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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 11:41 AM        Racism, Classism, no ism at all? What do you think?
(CNN) -- First lady Laura Bush on Thursday denounced critics who say race played a role in the federal government's slow response to victims of Hurricane Katrina, calling the accusations "disgusting."

However, she noted that poor people were most vulnerable to the devastation and said that the disaster's aftermath is a "wake-up call" for the nation to address the issue.


So our First lady thinks the racism charge is 'disgusting'. I myself would call it understandable but probably wrong. I would reserve 'disgusting' for all those people left in the Superdome and the convention center 'disgusting'.

She does seem to note however, that what happened to the people of NO happened because they were poor. Those who were lower and middle class mostly got out, making it an issue of class. I think she went off message there. Do you suppose her husband got the 'wake-up call' or is he still napping on that subject?
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 11:49 AM       
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"There was more than enough warning over time about the dangers to New Orleans. Not enough was done. I don't think advantage was taken of the time that was available to us, and I just don't know why," Powell said in excerpts on ABC's Web site.

He said he did not think that race was a factor in the slow response, but that many of those unable to leave New Orleans in time were trapped by poverty which disproportionately affects blacks.



Colin Powell also seems to think class is the issue here.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 11:59 AM       
Forgive my reference, but I think it comes back to the John Edwards argument of "two Americas." I don't think any sort of conscious, overt racism played a part in it. Not much, anyway. I do think however that classism played a huge role in this, and one benefit of this may be that we begin to discuss such matters in this country again, since it tends to get to Americans when they see some of their countrymen (black, white, whatever) looking as if they were at the scene of a car bomb in Baghdad.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 12:23 PM       
I agree.

It will be interesting to see if the extreme right wing starts screaming about 'class warfare' when even Laura Bush and Colin Powell are talking about this being a matter of poverty.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 12:29 PM       
I have difficulty buying into the idea that labelling this classism is more appropriate then racism. For one thing, it sounds like a real Indymedia duncehead response to me... but mostly because I know there was about as many Middle Class Blacks caught up in the mess as poor Whites.... and the South is full of poor Whites....yet, New Orleans suffered some unique conditions that I can only attribute to the demographic.

What I keep stressing to people is that the racist actions were subtle. Just the idea that it's perfectly logical for Blacks to shoot rescue helicopters, decapitate heads, and rape babies is in itself a racist sentiment.

I'm also noticed people I know making some fairly bigoted statements, and verbalizing things they didn't mean to say out loud....there's something about this event that's making it okay for them to say these kind of things in defense. As if to say, there is a rational here because of their skin color. On the flip, I'm listening to people like Al Sharpton, and he sounds rational for a change! Then there was the Reverand with the Samaritan Church providing relief efforts who said "we have to help all Americans, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE", and nobody flinched. When Wynton Marsallas was interviewed early on during the week, and said "it's time we prove we're a Modern nation who cares about all people" it was very much in context, and people knew what he meant.

Another aspect I think people are overlooking here, is the disregard an hatred for the elderly.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 12:36 PM       
I think you are right about a lot of that.

I don't think it's really classism as in "I hate poor people, let them drown".

I think it's more in the nature of a disengagement from the poor, an indifference to them and a general feeling that people in the underclass are there because they are unworthy and that when terrible things happend to them, it's at least a little bit their fault and when we don't have to be in such as much of a rush to help them as we would be if it happened to richer people who didn't have it coming. Trent Lott's porch and all.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 12:53 PM       
a good article, long, but really good.

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html


TRIBES

(Folks, there's R-rated language throughout this thing. Normally I can edit it out; this time, not so much. I may do so later, but now I want to leave it as I wrote it.)





I’m generally an optimist, and it’s been my pleasure to be able to write mostly about the good and the noble things in our lives. But the events in the Gulf – of Mexico – have brought to a head a summer and a year that has been getting progressively uglier and more painful to watch.

Who can not see the way the country has changed, not since 9/11, but before that – since the 2000 election? Who cannot feel the split, the division, that rips like a shredding sail on a broken mast, canvas tearing like the sound of musketry, as the rigging falls to the deck?

This breaks my heart. It just breaks my heart into little pieces. I have said less and less as I see more and more, because deep in my core I still don’t want to believe that some Americans could willfully and consistently do such destructive things out of such petty and base motivations, things which in time will make the horrors of New Orleans look like a flea circus in a small tent, with the much larger carnival raging unseen in the background.

I’ve taken sides in these essays, obviously – that’s what I do. But I have never, until now, felt the need to take the gloves off and really let fly. I always feared I would regret it, later. I still do. Only now, I fear I will regret it worse if I do not.

So now we must look at Tribes.





Now please pay attention to this, because I’m not going to state it again, and if you don’t hear it now much mischief will follow:

I believe that the human animal – the raw material of our physical bodies – is essentially interchangeable. By this I mean that I could take the children of Fallujah and turn them all into Astronauts, convert Jewish babies into fanatical, mass-murdering SS guards, and shake a generation of the poorest Voodoo-worshippers in Haiti into a cadre of top-flight nuclear physicists, chemical engineers and computer scientists.

Race has nothing to do with this – precisely nothing. The mobs of murdering Hutus and swarms of slaughtering Serbs are as different racially as it is possible to be, and they are cut from precisely the same cloth.

I know this is so because there have been murdering scumbags of every stripe and color in the long history of the human race – which is depressing – and that these animals, at any given time, represent only a small percentage of the majority of people, also of every stripe and color – which is not. There is no corner on virtue, and no outpost of depravity. Human hearts are indistinguishable and interchangeable. Anyone who claims otherwise is, without further argument or statements necessary, a complete God-damned idiot.

Now, with that said – have we all heard that loud and clear? – there are light-years of difference in how various Tribes will behave.

Only a few minutes ago, I had the delightful opportunity to read the comment of a fellow who said he wished that white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself could have been herded into the Superdome Concentration Camp to see how much we like it. Absent, of course, was the fundamental truth of what he plainly does not have the eyes or the imagination to see, namely, that if the Superdome had been filled with white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself, it would not have been a refinery of horror, but rather a citadel of hope and order and restraint and compassion.

That has nothing to do with me being white. If the blacks and Hispanics and Jews and gays that I work with and associate with were there with me, it would have been that much better. That’s because the people I associate with – my Tribe – consists not of blacks and whites and gays and Hispanics and Asians, but of individuals who do not rape, murder, or steal. My Tribe consists of people who know that sometimes bad things happen, and that these are an opportunity to show ourselves what we are made of. My people go into burning buildings. My Tribe consists of organizers and self-starters, proud and self-reliant people who do not need to be told what to do in a crisis. My Tribe is not fearless; they are something better. They are courageous. My Tribe is honorable, and decent, and kind, and inventive. My Tribe knows how to give orders, and how to follow them. My Tribe knows enough about how the world works to figure out ways to boil water, ration food, repair structures, build and maintain makeshift latrines, and care for the wounded and the dead with respect and compassion.

There are some things my Tribe is not good at at all. My Tribe doesn’t make excuses. My Tribe will analyze failure and assign blame, but that is to make sure that we do better next time, and we never, ever waste valuable energy and time doing so while people are still in danger. My Tribe says, and in their heart completely believes that it’s the other guy that’s the hero. My Tribe does not believe that a single Man can cause, prevent or steer Hurricanes, and my Tribe does not and has never made someone else responsible for their own safety, and that of their loved ones.

My Tribe doesn’t fire on people risking their lives, coming to help us. My Tribe doesn’t curse such people because they arrived on Day Four, when we felt they should have been here before breakfast on Day One. We are grateful, not to say indebted, that they have come at all. My Tribe can’t eat Nike’s and we don’t know how to feed seven by boiling a wide-screen TV. My Tribe doesn’t give a sweet God Damn about what color the looters are, or what color the rescuers are, because we can plainly see before our very eyes that both those Tribes have colors enough to cover everyone in glory or in shame. My Tribe doesn’t see black and white skins. My Tribe only sees black and white hats, and the hat we choose to wear is the most personal decision we can make.

That’s the other thing, too – the most important thing. My Tribe thinks that while you are born into a Tribe, you do not have to stay there. Good people can join bad Tribes, and bad people can choose good ones. My Tribe thinks you choose your Tribe. That, more than anything, is what makes my Tribe unique.

I am so utterly and unabashedly proud of my Tribe, that my words haunt and mock me for their pale weakness and shameful inadequacy.





Membership in my Tribe is not free.

I have been the first person at four accident scenes. I have crawled into overturned cars on country roads, cars whose wheels were still spinning, and gone on hands and knees through broken glass to comfort strangers while uniformed policemen stood around outside and told jokes. I have put my triple-knit polyester chauffeur’s blazer over an elderly black woman hit by a bus and used my belt as a tourniquet to slow the dark spread of blood widening beneath her badly broken leg, and been amazed, every time, at how the sounds of approaching sirens seems to come almost before I have time to hold her hand and tell her she’s gonna be just fine.

I say this not to glorify myself – on the contrary. I am embarrassed to write such things. I am a pampered and lazy Hollywood TV editor who gets paid insane sums of money to do a cake job while much better people than me do this every day, for peanuts. There is nothing remotely heroic about me. I simply do what millions and millions and millions of my fellow Americans do every day, in ways large and small. They step up to the plate, not because they want to be heroes, but because someone has to do it. These simple people donate their time, their money, their food, their cars and their houses every single day, and ask and expect nothing in return, while a few miles away from me in Brentwood millionaire movie stars throw fabulous parties to remind each other how swell they are, then waltz out into their chauffeured limos with their tens or hundreds of millions of dollars firmly in place, feeling good that they had the chance to really make a difference by raising awareness of whichever cause they feel will most make up for their feelings of inadequacy and guilt by showing both themselves and us just how much better people they really are.

What kind of money could Barbra and Martin and Tim and Susan and Gwenneth and George and Steven and Viggo and Linda and Harvey and Brad and Angelina and Ben and all the rest – how much could they really put together, if they actually believed what they say – not to mention the cash available to the Malodorous Michigan Manatee of Mendacity? What kind of check could they write? $500 million would be less than 10% of every outspoken celebrities' combined wealth. That money could take every poor person in LA county and put them into much nicer apartments than the one I live in. They could, at a stroke, shame the President, the Congress, and the evil NeoCon warmongers by putting every displaced person in New Orleans in a Marriott for a year. They claim this is the kind of better human they have evolved into.

Why don’t they do it?

They don’t do it because that Tribe worships the golden statue of themselves, that’s why. A church-going pharmacist in Des Moines would be ashamed of herself for giving only 10% of her modest salary. But Sean Penn can take himself, an entourage and a personal photographer – that’s three or four people in a four-person boat – and show us all how incredibly big and down-home he is by sailing off a few feet to rescue people, before the boat sinks from the incompetence of failing to put in the drainage plug. He wore a very nice white flak vest, instead of the passé orange life preserver, because getting shot at is a lot more macho looking, if a million or so times less likely, than drowning because you went out into the water with a lead vest rather than a life vest. It’s a scene in the trailer that runs incessantly in their heads: In a world run by evil corporations, a rebel who plays by his own rules starts a deadly game of cat and mouse with an all-powerful conspiracy in this searing portrait of extraordinary courage in a life under siege, starring…me!

I was actually ready to publicly commend the guy, until I heard about the personal photographer. If he wanted to help people – and that’s all – he could have paid for that boat, and a few hundred others, manned them with reasonably competent recreational boaters, and sent out a flotilla. But no. It’s not about having people saved. It’s about something else entirely. It’s about having people saved by Sean Penn. That’s when I realized that whether it’s the Murderous Regime in Iraq, or the Murderous Regime in Iran, or the Murderous Storm in Louisiana…ultimately, it’s all about Sean Penn. Peace Be Upon Him.

But thank God we have people like him, and the rest of that vain, useless, smug, self-centered, incompetent, insecure and thoroughly broken Tribe to point out the error of our ways.

I hate those sons of bitches with all of my heart. And the fact that so much of our society has come to worship these shallow, egomaniacal dolts says a lot about where we are, and none of it is good.






Now this next point is so obvious, so simple and so self-evident that there is no way the deep thinkers of the far left will possibly be able to see it.

Let’s not talk about Black and White tribes… I know too many pathetic, hateful, racists and more decent, capable and kind people of both colors for that to make any sense at all. Do you not? Do you not know corrupt, ignorant, violent people, both black and white, to cure you of this elementary idiocy? Have you not met and talked and laughed with people who were funny, decent, upright, honest and honorable of every shade so that the very idea of racial politics should just seem like a desperate and divisive and just plain evil tactic to hold power?

If such a thing is not self-evident to you, please get off my property. Right now. I should tell you I own a gun and I know how to use it. I assure you that the pleasure I would take in shooting you would be temporary, minimal, and deeply regretted later.

Now, for the rest of you, let’s get past Republican and Democrat, Red and Blue, too. Let’s talk about these two Tribes: Pink, the color of bunny ears, and Grey, the color of a mechanical pencil lead.

I live in both worlds. In entertainment, everything is Pink, the color of Angelyne’s Stingray – it’s exciting and dynamic and glamorous. I’m also a pilot, and I know honest-to-God rocket scientists, and combat flight crews and Special Ops guys -- stone-cold Grey, all of them -- and am proud and deeply honored to call them my friends.

The Pink Tribe is all about feeling good: feeling good about yourself! Sexually, emotionally, artistically – nothing is off limits, nothing is forbidden, convention is fossilized insanity and everybody gets to do their own thing without regard to consequences, reality, or natural law. We all have our own reality – one small personal reality is called “science,” say – and we Make Our Own Luck and we Visualize Good Things and There Are No Coincidences and Everything Happens for a Reason and You Can Be Whatever You Want to Be and we all have Special Psychic Powers and if something Bad should happen it’s because Someone Bad Made It Happen. A Spell, perhaps.

The Pink Tribe motto, in fact, is the ultimate Zen Koan, the sound of one hand clapping: EVERYBODY IS SPECIAL.

Then, in the other corner, there is the Grey Tribe – the grey of reinforced concrete. This is a Tribe where emotion is repressed because Emotion Clouds Judgment. This is the world of Quadratic Equations and Stress Risers and Loads Torsional, Compressive and Tensile, a place where Reality Can Ruin Your Best Day, the place where Murphy mercilessly picks off the Weak and the Incompetent, where the Speed Limit is 186,282.36 miles per second, where every bridge has a Failure Load and levees come in 50 year, 100 year and 1000 Year Flood Flavors.

The Grey Tribe motto is, near as I can tell, THINGS BREAK SOMETIMES AND PLEASE DON’T LET IT BE MY BRIDGE.

Now, let’s do a little free associating, just to take the model for a test spin:

I’m going to throw out some names, and you tell me whether you think they are Pink or Grey? Okay? Ready?

Donald Rumsfield.
Al Sharpton.
Bill Clinton.
Ted Kennedy.
George W. Bush.
Condoleeza Rice.

Okay, my score is Grey, Pink, Pink, Pink, Grey and Grey. Easy, right? Dems = Pink, Repubs = Grey. Now how about these?

John Kennedy
Abraham Lincoln
Ronald Reagan
Franklin Roosevelt

These are more interesting, because there is something very Pink, something warm and emotional and comforting about them. Put all four of them at a dinner table (which I would trade the rest of my life to serve ice water for) and I think you would see four warm, gentle, bright and genuinely funny men.

Now, think:

Cuban Missile Crisis
Fredericksburg
Reykjavik
Pearl Harbor

I get solid Grey scores here. What about you? I get tough, hard-nosed, capable, competent, confident men facing evil straight in the eye and not backing down. (And anyone who even thinks about selling short Reykjavik as a symbol for those eight years of steadfast resolution should see my gun warning, above).

Also, I see two Democrats and two Republicans. Opposing parties. Same Tribe.

Now, when things are going swimmingly, when the End of History has arrived, as it did in the 90’s, having a Pink president (careful!) is no big deal. In fact, it’s a downright advantage. He can be a goodwill ambassador, and charm the pants (you heard me!) off of foreign dignitaries and have everyone cooing and gushing about how swell Americans are once the fascists are out of power.

Now, unfortunately for Pink Power, there remain in the world a few people not impressed by this attitude.

Not long ago, National Geographic ran a really first-rate, 4-hour documentary called INSIDE 9/11, as perfect an example as you could possibly want of the power of a real documentary to enlighten and inform without taking sides.

Watching it was horrible, especially for people like me, because we feel like if we had only known what was going on we could have done something about it.

A few weeks ago, a reader was kind enough to send me a link about a theory and seminar called The Bulletproof Mind, written by Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman. Just the small blurb I read enlarged my mental horizon by an order of magnitude, because it clarified many of the confusing things I have been feeling as so much of the country plunges deeper into irresponsibility, fantasy, bitterness and delusion.

I excerpt a small portion of it here, without permission, in the hope that those of you who are serious about surviving things like Katrina will go here and buy it.

Lt. Colonel Grossman, a far better man than me, a man who does things I only talk about, writes in his introduction to The Bulletproof Mind:

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."

This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million total Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, "We intimidate those who intimidate others."

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

He continues:

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. As Kipling said in his poem about "Tommy" the British soldier:

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that,
an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir,"
when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys,
there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir,"
when there's trouble in the wind.

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

While there is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, he does have one real advantage -- only one. He is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

[Emphasis mine – BW]

And that is how I felt watching every minute of that 4 hour documentary.

I could have done something.

If I had known, if I had only known, I could have run over that evil, sick son of a bitch Mohammed Atta in the parking lot. I could have been on one of those airplanes. They only had box cutters, for the love of God! Those seat cushions have straps on the back for floatation; they’d make excellent shields against a goddam two inch blade. Ladies, listen carefully…when I say go, you throw your shoes and cell phones and these little liquor bottles and cushions and whatever you can, just throw them right in the face of these cocksuckers and guys, when we get up there we need to kill them, fast, just break their fucking necks, just stomp on their heads until they are dead, because I know how to land a goddam airplane and…and…

Now of course, right at this moment there are people without honor or courage who read that and think this is one big jerk-off chickenhawk fantasy and on some level I guess it is. All I can tell you is that watching that show, I wished to God I had been on one of those planes, asking only that we knew what only Flight 93 knew, and that was the fate that was waiting for us if we did nothing.

Because everybody dies. Even liberals. And all I can say is that I believe in my heart that I would rather die for something bigger than myself than lead a life where nothing is more important than me. I admit freely that were I actually there I might freeze up, and wet my pants, and hide behind a stewardess, because you can never really know until you are there. But my times on the highways late at night, and with the only engine silent at 9000 feet over the South Georgia pine forests and at 400 feet climbing out of Prescott Arizona on Christmas day reassure me, a little, that perhaps I might do okay. Just as well as a common person, a common American person in a crisis – that’s all I pray for.

Much has been said regarding how much more massive an event Katrina is relative to lower Manhattan. But the fact remains that firemen went up the stairs when people were coming down, and one ordinary group of people on an ordinary flight on an ordinary day defeated the very best that the global terror network could put together. Our ladies junior varsity squad whipped the living shit out of their Super Bowl A-team over Pennsylvania that day, and they did it because for one brief shining moment enough passengers on that airplane went Grey.

And in Louisiana last week the governor cried and the mayor blamed everyone but himself, and half the country bought every single stinking Pink lie about global warming and missing National Guard units and blamed the sheepdogs while the wolves raped and pillaged and looted everything in sight.

Hundreds of New York firemen and policemen never came home, never came home, but New Orleans Police Chief P. Edwin Compass III said, of his men, “If I put you out on the street and made you get into gun battles all day with no place to urinate and no place to defecate, I don’t think you’d be too happy either… Our vehicles can’t get any gas. The water in the street is contaminated. My officers are walking around in wet shoes.”

Well, Chief, I’m sorry your men’s feet are wet, but getting their feet wet is part of their fucking job. New York’s Finest aren’t complaining about wet feet or places to pee because they died doing their jobs. They were sheepdogs.

Here is a video of New Orleans finest helping themselves at WalMart.

So, on one hand, we have a very blue city – New York – confronted, out of the clear morning of a perfect fall day, with no warning – with a terror attack, and they march toward the sounds of screams and falling bodies and die by the hundreds. One the other hand, we have New Orleans law enforcement – also blue – whining about wet shoes and helping themselves to the happy period of lawlessness that followed an event that had been expected for no less than seventy-two hours.

In New York, we had a governor who got every available resource on the ground as fast as it could get there, and in Louisiana we have a governor who...cried. Governor, your job is to not cry. Your job is to be strong. We have plenty of civilians crying. You want to cry, cry in the car on the way home like everybody else did four years ago. Crying Governors, race-baiting mayors and looting police do not a Finest Hour make.

In New Orleans we have a mayor who left some 400-500 buses sitting fueled and underwater in the Ray Nagin Memorial Motor Pool saying that evil white conservative America was selling out his people within 24 hours of the catastrophe, from a safe and dry and adequately toileted location, while four years ago we had a Mayor who ran to the site of the disaster so quickly it is a full-blown miracle he was not killed when a building collapsed literally on top of his magnificent, combed-over head.

Now, much has been made of the fact that Ray Nagin is an incompetent, race-baiting black man, and Rudy Giuliani, who was neither, is white. Also, feminists are upset that people dare attack Governor Blanco because she is incompetent, weak, indecisive, and also a woman. And no doubt there are salivating long-haired, short-cortexed idiots just waiting for this to be over so they can sail into the comments section and tell me what a racist and misogynist I am.

Well, here’s the news flash: Nagin isn’t incompetent because he’s black. He’s incompetent because he’s incompetent. Condoleeza Rice is black. Colin Powell is black. Ted Kennedy, a man well-acquainted with rising water crises is as white as they come. Kennedy is incompetent; Rice and Powell are two of the most competent people on the planet.

This is about tribes, all right: not black and white tribes, but rather a battle between the capable and the culpable.

Same holds for Governor Blanco. She’s not weak because she’s a woman, or because she’s a Democrat. Truman was a democrat. The Buck stopped there. She’s weak and indecisive because that is the individual she is. I wish history could work with variables: I’d love to see what Margaret Thatcher would have done in such a case. It would not only have been better, it would have been good. That woman was tough. She could be Grey as granite. And, for this, the Pink Tribe despises her.

Now it may come as a shock to those foreign luminaries who come to lecture us on how an American city leveled by forces roughly equivelent to a nuclear explosion reduce it to something "like a third world country."

This difference being lost on them seems to be this: in an American city there is garbage on the streets and people wander around looking for food and water, AFTER BEING LEVELED BY A CAT 5 HURRICANE, which is the storm swell of the Dec. 2004 tsunami, plus winds, extending inland not for two or three miles but for two or three HUNDRED MILES. In a third world country, people living in stacks of garbage, searching for food and water happens EVERY STINKING DAY. That is the NORM.

It may come as a bit of a shock to these worldly sophisticates, who are so quick to point out how parochial and ignorant we simple folk are, that the United States of America has local, state and federal governments! And that this is the order in which crises are dealt with!

A person of some modest education might have remembered that the worship and adulation fostered after 9/11 was for the NYPD and the FDNY. No one was buying FEMA hats after 9/11, because FEMA is essentially a mop-up agency. It's the first responders, the local governments, that will determine if a city will live or die. The State -- that means, the "governor"-- has the sole authority to mobilize the National Guard, and the governor of the state of Louisana was not only slow to do that, she turned down NG assistance from several OTHER states as well. The President does not have the authority to drop precious egg salad sandwiches from Michael Moore's missing helicopters. We do this ON PURPOSE. We limit the power of the federal government, as those of us fortunate enough to have spent time in Civics, rather than Self Esteem classes, are aware. This is so that we do not develop a central power so strong that eventually we end up with idiot inbred royals, or Presidentes for life, on the face of OUR money.

Now, if the critics on the far left are saying that George W Bush needs more power, then by all means let's amend the Constitution before Hurricane season ends. Me, I'm agin' it. I think the man has enough to do, really, besides worry about how many water bottles need to be kept in the basement of the courthouse in Alachua county, Florida and take down the names of every potential bus driver in Torrance California, not to mention the name of every first responder in every town and county in every state of the Union. I've noticed they are not shy about criticizing his performance as President. That's legitimate, because that's his job. His job is not to tell the Mayor of New Orleans which buses need to be at which corners at what times and with what drivers to pick up which people and take them to which destinations. That's the mayor's job.

It's always such a pleasure to have Germans enlighten us on the best way to move large groups of sick, downtrodden people by rail. The only motivation I can ascribe to such behavior is that same one that propels young dim boys to tear the wings off flies.





Here is the Grey philosophy I try to live by:

Sometimes, Bad Things Happen. Some things are beyond my control, beyond the control of the smartest and best people we have, even beyond the awesome, subtle and unlimited control of the simpering, sub-human village idiot from Texas.

Hurricanes come. They have come for all of human history, and more are coming. Barbarians also come to steal or destroy what they cannot make themselves, and they, like human tempests, have swept a path of destruction through civilization since before history was written on clay tablets on the banks of the Euphrates.

I am not a wolf. I have never harmed a person in my life. But I am not a sheep, either. I know these forces are out there, and wishing it were not so will not only not make them go away – it will rob me of my chance to kick their ass when they show up.

I am a sheepdog - an amateur, stand-by sheepdog. Police officers and elected officials get paid to be sheepdogs. Sheepdogs don’t cry, and they don’t complain about wet feet, and they don’t wail about conspiracies while waiting for the help that they themselves are sworn to provide.

Also, unlike so many in the ‘reality-based’ community, I do not believe in a deity. For instance, I don’t believe that a single god-king can summon storms, hypnotize entire populations and be the focus for evil in the world. Many people refer to Iraq as George Bush’s war, a charge I find shockingly unfair -- to me. I voted for him in 2004, and I support that war in earnest. In future billboards, I would like to be mentioned as having Kids Die in George Bush and Bill Whittle’s War for Oil, and I expect the new crop of MoveOn bumper stickers to say DEFEND AMERICA: STOP BUSH AND WHITTLE. I’m tired of being left out of this. George Bush did not take over the White House with a six-shooter; people voted him into office with the biggest number of votes in American history. I’m one of those people, and damn you liberal cheapskate sons of bitches, I demand my equal time.






On the subject of disasters man-made and natural, one more thing from INSIDE 9/11 rings a powerful bell with me. At the very end, as Osama makes his way out of Afghanistan and into hiding, he tells an Al Jazeera reporter his motivations for the 9/11 attack. In his own words, to the friendly folks back home, he explains that his goal was to hurt America so badly that we would have no choice but to go after him and start the world-wide jihad that would result in him becoming the new Caliph, ruling from his recently completed palace outside Kandahar. He had seen much of the Pink tribe in his formative years, seen weakness and retreat in places like Somalia. He thought he had our number but he made the mistake of having perhaps the least Pink individual in modern history in the White House. He made a worse mistake in flying his murdering deathbots into a town that looked Pink, that was painted Pink from head to toe, but whose foundation was rock-solid granite Grey.

If I had gotten my 2000 voting wish and Al Gore had been president that day, would he have been Grey enough to knock that entire regime over and carry the fight to the rest of the region? Or would he have issued Stern Warnings and Worked With Our Allies and gotten the UN to Issue a Major Ultimatum?

I don’t know.

But I do know, that there, in his own words, the wolf said why he did what he did: he wanted to provoke War with the US, and would do whatever was necessary to accomplish it. And if we had not given him this war, he would have kept striking until he got what he was looking for. Nothing about US foreign policy, no word about injustice for the Palestinians or Evil Corporations or any of that. No, he said he wanted to start a war with the US. And so he has it. And he would have done whatever he had to do to get it.

And they will strike again, and those silent, dogged sheepdogs who have succeeded so many times in the dark silent hours will miss a scent somewhere, and more people will die and that's what we can expect. Not dying of Influenza or Black Death, not being steamrollered under Nazi jackboots or watching Mongol hordes swarming towards us over the horizon as we run for the city walls. None of that. Only this.

And when they come, storms man-made and natural, what will the sheepdog/sheep ratio be? Enough?

Now, when Pink Tribesmen say that these people can be reasoned with, they are doing what sheep do: living in denial.

Because to say we are responsible for the terrorists in the world is a way to say we can control this wolf. If we believe we made him, then that means we control him. We can unmake him. Such a worldview appeals to the left, because it gives them Godlike Mental Powers. All we have to do is act differently and he will go away. It’s complete moral cowardice, of course – but it’s understandable cowardice. It’s denial, because if all the sins are ours then all we must do is repent and the wolf will go away.

But that’s not what the wolf says. The wolf is not interested in what we do. He does not spare little lambs because they rub up against his leg and make cooing sounds. The wolf wants to swallow us whole. He wants the fight. He wants the war and the conflict. And he will keep on huffing and puffing until one of three things happen: We show him our throat, for him to rip out; or we convert to Islam and become part of his Caliphate; or we head out into the forest with a shotgun and blow his fucking head off.

I made my decision by about 9:30 eastern on September 11th, 2001. I have never regretted it.

It takes courage to fight oncoming storms. Courage.

Courage isn’t free. It is taught, taught by certain tribes who have been around enough and seen enough incoming storms to know what one looks like. And I think the people of this nation, and those of New Orleans, specifically, desire and deserve some fundamental lessons in courage.

Because we are going to need it.
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So idiotic!!!
So much of this makes me violently ill it's not even worth bothering.

Conveniant that he picks Hatian voodoo folks as the polar opposite for rocket scientists when talking about New Orleans.

Italian - what about this actually speaks to you? It's divisive, and based in some alternate reality where THOSE people are responsible for THOSE problems...and who are THOSE people? Well, they're THOSE people of course. Oh. Of course. Re-write that and replace the terms grey and pink or whatever the fuck he uses and replace it back with the racial terms he's disguising and that's a real piece of shit scary essay.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 02:29 PM       
"Only a few minutes ago, I had the delightful opportunity to read the comment of a fellow who said he wished that white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself could have been herded into the Superdome Concentration Camp to see how much we like it. Absent, of course, was the fundamental truth of what he plainly does not have the eyes or the imagination to see, namely, that if the Superdome had been filled with white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself, it would not have been a refinery of horror, but rather a citadel of hope and order and restraint and compassion."

I stopped reading here.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 03:27 PM       
should've read a little further.

"That has nothing to do with me being white. If the blacks and Hispanics and Jews and gays that I work with and associate with were there with me, it would have been that much better. That’s because the people I associate with – my Tribe – consists not of blacks and whites and gays and Hispanics and Asians, but of individuals who do not rape, murder, or steal. My Tribe consists of people who know that sometimes bad things happen, and that these are an opportunity to show ourselves what we are made of. My people go into burning buildings. My Tribe consists of organizers and self-starters, proud and self-reliant people who do not need to be told what to do in a crisis. My Tribe is not fearless; they are something better. They are courageous. My Tribe is honorable, and decent, and kind, and inventive. My Tribe knows how to give orders, and how to follow them. My Tribe knows enough about how the world works to figure out ways to boil water, ration food, repair structures, build and maintain makeshift latrines, and care for the wounded and the dead with respect and compassion."
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Jesus, talk about ivory towers!

Its pretty fucking easy to portray yourself and your 'tribe' as a saintly order of completely faultless human beings when you arent in that situation. Ludicrous.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 04:01 PM       
I thought that was an amazingly arrogant piece.

His tribe would have made the Superdome a citadel of hope? He knows this?

In the concentration camps, there were Saints and Kapos. But mostly there were beaten, down broken people waiting to die. That's the nature of human beings under duress and I think it's lovely this guy thinks his Tribe has dibs on being swell no matter what, but I doubt it. There may well be a tribe like the one he's talking about, but it's way smaller than he thinks, and no one knows if they belong to it until they've been in the Superdome for twenty four in sweltering heat, with no fresh air, no toilets, no food, no water, no idea what was happening.

There's a word for this guy thinking he knows who his tribe is and how it would behave. It's called Hubris.

And that's after you get past the assumption that, while his tribe is not exclussively white and middle class, white middle class folks would have created te citadel of hope. It's very big of him to include darker folks and gayer folks but this story boils down to him being certain he's made of better stuff than other people and the implication that those other people deserve what they get.

Does he think that the vast majority of people in the superdome were on a parr with the fractional percentage of them that raped and murdered, that if you don't forge the citadel of hope than you belong in a 'tribe' with murderers and rapists?

This guy sucks my butt, eye tie. I have a value he ought to take a look at, one that Jesus was very big on. It's called compassion.

Who is this guy? Does he have a name? Is he always this proud of himself?
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Well said burbank.

My guess is his tribe would have been the same people who gave David Duke a legit run at Governorship a while back...

I'm seeing this essay posted ALL over the damn interweb. People are eating it up.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 04:15 PM       
I read all the way to the "pink" and "grey" bullshit.

Despite the fact that he's not saying "******s" and "whites" or even "poor" and "rich" he is still painting his world in terms of "us" and "them" where if you are one of "us" then you stand for everything that is good and selfless where if you are one of "them" you stand for everything the is base and wicked. I wonder which tribe he lumps the homeless into?

I think this guy made some great points about racism, but I'd bet this guy gets nervous around black people who dress like rappers.

"I hate those sons of bitches with all of my heart. And the fact that so much of our society has come to worship these shallow, egomaniacal dolts says a lot about where we are, and none of it is good. "

I don't worship Sean Penn. I think he's an overrated actor, if I think of him at all. I don't know anyone who does for that matter, and I know quite a few hedonists. Some of these same hedonists would give you the shirt off their back if you were really in need, but that's just the kind of person I like for a friend. Their "goodness" is in their heart. It's not in their skin, their class, their tribe, or any such thing.

And I don't see how it's fair for him to only call for "liberal" millionaires to give 10% of their money to charity and not call "conservative" millionaires to the same task. Especially when he doesn't KNOW what anyone has given, except in the case where they made a big deal of "look at ME, look how much I gave" which is the very sort of activity he is condeming!!
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the parts of this essay that speak to me:

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Only a few minutes ago, I had the delightful opportunity to read the comment of a fellow who said he wished that white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself could have been herded into the Superdome Concentration Camp to see how much we like it. Absent, of course, was the fundamental truth of what he plainly does not have the eyes or the imagination to see, namely, that if the Superdome had been filled with white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself, it would not have been a refinery of horror, but rather a citadel of hope and order and restraint and compassion.

That has nothing to do with me being white. If the blacks and Hispanics and Jews and gays that I work with and associate with were there with me, it would have been that much better. That’s because the people I associate with – my Tribe – consists not of blacks and whites and gays and Hispanics and Asians, but of individuals who do not rape, murder, or steal.
desperation is understandable, but the abandonment of humanity is not. there is no excuse, not hunger or thirst or the discomfort of displacement, for rape and murder. even animals will shit in the corner.

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What kind of money could Barbra and Martin and Tim and Susan and Gwenneth and George and Steven and Viggo and Linda and Harvey and Brad and Angelina and Ben and all the rest – how much could they really put together, if they actually believed what they say – not to mention the cash available to the Malodorous Michigan Manatee of Mendacity? What kind of check could they write? $500 million would be less than 10% of every outspoken celebrities' combined wealth. That money could take every poor person in LA county and put them into much nicer apartments than the one I live in. They could, at a stroke, shame the President, the Congress, and the evil NeoCon warmongers by putting every displaced person in New Orleans in a Marriott for a year. They claim this is the kind of better human they have evolved into.

Why don’t they do it?

They don’t do it because that Tribe worships the golden statue of themselves, that’s why. A church-going pharmacist in Des Moines would be ashamed of herself for giving only 10% of her modest salary. But Sean Penn can take himself, an entourage and a personal photographer – that’s three or four people in a four-person boat – and show us all how incredibly big and down-home he is by sailing off a few feet to rescue people, before the boat sinks from the incompetence of failing to put in the drainage plug. He wore a very nice white flak vest, instead of the passé orange life preserver, because getting shot at is a lot more macho looking, if a million or so times less likely, than drowning because you went out into the water with a lead vest rather than a life vest. It’s a scene in the trailer that runs incessantly in their heads: In a world run by evil corporations, a rebel who plays by his own rules starts a deadly game of cat and mouse with an all-powerful conspiracy in this searing portrait of extraordinary courage in a life under siege, starring…me!

I was actually ready to publicly commend the guy, until I heard about the personal photographer. If he wanted to help people – and that’s all – he could have paid for that boat, and a few hundred others, manned them with reasonably competent recreational boaters, and sent out a flotilla. But no. It’s not about having people saved. It’s about something else entirely. It’s about having people saved by Sean Penn. That’s when I realized that whether it’s the Murderous Regime in Iraq, or the Murderous Regime in Iran, or the Murderous Storm in Louisiana…ultimately, it’s all about Sean Penn. Peace Be Upon Him.
I understand Kanye West is giving a fair amount of his personal wealth to the hurricane relief efforts, and I respect him for that, despite his comments earlier on. I'm willing to bet that, for most of the other celebrities, this is a chance to stroke their egos instead of do some good. I've given money of my own, money that I really can't afford to lose, and I've volunteered with many of the churches here in San Antonio to provide relief. I'm not just speaking out of my ass.

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Now this next point is so obvious, so simple and so self-evident that there is no way the deep thinkers of the far left will possibly be able to see it.

Let’s not talk about Black and White tribes… I know too many pathetic, hateful, racists and more decent, capable and kind people of both colors for that to make any sense at all. Do you not? Do you not know corrupt, ignorant, violent people, both black and white, to cure you of this elementary idiocy? Have you not met and talked and laughed with people who were funny, decent, upright, honest and honorable of every shade so that the very idea of racial politics should just seem like a desperate and divisive and just plain evil tactic to hold power?

If such a thing is not self-evident to you, please get off my property. Right now. I should tell you I own a gun and I know how to use it. I assure you that the pleasure I would take in shooting you would be temporary, minimal, and deeply regretted later.
the race issue again. I'm so fucking sick of the race issue that I could cry and then, I don't know, run over someone or something.

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Much has been said regarding how much more massive an event Katrina is relative to lower Manhattan. But the fact remains that firemen went up the stairs when people were coming down, and one ordinary group of people on an ordinary flight on an ordinary day defeated the very best that the global terror network could put together. Our ladies junior varsity squad whipped the living shit out of their Super Bowl A-team over Pennsylvania that day, and they did it because for one brief shining moment enough passengers on that airplane went Grey.

And in Louisiana last week the governor cried and the mayor blamed everyone but himself, and half the country bought every single stinking Pink lie about global warming and missing National Guard units and blamed the sheepdogs while the wolves raped and pillaged and looted everything in sight.

Hundreds of New York firemen and policemen never came home, never came home, but New Orleans Police Chief P. Edwin Compass III said, of his men, “If I put you out on the street and made you get into gun battles all day with no place to urinate and no place to defecate, I don’t think you’d be too happy either… Our vehicles can’t get any gas. The water in the street is contaminated. My officers are walking around in wet shoes.”

Well, Chief, I’m sorry your men’s feet are wet, but getting their feet wet is part of their fucking job. New York’s Finest aren’t complaining about wet feet or places to pee because they died doing their jobs. They were sheepdogs.
this situation calls for a bit of the old stiff upper lip. get some backbone and get the fucking job done. if you're not getting help from the government or whoever you THINK you need to rely on, then get the fuck up and do it yourself. I can't feel any sympathy for the governor or the mayor, especially after reading reports of their gross mismanagement of levee funds and disaster relief funds. why did they take money that was supposed to improve the levees and deepen a commercial canal that is rarely used by another six feet?
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desperation is understandable, but the abandonment of humanity is not. there is no excuse, not hunger or thirst or the discomfort of displacement, for rape and murder. even animals will shit in the corner.
So would failing to meet the needs of disaster victims count as an "abandonment of humanity"??? If all of those relief agencies and mechanisms that are put in place to help those who become victims of these sort of fail, and people are abandoned in a convention center, in a sporting arena, by their city, state, and country, who precisely do they owe cordiality and civility to????

People are fucking pissed, and they have every right to be. I like to think I wouldn't loot, wouldn't steal, mug, or become violent. It's also great to make those guarantees from my computer desk.


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I'm willing to bet that, for most of the other celebrities, this is a chance to stroke their egos instead of do some good. I've given money of my own, money that I really can't afford to lose, and I've volunteered with many of the churches here in San Antonio to provide relief. I'm not just speaking out of my ass.
The problem with this argument, like with what Vince said, is that it sounds like an attempt to qualify sincerity. If I told you that some of those above mentioned celebrities were giving loads of cash, and were in fact helping out, would that make their opinions more valid???

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the race issue again. I'm so fucking sick of the race issue that I could cry and then, I don't know, run over someone or something.
Right, but you've contested the "race issue" with a fluffy blog article which talks about color coded tribes. Not exactly the best way to dispute the "race issue" in my mind....


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this situation calls for a bit of the old stiff upper lip. get some backbone and get the fucking job done. if you're not getting help from the government or whoever you THINK you need to rely on, then get the fuck up and do it yourself. I can't feel any sympathy for the governor or the mayor, especially after reading reports of their gross mismanagement of levee funds and disaster relief funds. why did they take money that was supposed to improve the levees and deepen a commercial canal that is rarely used by another six feet?
Again, i think your facts are a bit slanted. I've also read about the levee funds, and to my understanding, they needed to pay the engineers who started the work, even though the job wasn't complete.

You can preach about a "stiff upper lip" and not relying on government and all that jazz, but I think that debate is often great for internet message boards and for folks (like myself) who have never had to do a whole lot of lip stiffening, at least not of this magnitude.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 06:33 PM       
"desperation is understandable, but the abandonment of humanity is not. there is no excuse, not hunger or thirst or the discomfort of displacement, for rape and murder. "

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single individual who thinks tyat any aspect of the hurricane and it's aftermath are an excuse for rape or murder. Seriously, is anyone saying that? What percentage of the several thousand people in the Superdome do you think were comitting rape or murder? Those people should be found and should face the full penalty of the law, obviously. Since no one thinks rape and murder are excusable, I suspect these terms are being used as substitutes for Looting and robery. I think some of the looting (and all of the assaults and muggings) and inexcusable but a lot of the other looting (food, water, diapers, medicine and things to trade for food, water, diapers and medicine) are totally excusable. I think this sort of tirade is a bullshit excuse to say that the people of New Orleans were in some way deserving of their poverty and deserving of the fact that an incompetant government failed to do it's duty. AND I think doing good and stroking ones ego are not mutually exclussive activities. You know who's done some of the most effective rescue and relief work in the gulf so far? Walmart. Any idea what I think of their motivations? But I'm really, really glad they are doing even if it's only to improve their deservedly rotten PR. Bravo. I wish everyone took their shitty motivations and did good things with them. Sean Penn is a loudmouth, overated, egotistical actor. He's also a guy who got in a boat and rescued people when he could have been in a five star hotel getting blown by a small crowd of whatever sort of people he likes. Bravo. And bravo to you for giving time and money and I have no reason to question or care about your motivation.

"A church-going pharmacist in Des Moines would be ashamed of herself for giving only 10% of her modest salary. But Sean Penn can take himself, an entourage and a personal photographer – that’s three or four people in a four-person boat – and show us all how incredibly big and down-home he is by sailing off a few feet to rescue people, before the boat sinks from the incompetence of failing to put in the drainage plug."

That's a nice bit of guess work, and it may well be true, except for the part about the pharmacist who is a fictional construct invented for the purpose of his argument as opposed to Sean Penn, who, bloviated though he may be has the distinct advantage of existing. Lets see a fictional pharmacist even get in a boat. This guy doesn't like Sean Penn. Neither do I. But he's just a fucking actor. I don't expect him to come down and help out at all. It's not as if he's a fireman or a guy employed by Fema or the President of the United States.

"That’s when I realized that whether it’s the Murderous Regime in Iraq, or the Murderous Regime in Iran, or the Murderous Storm in Louisiana…ultimately, it’s all about Sean Penn."

Maybe that's true for Sean Penn. maybe it's even true for members of the Sean Penn fan club if there is one, but SO WHAT? Okay, Okay, I get it, Sean Penn is a metaphor for the evil, self absorbed celebrity worshipping TRIBE. Know what? I agree. They're all assholes. But honestly, they don't get in my way that much and if you rounded 'em up and shoved 'em in the superdome, I don't think there'd be any more raping and killing than if you shoved this Asshole and all his TRIBE in there. AND I don't think any of them would have established a blessed hope beacon either. Sean thinks it's all about ean, and this guy thinks it's all about his TRIBE best exemplified by him, who by the way I still have no name for. Does this piece have an author or is he anonymous?

"If such a thing is not self-evident to you, please get off my property. Right now. I should tell you I own a gun and I know how to use it. I assure you that the pleasure I would take in shooting you would be temporary, minimal, and deeply regretted later. "

What is this, Vinth on good grammar? "I hate people who believe blacks and whites face some inherently different problems on account of the color of their skin so much, I'd kill them".

"I'm so fucking sick of the race issue that I could cry and then, I don't know, run over someone or something. "

You know I think it's much more about class than race, and I'm just asking here... do you think there is no race issue? Is America all cool on tyhe whole Black/Whitething these days?

"I can't feel any sympathy for the governor or the mayor, especially after reading reports of their gross mismanagement of levee funds and disaster relief funds. why did they take money that was supposed to improve the levees and deepen a commercial canal that is rarely used by another six feet?"

Fair enough. I may well agree. Can you feel any sympathy for Brownie and Bushy and Chertoffy?

As for 9/11, A friend of mine from New Orleans who was lucky enough to own car and live outside of the city to begin with put it like this. There is no comparison between Katrina and 9/11. If planes had still been hitting buildings on 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/15 etc. No disrespect at all for the heroic souls of New York or on the plane over Pensylvania. But wait a while, will you? I promise there will be plenty of heroic stories coming out of New Orleans, and there will be plenty of Grey stories even though the vast majority of really poor people in NO are, demographically, black. I've spent a good deal of time in NYC and I promise you, had 9/11 been an ongoing phenomenon, you'd have seen plenty of looting, raping, and pillaging.

It's nice this guys got such healthy self esteem. But my guess is if you take a few thousand people and put them in a really shitty situation, a few will behave really badly, a few will behave really well, and a whole lot will stand around looking confused and unhappy. That's the tribe I come from. It's called the human race. Fuck this no name dipstick. He needs to gt of my lawn. I have a boot and I know where to put it. And you know what? I wouldn't regret it the least little bit afterwards.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 06:35 PM       
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So would failing to meet the needs of disaster victims count as an "abandonment of humanity"??? If all of those relief agencies and mechanisms that are put in place to help those who become victims of these sort of fail, and people are abandoned in a convention center, in a sporting arena, by their city, state, and country, who precisely do they owe cordiality and civility to????

People are fucking pissed, and they have every right to be. I like to think I wouldn't loot, wouldn't steal, mug, or become violent. It's also great to make those guarantees from my computer desk.
people have every right to be pissed, yes, their entire lives have been turned around. does this give anyone the right or the justification to revert to the most base and savage aspects of humanity? there is NO justification for rape, NO justification for murder, and NO justification for looting, beyond what is needed by some to survive.

besides, I've seen plenty of aid going out to these people.

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The problem with this argument, like with what Vince said, is that it sounds like an attempt to qualify sincerity. If I told you that some of those above mentioned celebrities were giving loads of cash, and were in fact helping out, would that make their opinions more valid???
anyone who puts forth effort and aid has more validity in their opinion than someone who does nothing. most celebrities expect the power of their image and their name to be enough, but it isn't. most of these people aren't humanitarians at all.

I believe the old saying goes "never argue politics with the man commanding a legion."

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Right, but you've contested the "race issue" with a fluffy blog article which talks about color coded tribes. Not exactly the best way to dispute the "race issue" in my mind....
what I took from the article isn't actually about race. don't dig too deeply, it's about people who do something and those who expect something to be done for them.

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Again, i think your facts are a bit slanted. I've also read about the levee funds, and to my understanding, they needed to pay the engineers who started the work, even though the job wasn't complete.

You can preach about a "stiff upper lip" and not relying on government and all that jazz, but I think that debate is often great for internet message boards and for folks (like myself) who have never had to do a whole lot of lip stiffening, at least not of this magnitude.
maybe mine are slanted, maybe yours are. I guess it depends on the accuracy of the source.

all I'm saying is, instead of blaming the government, Bush, whatever, it's time for these people to really buckle down and make things better for themselves. I've spent hours helping displaced refugess find jobs, providing food and clothing, and I've helped a lot of them talk through everything that's happened to them. most of them want to get their lives in order as quickly as possible, it's just a matter of getting it done.
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there is no excuse, not hunger or thirst or the discomfort of displacement, for rape and murder. even animals will shit in the corner.
1 animal in 1 cage will shit in the corner. 20 animals in a cage large enough for 10 will kill their own packmates.

not that it is a fine and dandy thing to act like an animal, but if you have never known desperation then you have no basis for analyzing desperate acts.
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anyone who puts forth effort and aid has more validity in their opinion than someone who does nothing. most celebrities expect the power of their image and their name to be enough, but it isn't. most of these people aren't humanitarians at all.
Dude, you have NO WAY of knowing ANY of that.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 06:53 PM       
It's one thing to be sick of the race issue (we all are) ...and it's a whole other thing to debunk it's roll entirely. Maybe if people weren't denying it, then it wouldn't be such a hot topic at the moment. Let's not forget, that in 2005 it was a liberating moment when our media actually acknowledged the race, and income status of the people they were photographing. As I've said in previous posts, the community were profiled as criminals....and frankly, fuck you for assuming they're not of your "tribe". That's some bullshit. That takes you having an us vs. them attitude, and that makes you the problem. We've had 200 arrests total, and today the Police Chief admitted he had actual written reports for sex crimes. People are innocent before proven guilty...and it fucking shocks me that Black Americans are of less civil importance then any other minority.

i also sense you have a mixture of empathy, and frusteration towards these survivors.... I question that resentment because I tend to think you have to bring a predetermined assesment of these people as a whole to reach any negative conclusions about who they are and why this is such a dire situation for them.
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 07:20 PM       
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all I'm saying is, instead of blaming the government, Bush, whatever, it's time for these people to really buckle down and make things better for themselves. I've spent hours helping displaced refugess find jobs, providing food and clothing, and I've helped a lot of them talk through everything that's happened to them. most of them want to get their lives in order as quickly as possible, it's just a matter of getting it done.
And I'm sure you have, and I'm sure they are. How do you know that isn't the case with a majority of the displaced?

I think Ziggy's point about your animal analogy put it best. What kind of numbers are we looking at regarding those who are raping, stealing (non-essentials), and doing just generally bad things? It's certainly a minority of those effected, is it not?
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Old Sep 9th, 2005, 08:39 PM       
Let's try it this way - when I watched TV, and saw the people stranded, I saw really helpless people, who seemed to have a lot of resiliance and soul...a lot of them looked seriously caring, like people I'd want on my block when a disaster hits.

Did you really see another Tribe? You really feel the need to seperate yourself from that group of people, and distance yourself because of the rumors of violence, and desperation? You really can't seperate the victims from the criminals because they're in the same building? That's the attitude I get from the author of that essay.
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Old Sep 10th, 2005, 01:58 AM       
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single individual who thinks tyat any aspect of the hurricane and it's aftermath are an excuse for rape or murder.
Yet you wouldn't be hard pressed to find someone who thinks they don't need an excuse.
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I thought that was an amazingly arrogant piece.
This is just Max's way to say that what Bill wrote is 10x better and about 100! times more intelligent then he will ever write.

Max, meet Bill Whittle. Just think of him as your superior. It will be easier for you that way.
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