutional experts that Mr. Bush did not have the authority to authorize unlimited secret electronic surveillance. Another leading Republican who has rejected the administration's argument is Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

On Jan. 16, former Vice President Al Gore set the tone for impeachment hearings against Mr. Bush by accusing the president of lying to the American people. Mr. Gore, who lost the 2000 election to Mr. Bush, accused the president of "indifference" to the Constitution and urged a serious congressional investigation. He said the administration decided to break the law after Congress refused to change the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government," Mr. Gore said.

"I call upon members of Congress in both parties to uphold your oath of office and defend the Constitution,” he said. “Stop going along to get along. Start acting like the independent and co-equal branch of American government that you are supposed to be under the constitution of our country."

Impeachment proponents in Congress have been bolstered by a memorandum by the Congressional Research Service on Jan. 6. CRS, which is the research arm of Congress, asserted in a report by national security specialist Alfred Cumming that the amended 1947 law requires the president to keep all members of the House and Senate intelligence committees "fully and currently informed" of a domestic surveillance effort. It was the second CRS report in less than a month that questioned the administration's domestic surveillance program.

The latest CRS report said Mr. Bush should have briefed the intelligence committees in the House and Senate. The report said covert programs must be reported to House and Senate leaders as well as the chairs of the intelligence panels, termed the "Gang of Eight."

Administration sources said Mr. Bush would wage a vigorous defense of electronic surveillance and other controversial measures enacted after 9/11. They said the president would begin with pressure on Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Mr. Bush would then point to security measures taken by the former administration of President Bill Clinton.

"The argument is that the American people will never forgive any public official who knowingly hurts national security," an administration source said. "We will tell the American people that while we have done everything we can to protect them, our policies are being endangered by a hypocritical Congress
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 12:48 PM       
Wait, do they also impeach the Vice President? I brought this up in the last bush impeachment thread, because I don't think it would be a very good idea to have Lucifer (oh wait, did I say Lucifer? I meant Cheney) running our country.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 12:55 PM       
Getting impeached doesn't mean he won't still be the president.

Also I thought you lived in some backwards European country.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 12:56 PM       
No, I'm from Germany, but I live in Portland, Oregon.

Also I thought that getting impeached meant you were fired from being president.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 02:14 PM       
No, it doesn't.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 02:25 PM       
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No, I'm from Germany, but I live in Portland, Oregon.

Also I thought that getting impeached meant you were fired from being president.
Common misconception. Clinton was impeached, but he wasn't forced to step down. Being impeached means going to trial under accusations of misconduct.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 03:01 PM       
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No, I'm from Germany, but I live in Portland, Oregon.

Also I thought that getting impeached meant you were fired from being president.
What exactly are they teaching up there?

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"Impeachment is a remedy," Mr. Specter said on Jan. 15. "After impeachment, you could have a criminal prosecution. But the principal remedy under our society is to pay a political price."
So, are they saying that AFTER he serves his term he'll be tried criminally? What's the point? The damage (now and in the meantime) will have already been done. I'm saying that because, you know, impeachment doesn't mean he's kicked out straight away. Maybe I didn't read it correctly.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 03:29 PM       
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No, I'm from Germany, but I live in Portland, Oregon.

Also I thought that getting impeached meant you were fired from being president.
What exactly are they teaching up there?
I wouldn't know, as my family moved here when I was 3.
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Old Jan 24th, 2006, 03:31 PM       
I didn't mean that as some scathing joke, btw. And I meant Oregon.
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Old Jan 25th, 2006, 12:18 AM       
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States

thanks to the internet, you don't actually have to have a post-secondary education anymore. I envy you modern kids.

at any rate, even IF the President were impeached, Roberts and the new and improved Supreme Court wouldn't convict him of anything less than blatant treason. Not this hodge-podge, maybe-might-have-kinda-sorta-bent the law (just a little bit) legalism of which Bush has been accused.
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Old Jan 25th, 2006, 06:43 AM       
"Sources said a prelude to the impeachment process could begin with hearings by the Senate Judiciary Committee in February. They said the hearings would focus on the secret electronic surveillance program and whether Mr. Bush violated the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

Administration sources said the charges are expected to include false reports to Congress as well as Mr. Bush's authorization of the National Security Agency to engage in electronic surveillance inside the United States without a court warrant. This included the monitoring of overseas telephone calls and e-mail traffic to and from people living in the United States without requisite permission from a secret court. "

I want to see the evidence that thiswas ever done.
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Old Jan 25th, 2006, 08:01 AM       
I think Bush's admittance to spying illegally is plenty enough of evidence.

Or am I misunderstanding the question?
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Old Jan 25th, 2006, 08:39 AM       
Its not a matter of evidence, it a matter of what exactly the courts decide counts as worthy of impeachment in their bizarro, topsy-turvy make-believe world, then apply it to real life where it doesn't make sense.
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