Mar 7th, 2007, 08:18 PM
I like how in your (jeanettes) second quote she goes fro saying that modern hinduism was corrupted in the 19th century to it being corruped 2000 years earlier. How do you even do that? Can corruption take place twice thousands of years a part? And how did christianity corrupt hinduism?
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The Upishanadas are part of the vedic period of text, and are also the culmination of it. Hence, "Vedanta philosophy". Even to early hindus, the vedas were a bit inconsistent. The hindu religion was not "corrupted"; as if the vedas weren't already a corruption of other religions, and wasn't inconsistent as hell. Upishanadas I believe also came into existence well before buddhism, hence their being called Vedic.
Even in the vedas there is talks of being coming from non-being, which is a fantastic philosophy. It's in Nasadiyasuka.
Also, I never said that pleasure and wealth on earth weren't allowed in the hindu religion, just that the religous and spiritual goals weren't directed towards them. I mean, do you even realize how retarded you sound equating religion and philosophies to wealth and pleasure on earth? lol. I don't know, that's just damned funny to me. THE GOAL OF RELIGION IS TO EAT A LOT OF CHOCOLATE DUUUUUH! the goal of philosophy is to have fun skateboarding and stuff!
I also never said that people aren't supposed to be happy. What I said is that your understanding of indian philosophy and the religion itself is rather ridiculous.
The reason for sacrafices in the rigveda is because the earlier Vedic gods were mostly naturalistic gods. You know, like gods of the wind, of fire, of storms. These gods represented real natural forces, and by praying and sacraficing to them they thought they were insured successful crops from successful rain. Just like every other religion.
(many) Vedic gods were representations of natural forces, all the "Demons" or "Evil" of vedic gods were naturalistic. When two completely different cultures combined, Harrapan/Dravidian and the Aryans, there was a combination of two completely different types of culture/religion. The Aryans were HERDERS and lived and mountains, so most of their gods were typically maleish and warlike (Aryans, like most herding societies, were also the societies that invaded farming societies). Dravidian and Harrapan, however, were farming societies. So their gods (Goddesses) were related to getting lots of rain to grow crops and stuff. All this occured BEFORE the rgveda was written, and in fact the Rgveda is partly about them invading. The rgveda also wasn't even compiled as a complete text for a few hundred years, but I don't expect you to understand the relevance of that.
When the aryans invaded and combined cultures with the indu civilizations of the time frame, an entirely new culture/religion was created. That's the basis of modern hinduism: Combinations of different religions to bring about a type of evolutionary success. Hinduism adopted some parts of buddhism so they could compete, culturally and socially, with the buddhistic religion. So, as you can see, one consistent factor throughout the entire hindu timeframe is that they took ideas from different cultures and became "The best".
INTERESTING NOTE: NATURALISTIC, or what could be called WORLDLY gods, are called ASURAS, whereas the other, higher gods are called DEvAS. In the puranas and other hindu writings, ASURAS are demons and DEvAS are good gods. HOW INTERESTING THAT THE "DEMONS" CAME FROM NATURALISTIC GODS.
One important thing because you're stupid: Yes, sacrafices did fade away under "Modern" views. lol. Sacrafices had mostly faded away by the time the UPISHANADAS came out, which were written by UNCORRUPTED hindus. The UPISHINADAS are considered a VEDIC text. lol. Me talking about the philosophy of the vedas means im talking about the traditional views, not the "Modern" ones.
I still don't see how any of this has to do with worshipping of the self. So like u h... where in the vedas does it say to worship the self? Because you still haven't said that. My logic may be cyclical, but at least it's consistent and not ignorant.
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*My homo color is purple*
Hilarious though that your entire argument this point has been more against yourself than me. Good job.
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