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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 01:31 PM       
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I'd prefer to agree with George Orwell and say it's actually being able to tell people what they don't want to hear.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 01:33 PM       
I'd rather die than live in another country besides America. Plain and simple. But do I think America is always right? Not at all. Humans run America, and humans are flawed. But the simple fact is for all the bad things we do, our good we do for the existence of mankind dwarfs it a zillion to one. It's just that most people have it so well here, all they can do is focus on the bad because they never have had it any other way besides good.

It's like the adult that has always had money handed to him since he was a kid. If he could only buy 3 Bentleys instead of 6, he would consider it such a crushing blow to his psyche. We on the board here would tell him to shove it.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 01:49 PM       
Those of us who focus on the bad points of our country do so because we don't want it to turn into a monster.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 01:55 PM       
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Those of us who focus on the bad points of our country do so because we don't want it to turn into a monster.
Couldn't have said it better myself, Sspad.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 02:56 PM       
I guess Naldo still thinks I hate what my country stands for.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 03:13 PM       
i'm just sad because i love what my country stands for, but every time i turn around it seems to be going against what i thought it stood for in the first place.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 03:16 PM       
That's becuase you aren't a real American.

The question is, are those of us who are not 'Real American's' and yet feel free to suck from liberties teat a danger to America?

After all, Naldo thinks I support Saddam Hussein. Doesn't that make me a terrorist?

And if I'm a terrorist, doesn't that make me an enemy combatant?

And if I'm an enemy combatant, haven't I forfeited all constitutional rights?

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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 03:17 PM       
Damn Burbank, you are on a socialist roll today....
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 03:25 PM       
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"Why must we sing the praises of America on this board? It accomplishes nothing." - X

See. You are just anti-American. To you being balanced and showing the great accomplishments of this nation hurt your argument. You objective is to talk us down. Admit it.
I am postively incensed that you would say that. My arguements are against Bush and his administration, not this nation. I challage you to find ONE thing that I have posted here that was anti-American as opposed to anti-Bush. I am not here to talk down to anyone, I am here to speak my mind.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 03:56 PM       
Hey, I asked him to find one thing I said first!

Hinky- Okay, my post was meant to Mock Naldo, mostly, and provoke him to ANSWER A DIRECT QUESTION, something he has so much trouble with it's like he's passing a stone, but you piqued mu curiosity...

What did you find 'socialist' in my post? Seriously, unless I'm missing something, you might as well have said 'raellian' for all the meaning that had.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 03:57 PM       
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 04:48 PM       
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 05:37 PM       
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Damn Burbank, you are on a socialist roll today....
How are his posts socialist?
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 05:40 PM       
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Fascism is the most overused word-weapon in the liberal arsenal. It’s a big word they learned to try to compare Bush to Hitler (Hitler came to power because of socialism, idiot. Read books. Learn things.) which always fails.
True, he merely used it as a vehicle to get the power he sought and not necessarily because he agreed with it's ideals. It's my opinion that the fascist doctrine he ultimately assumed publicly was more than likely what truly reflected his beliefs from the beginning. Even though the socialist is pretty much the diametric opposite of everything that facism stands for, you have to GET to the place of power to assert your true will. You have to use what's available to you, n'est-ce pas?
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 05:51 PM       
Well said, Kelly. I'm sure Mr. Friedman will call you a Communist, however.

EDIT: I also love it when people say stupid things such as "read a book." They presumably mean read a book by Hume, Burke, or Friedman, NOT however a book by Marx, Engels, Gramsche, Adorno, etc. Just an observation.
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 10:12 PM       
It's not un-American to denounce liberal Presidents because they aren't real Americans in the first place.

They're just 'keeping the chair warm.'
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Old Mar 20th, 2003, 11:17 PM       
Facist the word holds a lot of meaning, its just in how its used. Every time some punk kid gets arrested for laying in front of a highway and blocking traffic to protest a tree cutting down, the cops come in and arrest him. He then screams "Facists!" like his opinions are being repressed, when in fact he is endangering lives and blocking traffic. The problem is the word is used every 2 minutes and loses its true meaning. As in saying that is what Bush is. If Bush was a true facist, Arab and Muslim peoples would be in camps and anti-war people would be imprisoned.
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 08:20 AM       
"I have my own interpretation of what it means to be an American. It's based on history and the great documents of our founding fathers." - Maxi

That's a laugh. You often site "seperation of church and state" as an American way of life. Where did the forefathers say that?

The first amendment directly opposes "seperation of church and state".

You are too easy.
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:11 AM       
Show us how, Raygun. You go out, cust and paste all of Amendment 1 of our constitution, and you point out how the government endorses any kind of intertwining of church and state.
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:15 AM       
Endorses? Did I say that?
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:16 AM       
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:16 AM       
Tell you what: I'll do it for you, since you're too lazy to do it yourself and a poor debater.

"Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

That's from the University of Cornell School of Law website.

Now you show me exactly where in there it says that the gov't opposes separation of church & state.
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:24 AM       
I didn't say the govt' opposes it.

Try again.....and learn how to read and comprehend.
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:26 AM       
So I read it quickly..... Big fuckin' deal. Show me exactly how the First Amendment "directly opposes" separation of church and state. Show me.

By the way, that's rather ironic coming from you, seeing how you can't comprehend the words of our constitution.
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Old Mar 21st, 2003, 09:32 AM       
Forget it....I'll spare you the hardship.

Would you like to use school prayer for example. Why does the gov't get involved when students choose to pray at a football game or during school?

Does the first amendment say they can't. Obviously NOT.

It says......

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Which means that the gov't cannot make a law sanctioning a prayer and that it CANNOT make a law banning it.

In other words.....it's non of the gov't business either way.
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