15 british navy PERSONNEL captured

[Geggy]

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[KevinTheOmnivore]

1. Did Hezbollah deny capturing those troops?

2. Has Iran denied capturing these British troops?

3. Are Hezbollah and Iran a part of a Jooish conspiracy to have themselves attacked?

Answer these questions, or I'm going to abuse my moderating power and have fun with this thread....

[Preechr]

Sounds much more like the time when Iran captured some British marines and a couple of sailors, made them apologize publically for illegally entering Iran, then let them go unharmed after a few days. Remember when that happened? Remember how US Forces and an elite team of leather-clad Super Jews conducted illegal raids on Iran, using their lazer eyes and flying powers?

[Preechr]

From your article:

The incident was similar to one in 2004 in which eight British servicemen spent three nights in the hands of Iranian Revolutionary Guards before being released unharmed.
In that incident, the Iranians accused them of crossing into Iranian waters, which Britain disputed. This sparked the now infamous "Super Jew Raids," which left most of Iran scorched and unuseable for childrens' playgrounds, as had been that land's traditional function.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...AR0&refer=home

Here is an interesting read on the current diplomatic status between Britain and Iran. This bit was interesting:

His spokesman Tom Kelly later told reporters that when the Prime Minister referred to a ``different phase'' in dealing with Iran, he didn't mean military action or expelling diplomats. Blair would prefer the matter to be resolved ``quietly and privately'' and the new phase may involve making public why the U.K. was so sure its people were in Iraqi waters, Kelly said.
``We have been clearly stating that we are utterly certain that the personnel were in Iraqi waters,'' he said. ``We so far haven't made explicit why we know that because we don't want to escalate this. We may get to the stage where we will become more explicit.''

What might the British have been investigating there? Why the certainty that they were in Iraqi waters (which I'm sure they were).

[Abcdxxxx]

The dummies guess would be that the kidnapping itself occured on Iraqi soil, or as a result of an altercation which started along an Iraqi port. The problem with this is the Brits do themselves a disservice in terms of credebility when they try and minimize a situation while threatening to put Iran on blast and tattle if they don't play nice. Why not just say what happened? Iran's not going to appreciate the kid glove diplomacy anyway.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Yeah, my guess would be that the Brits were checking for weapons trafficing, or somethinglike that, and had the guns turned on them.

I agree with you on their choice of methods. They should come clean with what they know, and put the ball back in the Iranian court.

[Preechr]

THEM DIRTY AY-RABS!!!!

[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by Preechr

THEM DIRTY AY-RABS!!!!

I love it when people think they're poking fun at prejudice, and then end up making themselves sound 200* times as bigoted.

*Sean Penn math.

[Sethomas]

I'd prefer the company of someone who sounds like a bigot over someone who IS a bigot. I guess that's why I haven't invited you to any of my parties. Sorry, Quadruple X.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Could we not turn this into another "abc hurt my feelings once" thread?

Sounds like Iran might release the female sailor today: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...257880,00.html

[Sethomas]

I forgot that only one person here is allowed to find faults in others. Or maybe two, I guess.

I heard that the watercraft used by the Britons was a "zodiac boat", or something like that, which was conspicuously small for anything not conspicuous in nature. I can understand that covert operations SHOULD happen at times, but if such is the case for the situation then I think it's time for transparency. Yeah, it might mess Plan A, but things would already be messed up as it is and admission of what happened could only ameliorate the situation.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Oh, good grief...

As for them being covert-- weren't they in uniform? Not very covert.

I don't believe Iran has any diplomatic leg to stand on here. Between the UN sanctions vote, and all of the Iranians supposedly being held in Iraq by the US, including a diplomat, this stinks of retaliation.

And as for the point made about using kid gloves on Iran-- it's not as if the Iranian's haven't gone this route in the past. If Blair capiutlates on this at the demands of the British people (which is certainly what Iran wants), all Iran will learn is what Bin Laden has said over and over and over again. If you keep attacking the West, they will give in, and they will leave. This also serves as a way to put a wedge between us and England, since they will probably demand that WE release thugs and insurgents caught in Iraq from Iran.

[Preechr]

On that note, I'd bet that the timing of this has everything to do with Blair's softening commitment to the effort. They know the longer they keep bad news in the papers back home the more frustrated Westerners will be with the war, and they've developed a formula for stirring the shit at just the right time. I wonder if this will strengthen the British commitment or if they'll go the way of Spain...

I know I'm throwing Iran in the same bucket as Al Qaeda with that statement, but it's war on terror, after all, right? It's all just 4G warfare. It's amazing to me that blatantly kidnapping foreigners is still considered a mild offense for Iranians... "It's Ok. They just do that sometimes. They don't really mean anything by it..."

[KevinTheOmnivore]

There's no military solution in Iraq, Preech. Only politics can save us now...

[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by Preechr

It's amazing to me that blatantly kidnapping foreigners is still considered a mild offense for Iranians... "It's Ok. They just do that sometimes. They don't really mean anything by it..."

Isn't that just the standard thought for kidnappings in the entire region? The majority of them go unreported, or are rationalized away. They should be treated as the international incidents which they are, rather then downplayed as the Brits are doing right now by holding back details.

[Preechr]

Political up to the point to which economic solutions take the bull by the horns.

Iran says the Brits were in the wrong place, but the Brits, who have actual sattelites, say the Iranians were in the wrong place. I say they should let us build them a Walmart so they can get GPS devices for their soldiers for $14.99 each and we won't have problems like this anymore.

[Abcdxxxx]

Yeah because money breeds pacifism and equality.

[mburbank]

Kev; no matter how looney you think Geggy's original post was (and it could have said 'cow cow cow cow' or all I can tell now) replacing it AND continuing to discuss the situation in a thread he started actually does seem abussive to me.

My brother, who works for the Fed, has a theory: Sure, absolute power corrupts absolutely, but really small amounts of power corrupt pretty good too.

I guess it was a totally inane conspiracy theory that contributed nothing and you feel he proved that by not responding to your provocation. Fine. If you feel it's worth your time to pave it over, great. Make a similar effort and start a conversation you feel is more significant.

[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by mburbank

KMake a similar effort and start a conversation you feel is more significant.

Isn't that what he did when he posted the article we're all now discussing? If Geggy's not sticking around to defend his posts then at some point he's just spamming the forum.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

Yeah because money breeds pacifism and equality.

You are just being retarded. Now that I'm on your enemy list, discussing anything with or even around you is like arguing with a stop sign. Calm down, scrappy. The Dark Side's tightening it's grip on your frontal lobe. What you just said made no sense at all. Are the richest countries in the world the ones we're worried about right now? No. It's the poorest, most fucked up ones. You cannot have a free economy absent a foundation upon political and social freedoms.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Dear Max,

1. If Geggy actually posted "cow cow cow cow," I would adore him for it. It would be far more substantive than what he currently does.

2. I warned him to defend his posts-- I have had more than one person complain to me about Geggy posting some stupid article like a spambot, and then never defending his claims. I asked him a series of questions, and he ignored them. I'm treating him no differently than I would any other spamming whore.

3. The original article, the source of the conversation, is still there.

4. I am drunk with power.

5. Incase you didn't notice, we were having a conversation on the subject matter, but thanks for derailing it.

6. cow, cow, cow, cow.

[Abcdxxxx]

Originally Posted by Preechr

Are the richest countries in the world the ones we're worried about right now? No. It's the poorest, most fucked up ones. You cannot have a free economy absent a foundation upon political and social freedoms.

That all depends on how you read the numbers, and how much you fear an attack from Samoa. A free economy doesn't equate wealth equality let alone social freedom. The foundation you're looking for has little to do with economical issues.

[Jeanette X]

Cow Cow Cow Cow.

[Geggy]

I'm just sayin the parrellel between israel soldiers captured by hezbollah inside the border of lebanon is too much similiar to the recent capturing of brits personnel. How do you know it's not a common military strategical method used by the west to deliberate allow their own people to get caught by the enemies and use it as provacation to strike them in order to further the west's agenda? It's taken tony blair too long to come up with proof that brits were in iraqi waters so why are you more likely to believe he is telling the truth than the iranians are? We know that the us has drawn up plans to invade iran and overthrow the government 10 years ago, if you would understand the document written by kristol himself, instead of dismissing it as spam and stupid article then it would make for easier predictions.