Looks like Max isn't the ONLY Socialist in America....

[KevinTheOmnivore]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...on/5898806.htm

Posted on Mon, May. 19, 2003

Poll finds most Americans want smaller tax cut, more aid to states

BY CARRIE STURROCK
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WALNUT CREEK, Calif. - (KRT) - A majority of Americans would prefer a smaller federal tax cut if it meant more aid to the states to maintain public schools and universities, according to a survey by independent researchers at the University of California at Berkeley and Stanford University.

The survey is the first to gauge support for President Bush's proposed $550 billion tax cut in light of shrinking education budgets.

"I think it highlights the fact that given tough economic times, public education is still a very high priority relative to federal tax cuts," said Emlei Kuboyama, an associate director at Policy Analysis for California Education (PACE), a research center based at Cal and Stanford. "People are very concerned about the state impact."

Survey respondents were asked:

"Which would you prefer, the full $550 billion tax cut that President Bush is proposing to stimulate the economy, or a smaller federal tax cut and increased federal aid to states to help maintain funding for public schools?"

Of those surveyed, 67 percent preferred a smaller tax cut, and more federal aid to the states to shore up funding for public schools, while 25 percent wanted the $550 billion tax cut.

As for higher education, 64 percent preferred a smaller tax cut and more money for state universities while 28 percent preferred the president's tax cut.

University researchers commissioned Peter D. Hart Research Associates of Washington, D.C., to survey 1,003 randomly selected adults between May 8 and 13. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

While it's unclear what will happen with Bush's proposal, observers are predicting he will secure one of the largest tax cuts in history. Federal lawmakers are working to reconcile two versions: the House bill would cut taxes by $550 billion, the Senate's by $350 billion.

The Senate bill also includes $20 billion in aid for struggling cities and states. Both plans call for a reduction on the dividends tax. The PACE researchers noted that states could lose up to $8 billion from a dividends tax cut.

The PACE survey found that a majority of the nation's wealthiest people supported a smaller federal tax cut if it meant more aid to states for public schools. Fifty-nine percent of survey respondents who earn more than $75,000 annually preferred the smaller cut, while 33 percent preferred the full Bush proposal.

"It's telling that even the people who would presumably benefit the most from these tax cut proposals … would have more federal aid go to the states for public education," Kuboyama said.

Those in the study's lowest income bracket overwhelmingly supported a smaller tax cut - 79 percent versus 15 percent.

When it came to a smaller tax cut in return for more aid to help states avoid cutting services generally or raising taxes, a gender gap emerged. Sixty-eight percent of women favored a small tax cut compared with 58 percent of men.

The survey researchers pointed out that "the nation's grass-roots Republicans are statistically tied on the issue." Of Republicans surveyed, 46 percent preferred the larger tax cut, compared with 43 percent who wanted more aid to the states. Democrats came down 11 percent to 82 percent on that question.

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© 2003, Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, Calif.).

[VinceZeb]

The question is loaded to begin with. The question implies that if there is a tax cut, all the public schools will lose all their funding. The question is slanted and biased.

They should ask this question:

"If we get the tax cut, and you had to choose a program to not give money to, which one would you pick?" Then you give a bunch of choices. If people were intelligent enough to know WHERE THEIR FREAKING MONEY GOES, they would answer differently.

[mburbank]

So for instance, if it turned out most people were against the developement and testing a 'low yield' nuclear weapons and the billions of dollars that will be spent on it, that would make som sort of difference?

[VinceZeb]

Do you honestly think people (besides people like you) would be against trying to improve our nation's defense?

A good portion of America is ignorant to how the country works. Once we improve our failing school system, then the more educated America can arise, vote, and be able to lead this country in a greater direction.

[sspadowsky]

You are a shining example of our failing school systems.
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C216

[AChimp]

What's the point of continuing to "improve" your national defenses? The U.S. could already fight simultaneous wars in several parts of the world and most likely win.

Vince, the question that you propose is even more "loaded" than the one that was posed. You know why? Because it forces a person to presume that they already received the tax cut, whereas the actual survey suggests two things and asks for a preference: a tax cut or funding for schools.

[mburbank]

Vinth; no I suppose not. I just think most people wouldn't think spending bucketloads of tax money on developing more useable nuclear weapons an improvement. Most people don't think nuclear weappons should be used at all.

You are ignorant 'to how' the language works. Whatever education you had doesn't show any evidence of having taken. And yet somehow you 'arise' and vote.

Ignorant 'to how'. Jesus Christ eating Jimminy Cricket, Vinth. You need to shut up about education or learn to write an English sentence.

[VinceZeb]

This is a message board, not an English classroom. I'll talk how I dam well please.

Ss, please explain, without metioning my language usage, how I am a shining example of failing schools?

[Bennett]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Ss, please explain, without metioning my language usage, how I am a shining example of failing schools?

Well, since I can't comment on you inability to use the ENGLISH language, I would say your inability to recognize the ENGLISH language as one of the key aspects of our educational system makes you a shining example.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

The question is loaded to begin with. The question implies that if there is a tax cut, all the public schools will lose all their funding. The question is slanted and biased.

They should ask this question:

"If we get the tax cut, and you had to choose a program to not give money to, which one would you pick?" Then you give a bunch of choices. If people were intelligent enough to know WHERE THEIR FREAKING MONEY GOES, they would answer differently.

Vince, my state, New York, is going through one of the worst economic crisises it has ever seen. Thankfully, due to a bi-partisan effort by both of our legislative houses against the governor, there will be no cuts to public school education (to my knowledge). There will however be a $950 tuition increase for SUNY students, our state college system.

A budget is a budget, and education is always a top issue for a state. To assume that the states don't, or wouldn't use this money that way is asinine. But we already know this about you, don't we?

Please, tell us how government "works," would you?

[VinceZeb]

Your state also has one of the highest tax rates in the nation and accepts the most freeloading scum in the entire country.

You also voted Miss Clinton into office there.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Doesn't answer the question.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

and accepts the most freeloading scum in the entire country.

You'll have to clarify yourself here, such broad, ignorant, and prejudice remarks are very much unlike you, and I'm not sure what you mean.

Would you mean those in NYS who are receiving financial assistance? Do you realize that 1 in 4 children in NYS classify as living in poverty? Do you realize that children comprise the largest segment of the hungry population in NYS?

You make me sick. To paraphrase Charles Dickens, just one of those children are more worthy in the eyes of God than hundreds of people like yourself. You spout stereotypes and naive misconceptions, you call faces you've never seen scum, when it's you who are the scum. You tell everyone on this board that they won't be missed when they're dead, but WHO will care about the end of a vulgar, rotten, and heartless little insect such as yourself when you finally gasp your last breath??

I don't care what your opinions are on welfare, fod stamps, social programs, etc. But think before you speak, and for God's sake, know what you're talking about before you open your fat mouth.

Have you ever seen someone without a home, Vince? Have you ever seen a child without a home, Vince? I have, and it's the most heartbreaking and sobering thing you can ever witness. To realize that while you get to go home under a room to a warm bed, those people you just gave some soup or a sandwich have NOTHING. They aren't just the stereotypical lazy minority that your racist little brain conjures up, they are the young, the old, children, women, veterans, mothers, and fathers.

You are trash.

[sspadowsky]

You can't really call it "use" of the language. "Brutal rape and mutilation" is a more apt description.
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[Protoclown]

Bennett made me

[VinceZeb]

Originally Posted by KevinTheHerbivore

Doesn't answer the question.

EDIT:

You'll have to clarify yourself here, such broad, ignorant, and prejudice remarks are very much unlike you, and I'm not sure what you mean.

Would you mean those in NYS who are receiving financial assistance? Do you realize that 1 in 4 children in NYS classify as living in poverty? Do you realize that children comprise the largest segment of the hungry population in NYS?

You make me sick. To paraphrase Charles Dickens, just one of those children are more worthy in the eyes of God than hundreds of people like yourself. You spout stereotypes and naive misconceptions, you call faces you've never seen scum, when it's you who are the scum. You tell everyone on this board that they won't be missed when they're dead, but WHO will care about the end of a vulgar, rotten, and heartless little insect such as yourself when you finally gasp your last breath??

I don't care what your opinions are on welfare, fod stamps, social programs, etc. But think before you speak, and for God's sake, know what you're talking about before you open your fat mouth.

Have you ever seen someone without a home, Vince? Have you ever seen a child without a home, Vince? I have, and it's the most heartbreaking and sobering thing you can ever witness. To realize that while you get to go home under a room to a warm bed, those people you just gave some soup or a sandwich have NOTHING. They aren't just the stereotypical lazy minority that your racist little brain conjures up, they are the young, the old, children, women, veterans, mothers, and fathers.

You are trash.

Take your panties out of your coochie, Kevin. Now, turn on that muscle mass that resides in your head. Good. Now follow me....

Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut. Now, show me in the United States Constitution where I am supposed to take care of leeches and the mistakes of ignorant, lazy people. You try to act like everyone who is "below poverty" is the average hard working Joe Six-Pack who has fallen on hard times when in fact the exact opposite is true.

Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum". Your blatant erroneous use of the word “racist” shows that you are more suited to beating the Monolith with a leg bone. If I were racist, that would mean that I believe in the inherent genetic superiority of my race above another. Where have I made that statement, Kevin? Oh wait, I did not. Freeloading scum in our country are of all shapes, sizes and colors. They refuse to work, give piss poor excuses of why they shouldn’t, or are too busy getting drunk or high to do anything productive. A lot of people move to this country to mooch off of it. Ask anyone that lives in Maine about the problems they are having. Just hop over to Newsfilter.org’s message board and ask. There are many people that will put you in the Japanese sailor suit and parade you around town like a common tramp.

I would really hate for you to be misinformed, by my mouth is not fat. My opinions are for the most part correct and based on the reality that you, I and everyone else has to live in. I am sorry that you let your right-side take over when you have to deal with facts and figures. Facts and figures don’t have emotion behind them, Kevin. They are just the cold hard reality you seem to want to ignore.

“Have you ever seen someone without a home, Vince? Have you ever seen a child without a home, Vince? I have, and it's the most heartbreaking and sobering thing you can ever witness.” You sound like a Springsteen album. I have been an asshair away from being homeless. My family was not rich by any means of the imagination. My mom was a LPN/Physical Therapy Assistant and my dad was just a grocery clerk. But I was raised to have the brains to know that something so big to give you everything you need is also big enough to take it all away. That is what you want the government to be. The government is not a god, Kevin. Learn to deal with that.

You are economically stupid, Kevin. You want income redistribution. You are one of the easily led morons that only vote against anything a Republican puts up because you do not like Bush. Why should I have my money FORCEFULLY taken away from me to pay for someone else’s mistakes or misfortunes. As a Christian, I would love to help them out, and I do. But as an American, I am not required to, and damnit, I am sick of some dumbass politician telling the people of America that are too freaking stupid to understand basic economics that tax cuts are for the rich. Answer this, Kevin, when the fuck should I be considered rich?

Now, why don’t you stop trying to make me look stupid (which is failing) and give me some real answers to the problems I have stated. I have my nice warm bed because I have EARNED it. I WORK hard. I SAVE money. I am SMART. I feel sorry for every homeless and poor child in my country, but ya know, it ain’t the government’s job to fix it. Why don’t you blame the parents for being poor and uneducated and not able to produce something for society instead of me. Why don’t you blame the parents for being brood mares and sucking the life from my purse strings with the children that they cannot take care of instead of me. I didn’t hump a woman to produce all these children. The “baby’s daddy” did. Is it my responsibility as an American citizen to take care of them? NO. Is it the responsibility of the people that created them to take care of them? YES.


Suck on this, beyotch.

[mburbank]

Jesus Wept.

[Jeanette X]

"Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut. Now, show me in the United States Constitution where I am supposed to take care of leeches and the mistakes of ignorant, lazy people. You try to act like everyone who is "below poverty" is the average hard working Joe Six-Pack who has fallen on hard times when in fact the exact opposite is true."

Even if we asssume the parents are at fault for their own situation, why the hell should the children suffer for it?
Furthermore, why do you believe that everyone who lives at poverty level neccesarily is poor because they are lazy/ignorant? Do you have some sources to back this up?

I would really hate for you to be misinformed, by my mouth is not fat. My opinions are for the most partcorrect and based on the reality that you, I and everyone else has to live in. I am sorry that you let your right-side take over when you have to deal with facts and figures. Facts and figures don’t have emotion behind them, Kevin. They are just the cold hard reality you seem to want to ignore.

"But I was raised to have the brains to know that something so big to give you everything you need is also big enough to take it all away. That is what you want the government to be. The government is not a god, Kevin. Learn to deal with that."

Kev never claimed that he wanted the government to give him "everything he needs". Your problem is that you see things in black and white, you assume that Kevin wants a government which is completely socialistic, when perhaps he only wants a government that is slightly more liberal than it is now.

"You are economically stupid, Kevin. You want income redistribution."
Point out where Kevin said that too.

"You are one of the easily led morons that only vote against anything a Republican puts up because you do not like Bush. Why should I have my money FORCEFULLY taken away from me to pay for someone else’s mistakes or misfortunes."
Why should I have mine forcefully taken from me to fund a war I didn't want or believe in?

"Is it my responsibility as an American citizen to take care of them? NO. Is it the responsibility of the people that created them to take care of them? YES."

Therefore, if we have a child that is being abused, the government should not intervene and take it out of an abusive situation?

"My opinions are for the most part correct and based on the reality that you, I and everyone else has to live in. I am sorry that you let your right-side take over when you have to deal with facts and figures. "

You have yet to put up facts and figures supporting your arguement.

[The_Rorschach]

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

" Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut."

"Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum"."

[AChimp]

Them ****** babies just keep popping out, don't they, Vince. Say, isn't it Catholics who don't use contraception?

[Miss Modular]

I think Ror deserves a round of applause.

[mburbank]

Go easy. Vinth used the word "Immigrant" but what he meant was poor people. And he didn't say anything about what ethnic backgorund the people spreading their legs were. Besides, he has a very rigid deffinition of what the word Racist means that he got directly from Boortz. I think, in light of the fact it's the onloy word Vinth uses that he has a definition for, we ought to honor it. Just call him a biggot instead.

"This is a message board, not an English classroom. I'll talk how I dam well please."
-Vinth

Doesn't that kind of presuppose you are capable of 'talking' any other way? I kind of doubt it. You've yet to show any evidence that you can 'speak' any other way, here, or on Newsfilter or on your own website. I'm fairly convinced it's all you're capable of.

[AChimp]

Maybe Vince is one of lunatic fringe activists. You know, by telling us that we're all "government educated morons," he's really saying that he's against literacy.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Kevin, your stats mean shit. Most of the children that are "living in poverty" are children of immigrants or people who could not keep their fucking legs shut.

Do you have numbers or data on this? If my numbers mean nothing, which can be cited and backed up by the Hunger Action Network of NY, where are your numbers?

Now, show me in the United States Constitution where I am supposed to take care of leeches and the mistakes of ignorant, lazy people. You try to act like everyone who is "below poverty" is the average hard working Joe Six-Pack who has fallen on hard times when in fact the exact opposite is true.

Again, numbers. Where are they? 1 in 3 families who visit a food pantry in new york state have at least one member who works, and overall, 40% of all poor people over the age of 14 work (that includes all of those "immigrants" ie. Mexicans and other minorities that you hate, scum).

Please show me where I made any indication of the race/creed/ethnic background of the "freeloading scum".

I think Rorschach covered this one.

Your blatant erroneous use of the word “racist” shows that you are more suited to beating the Monolith with a leg bone. If I were racist, that would mean that I believe in the inherent genetic superiority of my race above another. Where have I made that statement, Kevin? Oh wait, I did not. Freeloading scum in our country are of all shapes, sizes and colors.

Again, I defer to Mr. Rorschach.

They refuse to work, give piss poor excuses of why they shouldn’t, or are too busy getting drunk or high to do anything productive. A lot of people move to this country to mooch off of it.

Like who? I know that were it not for the Mexican immigrants in this country who work for virtually nothing to pick our fruit, wash our dishes, clean our floors and our toilets, we'd be in big trouble. Lazy hypocrites like yourself might not like cleaning up the mens room at a diner or motel. So who are these "people"?

Ask anyone that lives in Maine about the problems they are having. Just hop over to Newsfilter.org’s message board and ask. There are many people that will put you in the Japanese sailor suit and parade you around town like a common tramp.

Maybe we could all bitch about those "immigrants" who are mooching off the system, at your expense, of course. We could guise our words carefully with terms like "immigrants" and "mooches" just to play it safe, and just to carefully cover up what it is we're getting at.

BTW, judging the moral character of the folks over at newsfilter.org, I think I'll stick to I-Mockery, and avoid the liars, but thanks.

My opinions are for the most part correct and based on the reality that you, I and everyone else has to live in. I am sorry that you let your right-side take over when you have to deal with facts and figures. Facts and figures don’t have emotion behind them, Kevin. They are just the cold hard reality you seem to want to ignore.

And yet you neglect to provide any of them.....

“Have you ever seen someone without a home, Vince? Have you ever seen a child without a home, Vince? I have, and it's the most heartbreaking and sobering thing you can ever witness.” You sound like a Springsteen album. I have been an asshair away from being homeless. My family was not rich by any means of the imagination. My mom was a LPN/Physical Therapy Assistant and my dad was just a grocery clerk.

My mother is likewise an LPN, and although she is working herself into the grave, and makes very little, we still lived a relatively good life. My father works in a tile factory. We didn't have a lot, but it isn't even comparable to the situation many Americans are living in, so spare me the middle-class sob stories.

But I was raised to have the brains to know that something so big to give you everything you need is also big enough to take it all away. That is what you want the government to be. The government is not a god, Kevin. Learn to deal with that.

Yet I'm sure you applaud huge corporate subsidies, tax loopholes, corporate welfare, and everything else you denounce when it comes to these dark skinned mexi-, oops, I'm mean "immigrants" you so detest.

You are economically stupid, Kevin. You want income redistribution. You are one of the easily led morons that only vote against anything a Republican puts up because you do not like Bush. Why should I have my money FORCEFULLY taken away from me to pay for someone else’s mistakes or misfortunes. As a Christian, I would love to help them out, and I do. But as an American, I am not required to, and damnit, I am sick of some dumbass politician telling the people of America that are too freaking stupid to understand basic economics that tax cuts are for the rich. Answer this, Kevin, when the fuck should I be considered rich?

When a corporate CEO makes 300% more than his lowest employee, who probably breaks his ass every day to put food on the table, then we have problems. I don't agree with superfluous taxation, but I do agree that those with the money should be taxed more, it's right, it's just, and it's what makes things work. Even Adam Smith acknowledged this.

"FORCEFULLY"??? Issomeone coming and holding you up at gun point? You pay your taxes to abide by the law, the law is decided upon by Denmocrats AND Republicans, and this is how the system functions. It sounds to me like you hate America and the way it operates, Vince.

Now, why don’t you stop trying to make me look stupid (which is failing) and give me some real answers to the problems I have stated. I have my nice warm bed because I have EARNED it. I WORK hard. I SAVE money. I am SMART. I feel sorry for every homeless and poor child in my country, but ya know, it ain’t the government’s job to fix it. Why don’t you blame the parents for being poor and uneducated and not able to produce something for society instead of me.

The government is a reflective function OF the people, NOT this autonomous boogy man that intelectual midgets such as yourself try to create. It's the government's job to protect every American's right to life, libertu, and the persuit of happiness. They are failinn at this job, on multiple levels. This IS OUR job, because we ARE the government, so shove your libertarian hog wash.

Why don’t you blame the parents for being brood mares and sucking the life from my purse strings with the children that they cannot take care of instead of me. I didn’t hump a woman to produce all these children. The “baby’s daddy” did. Is it my responsibility as an American citizen to take care of them? NO. Is it the responsibility of the people that created them to take care of them? YES.

Right, right, it comes back to the "welfare queens," which when you really look at the numbers, is a falshood, simply due to the fact that it really doesn't pay off to keep having babies. It doesn't make economic sense, it isn't a reality. Where's all that intelligence of yours now, shit head?

Suck on this, beyotch.

Give me your family's mailing address so I can congratulate them on a job well done.

[VinceZeb]

I have to preface this post by saying that I have masturbated more potential brain cells into my shorts in a month than Kevin will ever possess in his entire lifetime.


See, Kevin and Rorsh, you are trying to act like I am a biggoted idiot. When in fact I have proven time and time again that I am not. That's the funny thing about people of your ilk. When you lose a battle, you pull out your race/class/ethics card and play it.

Show me where I said I hate a certain race/ethnic background of people? Show me where I used the word ****** as a slur? Please, show me these grand facts that you act like you have. You can do cutesy post and act like I am "treading lightly to cover my real agenda" all you want, but anyone with an IQ over 50 (which happens to be the mean IQ of this board sans Vince) can see this and know you are full of feces.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

I would like to apologize to Roger, on behalf of all the other Mockers, for the previous waste of board space provided by VinceZeb.

Have an answer to any of the pertinent questions, Buchanan?