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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 01:58 AM        aycarumbadios
You know two of the very few groups who resisted Hitler were the Communists and Jehova's Witnesses? The JWs distributed literature detailing Nazi atrocities to peoples' mailboxes and the Pinkos engaged in gunfights in the street with SS troops. The Pope meanwhile signed a pact with the Hooked Crossers to make sure Catholics could still go to Church. Otherwise, with a few exceptions (Josef spieker) Christians took it up the ass. German Protestants divided into two branches, the larger of which was the German Christian Movement, which had kids dress up in Hitler Youth uniforms for confirmation (that's the thing kids do in church right? confirmation it's called? i don't remember). You probably wonder why I'm talking about this. Listen, Hitler didn't kill millions of people or build tanks. The German people did. And they weren't evil like him. Seriously, whereas Hitler was a histrionic psycho, the people who actually carried out the Haulocaust and the war were by and large what you call normal folks. See that nice old lay on your street? You think she'll spit in the dictator's face when he takes power? Normalcy is corruption. The human race asks, "who's got my back?" If a tear comes to your eye when you think of apple pie and those brave boys who put their lives on the line for our godgiven rights, you're not trustworthy. The government's a parasite. But I won't get into that. Perfection is a virus. Heaven infests the earth. There's no such thing as perfection or immortality. The universe- you know, REality- is a rough, untidy, asymmetric, changing thing, and we'd be doing ourselves a favor if we accepted that. There was no original sin, humans are no more flawed than badgers or tapeworms. Perfection is our corruption. From heaven to Hollywood, the Thousand Year Reich to the American Dream, utopia or stardom, we jerk off to delusions our entire lives. Unwilling to make an attempt to understand the actual world we live in, we just let things atrophy while we wait for Jesus. And science? Its raison d'etre is to eradicate disease, turn the planet into a perfectly managed farm, colonize the universe, cure all our problems and give us robots to do our chores. Life is dirty, okay? Struggle, competition, fatigue, sadness, death, these things define beauty, love, happiness, accomplishment, etc. A puppy is just an organism bent on propogating its species. It's the horrors of life that turn that puppy into something cute. And my point is, the horrors would be less horrible if we accpeted them and took pragmatic, well-thought out steps towards improving things, rather than gazing at the commercials, the propoganda posters, the charismatic madman telling us to blow ourselves up, dreaming of a paradise with maidens awaiting us, dreaming of a life of fulfillment with a sexy car, dreaming of perfection, delusions! Baleful, pernicious wickedness comes to earth in the form of regular folks just doin' the will of the lord, just playin' the game. For 3 million years there was no "salvation" no heaven or hell just us humans and our forests and the rythms of life. For ten thousand years we think we're the center of creation and we're about to destroy what may be the only living planet in the universe. There may be no hope because pandora's box was open when we created nukes and at this point we could probably pop this globe like a flimsy bubble; but why focus on the bad part? If you need to walk from one side of the room to the other, don't take the elevator upstairs.
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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 07:19 AM       
...your point?
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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 09:58 AM       
And your evidence to support this is where?
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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 10:28 AM       
My god. The irony is simply staggering.
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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 11:31 AM       
Dude, try the Tab and space bar keys. Thats just too fucking hard on the eyes.
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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 01:33 PM       
to answer your questions, I have no point and my evidence is reality. I'm aware of how stupid that sounds. If you're implying that I'm supporting socialism in some way, you missed my point. Frankly, what attracts me about the free market system is that it's the most natural. The universe being an untamable force, when humans apply effort we tend to get strange results kicking back. It is folly to attempt to organize a notion of humans (although a small group is sometimes a different story). Besides, with all my talk of utopian delusions, how could I support Marxist social evolution theory? Despite its specious front of desctribing a natural, effortless process, its dream of converting society into a harmonious club where everyone shares is contrived and fanciful.
IN fact, we are experiencing social atrophy. So their concept of things moving toward an inevitable goal is perhaps correct.
What's my "important revelation?" Mankind is not the zenith of creation, not made in god's image. The universe was not shaped so that we might play in it. We are important, noble creatures, but so are salmon.
What's the irony, friend? That I'm a histrionic psycho? Actually, I only act that way when I don't have to face people; I'm pretty reticent and insecure normally, but I see people accepting a skewed reality as our collective cross to bear. They have plausible reasons: one of the most convincing being the idea of original sin. But Humans are not half-beast and half-angel, therefore it is no shortcoming that we are not full angels. WE're full beasts. And we're smart, we can do things better than this, if we give ourselves some credit. What I'm saying is, we are free and therefore don't have to fall into established patterns of thinking. I'm all about cynicism, I think it's an important mental tool, but we must all move past it, keeping it like a shield but wading through the muck at all costs forward. What am I doing about all this? Nothing, except this right here. Am I at this moment a naive hypocrite? Yeah probably, but do I get no credit for trying?
Let me put my cards on the table: I'm a spoiled white suburban kid with acne and too much time to think. I go out of my way not to deceive myself, and I don't pretend to be a messiah who has solved all the problems. But I respect this world.
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Old Jul 4th, 2003, 02:20 PM       
OK. I get it. You are angry and you are on shrooms. Goodie.
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