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Old Jan 10th, 2004, 10:41 PM        O'Neil: Iraq Invasion Planned in 2001
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O'Neill: Iraq Planning Came Before 9/11
(AP) - Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill contends the United States began laying the groundwork for an invasion of Iraq just days after President Bush took office in January 2001 — more than two years before the start of the U.S.-led war that ousted Saddam Hussein. "From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS's "60 Minutes" in an interview to be aired Sunday night.
That's kind of scary.
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Old Jan 10th, 2004, 10:46 PM       
Frontline had a nice video on Iraq including how as soon as 9/11 happened, the Bush administration immediately reacted with planning on how it could be used to invade Iraq.
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Old Jan 10th, 2004, 10:47 PM       
I definitely have to watch this.
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Old Jan 10th, 2004, 11:17 PM       
I'm pretty sure most of the civilized world thought that since summer 1990.

Are you saying that prior to 2001 none of you thought he(as with all tyranical dictators) should be gone?
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Old Jan 10th, 2004, 11:49 PM       
You're dense as shit, I swear. Of course I thought he should be taken out. What's scary about it is that the government not only kept secret and lied about their plans to invade a foreign country, but they used a suspiciously convenient national disaster to justify it.
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 12:49 AM       
Says you.

Don't you think despotic regimes that have had past hostilities with us would have a priority during most intel briefings?

Don't you think some people in the Clinton Administration said something along the lines of "We should really get that guy out of there."?

Guess what: We have plans to invade every piece of land on earth. Its an academic excersise. Iraq just happens to be a popular "What If".

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What's scary about it is that the government not only kept secret and lied about their plans to invade a foreign country, but they used a suspiciously convenient national disaster to justify it.
Hmmmm accusations of lying, and even an implication towards cimitting the 9-11 attacks, but no actual proof. You and Ranx drinking buddies?
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 10:15 AM       
Regime change please. the despot bush must go.
bush, the king of bankruptcy, cronieism and deregulated meat will destroy the world. er, at least america and the republicans.

hey blanco.. are you making money on a police state investment? maybe on land mine investments or deathray's from space by chance?
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 10:56 AM       
Police state? Isn't that what you want? Considering all the regulations you desire, you have to.

To my knowledge, there was never any implication that Iraq was involved in 9/11.
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 01:06 PM       
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To my knowledge, there was never any implication that Iraq was involved in 9/11.
There wasn't and nobody here said there was
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 03:47 PM       
Then why is the planning date relevant? I don't understand the problem with this particular issue.
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 04:12 PM       
Well, the main problem with the issue is that it wasn't raised. You simply assumed that it was, and when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. Feel free to chop up that line and turn it into a witless retort.
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Old Jan 11th, 2004, 10:46 PM       
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Police state? Isn't that what you want? Considering all the regulations you desire, you have to.

To my knowledge, there was never any implication that Iraq was involved in 9/11.
Cheney link of Iraq, 9/11 challenged
By Anne E. Kornblut and Bryan Bender , Globe Staff and Globe Correspondent, 9/16/2003

WASHINGTON -- Vice President Dick Cheney, anxious to defend the White House foreign policy amid ongoing violence in Iraq, stunned intelligence analysts and even members of his own administration this week by failing to dismiss a widely discredited claim: that Saddam Hussein might have played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Evidence of a connection, if any exists, has never been made public. Details that Cheney cited to make the case that the Iraqi dictator had ties to Al Qaeda have been dismissed by the CIA as having no basis, according to analysts and officials. Even before the war in Iraq, most Bush officials did not explicitly state that Iraq had a part in the attack on the United States two years ago.

But Cheney left that possibility wide open in a nationally televised interview two days ago, claiming that the administration is learning "more and more" about connections between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the Sept. 11 attacks. The statement surprised some analysts and officials who have reviewed intelligence reports from Iraq.


Democrats sharply attacked him for exaggerating the threat Iraq posed before the war.

"There is no credible evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11," Senator Bob Graham, a Democrat running for president, said in an interview last night. "There was no such relationship."

A senior foreign policy adviser to Howard Dean, the Democratic front-runner, said it is "totally inappropriate for the vice president to continue making these allegations without bringing forward" any proof.

Cheney and his representatives declined to comment on the vice president's statements. But the comments also surprised some in the intelligence community who are already simmering over the way the administration utilized intelligence reports to strengthen the case for the war last winter.

Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism specialist, said that Cheney's "willingness to use speculation and conjecture as facts in public presentations is appalling. It's astounding."

In particular, current intelligence officials reiterated yesterday that a reported Prague visit in April 2001 between Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi agent had been discounted by the CIA, which sent former agency Director James R. Woolsey to investigate the claim. Woolsey did not find any evidence to confirm the report, officials said, and President Bush did not include it in the case for war in his State of the Union address last January.

But Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," cited the report of the meeting as possible evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link and said it was neither confirmed nor discredited, saying

: "We've never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don't know."

Multiple intelligence officials said that the Prague meeting, purported to be between Atta and senior Iraqi intelligence officer Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, was dismissed almost immediately after it was reported by Czech officials in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and has since been discredited further.

The CIA reported to Congress last year that it could not substantiate the claim, while American records indicate Atta was in Virginia Beach, Va., at the time, the officials said yesterday. Indeed, two intelligence officials said yesterday that Ani himself, now in US custody, has also refuted the report. The Czech government has also distanced itself from its original claim.

A senior defense official with access to high-level intelligence reports expressed confusion yesterday over the vice president's decision to reair charges that have been dropped by almost everyone else. "There isn't any new intelligence that would precipitate anything like this," the official said, speaking on condition he not be named.

Nonetheless, 69 percent of Americans believe that Hussein probably had a part in attacking the United States, according to a recent Washington Post poll. And Democratic senators have charged that the White House is fanning the misperception by mentioning Hussein and the Sept. 11 attacks in ways that suggest a link.

Bush administration officials insisted yesterday that they are learning more about various Iraqi connections with Al Qaeda. They said there is evidence suggesting a meeting took place between the head of Iraqi intelligence and Osama bin Laden in Sudan in the mid-1990s; another purported meeting was said to take place in Afghanistan, and during it Iraqi officials offered to provide chemical and biological weapons training, according to officials who have read transcripts of interrogations with Al Qaeda detainees.

But there is no evidence proving the Iraqi regime knew about or took part in the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush officials said.

Former senator Max Cleland, who is a member of the national commission investigating the attacks, said yesterday that classified documents he has reviewed on the subject weaken, rather than strengthen, administration assertions that Hussein's regime may have been allied with Al Qaeda.

"The vice president trying to justify some connection is ludicrous," he said.

Nonetheless, Cheney, in the "Meet the Press" interview Sunday, insisted that the United States is learning more about the links between Al Qaeda and Hussein.

"We learn more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s," Cheney said, "that it involved training, for example, on [biological and chemical weapons], that Al Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems."

The claims are based on a prewar allegation by a "senior terrorist operative," who said he overheard an Al Qaeda agent speak of a mission to seek biological or chemical weapons training in Iraq, according to Secretary of State Colin Powell's statement to the United Nations in February.

But intelligence specialists told the Globe last August that they have never confirmed that the training took place, or identified where it could have taken place. "The general public just doesn't have any independent way of weighing what is said," Cannistraro, the former CIA counterterrorism specialist, said. "If you repeat it enough times . . . then people become convinced it's the truth."
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Old Jan 12th, 2004, 01:58 AM       
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interestingly enough, the cow that was found to have MCD came from Canada. once again, the Canadians somehow find a way to fuck things up.
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