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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:26 PM        SawII vs Original. which is better?
Im a huge fan of the two Saw movies, haveing seen both in theatres. Now, I liked both, but I can not decide which one is better. The frst one had a good plot and was basically a hugeass mind-f***, but the deaths kinda sucked. The second one had a decent plot, but better, more elaborrate deaths. So, I take it to you, fellow Mockers. Which is better, Saw or SawII? Style, or substance?
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:28 PM       
The first one was gay like your mum so I never watched the second. :/
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:31 PM       
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The first one was gay like your mum so I never watched the second. :/
I dont have a mum. I came from a hole in the ground. And may I ask why you didnt like the first one?
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:32 PM       
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:38 PM       
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so, a bit more on topic other than my holes gayness (which i dont have a problem with) why didn you like the first movie? be a little more specific than it was gay.
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:38 PM       
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:51 PM       
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 11:35 PM       
The second one has better production and better actors, but that doesn't stop it from sucking all the same. The "Saw" movies are weak as shit if you ask me, just like that other recent let-down of a horror flick "Hostel" was.
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 01:32 AM       
Roger, i love you and all, but your taste in movies sucks so bad. What wasn't to like about the Saw movies? Granted, the acting sucked, but i thought the stories were original and pretty damned clever. It's the first horror movie that's actually made me cringe, too, so that's gotta be worth something, considering that i spent a summer of my life frequenting sites that focus on videos of horribly gory deaths.
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 02:15 AM       
I don't see how they're clever at all really. I can picture the writers at a table getting drunk and having that typical, "ok dudes, what's like... the most... like... crazy way you could think of dying?" discussion. The storylines themselves are predictable, the gore isn't nearly up to par compared with loads of other horror movies (ie: constantly cutting away just before something happens, which is a BIG no-no in horror movies). What actually made you cringe? Hell, even the "Final Destination" movies have more cringe-worthy moments in them than Saw does haha.

The Saw movies are just too overhyped... and the only reason half the people who are seeing them these days think of them as the most "extreme" horror movies ever, is because they've hardly seen anything else. But yes, we do agree on one thing, even though the Saw movies are big budget, they've yet to include good acting for some reason. I couldn't believe how bad Cary Elwes was in that first one.
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 09:28 AM       
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I couldn't believe how fat Cary Elwes was in that first one.
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 10:20 AM       
To elaborate on my 'they are gay' argument I just thought they where too 'blockbustery' big-budget 'omg a twist' and where not clever at all.

"Ok guys who is the least likly person to be the murderer?"

"wait! I'v egot it! make it the dead guy then make some rubbish scenes to make it seem more plausable"
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 11:09 AM       
i think the second one had a better twist than the first





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not the fact that the girl was in on it, but that michael was in the safe the entire time. when watching it again, there's a scene where jigsaw says "he's in a safe and secure place." i noticed that this one sentence is said when the camera is in 2 different rooms (as in, the first half of the sentence is said and the camera is in another room so the audio sound different but then it cuts to him so the audio is clearer). the audio is coming from a radio/walkie talkie in the first half of the sentence then the second half is just his voice. it cuts off like this "he's in a safe and secure place." i thought that was neat because if you were paying attention enough the ending is revealed RIGHT then (underlined means it was coming through the walkie talkie)[/color]


i love both of the movies, but they are definately not the goriest or BEST horror movies i've ever seen.
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i thought the stories were original and pretty damned clever.
haven't seen the cube series? --- > http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 10:02 PM       
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To elaborate on my 'they are gay' argument I just thought they where too 'blockbustery' big-budget 'omg a twist' and where not clever at all.

"Ok guys who is the least likly person to be the murderer?"

"wait! I'v egot it! make it the dead guy then make some rubbish scenes to make it seem more plausable"
!SPOILERS DOWN UNDER!

You know it's funny, if they had just stuck with "HOLY SHIT, the killer was right there the whole time!" and left out the goofy foreshadowing that "OMG, IT WAS THE OLD DYING MAN FROM EARLIER," it really would have been a cool twist ending. Still I liked the movie (even though it was kind of dumb) and I think the only reason most people didn't like it is because of how it was advertised and the particular group of people claiming it was the greatest horror movie ever made.
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 10:31 PM       
i liked the first saw, the plot was pretty clever, up until the retarded twist at the end
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 10:50 PM       
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i think the second one had a better twist than the first





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not the fact that the girl was in on it, but that michael was in the safe the entire time. when watching it again, there's a scene where jigsaw says "he's in a safe and secure place." i noticed that this one sentence is said when the camera is in 2 different rooms (as in, the first half of the sentence is said and the camera is in another room so the audio sound different but then it cuts to him so the audio is clearer). the audio is coming from a radio/walkie talkie in the first half of the sentence then the second half is just his voice. it cuts off like this "he's in a safe and secure place." i thought that was neat because if you were paying attention enough the ending is revealed RIGHT then (underlined means it was coming through the walkie talkie)[/color]


i love both of the movies, but they are definately not the goriest or BEST horror movies i've ever seen.
wow... an admin has posted.... I feel honored. ANyways, yes that was oriinal and great. And i dont think theyre the best.... just the best mainstream^^. Takashi Miike is my true god.
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Old Feb 27th, 2006, 11:33 PM       
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Old Feb 28th, 2006, 01:51 AM       
The fact that they could only get Donnie Wahlberg in the second one doesn't really say alot for it


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Old Mar 1st, 2006, 03:53 AM       
to me, they're both worth about $6 each on dvd.
the true fun flick, absolute crap, but good to put on at anytime you can think of.

the sucky part is waiting until you find it in the bins for that price, but spending over $12 for it is suckier.
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Old Mar 10th, 2006, 11:04 AM       
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Old Mar 10th, 2006, 11:52 AM       
They're both equally shitty, so it's a tough call. Photo finish!
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Old Mar 10th, 2006, 01:23 PM       
The first one was alot better. I liked the first one. The second one was pure shit.
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Old Mar 10th, 2006, 02:43 PM       
Just watched the second one. It was crap. The first one was ok, even though the ending was just stupid, but this second one didn't entertain me at all. A few nice gorescenes, but thats it.
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