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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 02:47 PM        9-11 Trials
Obama wants to try the suspects in N.Y.

That's a dumb idea. Let's through gas of the fire.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 02:49 PM       
They will die. It's practically factual.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 02:56 PM       
They should get their day in court just like every one else in this country. Yes yes I know... They arent actually US citizens but we shouldnt have two definitions of justice. Justice for us is the same justice we should hand out. We are supposed to be better than that. Besides, like Fathom said, its practically factual what will happen to them anyway.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 03:09 PM       
I'm just thinking about the shit storm of accusations that are going to fly around over this. Aren't we trying to repair our status as a world leader? Holding the trials in D.C. would make more sense.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 03:35 PM       
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I'm just thinking about the shit storm of accusations that are going to fly around over this. Aren't we trying to repair our status as a world leader? Holding the trials in D.C. would make more sense.
Yes. Yes it would. Not to mention in a lot of high profile murder trials they move it to another area on the grounds of the jury pool being bias. Not that I think they could find a jury in the US that wouldnt be bias but moving it out of NY is probably what should be done.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 06:30 PM       
The crime was committed in united states jurisdiction. I would assume this would go to federal court, which has no juries.

I guess you can request a jury? Anyway usually in federal courts they are tried by a panel of judges.
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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 02:10 PM       
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Yes. Yes it would. Not to mention in a lot of high profile murder trials they move it to another area on the grounds of the jury pool being bias. Not that I think they could find a jury in the US that wouldnt be bias but moving it out of NY is probably what should be done.
Why is moving it to another city that was attacked that day a good idea? Why does the opinions of other countries matter here? It was an attack on our soil and they will be processed like every other criminal. They are being treated as they should.
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Why does the opinions of other countries matter here?
I'd like to go to other countries and play without getting treated like shit and ripped of.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 06:54 PM       
If a N.Y. judge wants to keep his job, there can only be one outcome.
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Old Nov 13th, 2009, 07:54 PM       
Juries... judges... You know what Im talking about.
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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 10:15 AM       
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...dministration/

911 was an inside job. Evidence was obtained through torture. And all that.
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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 10:40 AM       
Mukasey threatens...oops I mean warns of 'very high' risk of attack over NYC 9/11 trial

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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 02:09 PM       
Geggy, still on that shit?

Will you be protesting at the trial, defending a man accused of a crime you have irrefutable proof he didn't commit?

Wait, what's that? The 9/11 conspiracy bullshit is just a cry for help by a bunch of sad, lonely, and hopeless people?

Ya, figured that much already. And you even used FOX News as a source, you fucking hypocrite.


That stupidity out of the way:

NYC was the one of the jurisdictions of the crimes on 9/11. We also have the best facilities and have aptly handled trials like this in the past. Like the first WTC bombing trial and the Bernie Madoff trial.

And can someone tell me a place that won't have a supposedly tainted jury pool?
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Old Nov 17th, 2009, 02:14 AM       
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Geggy, still on that shit?

Will you be protesting at the trial, defending a man accused of a crime you have irrefutable proof he didn't commit?

Wait, what's that? The 9/11 conspiracy bullshit is just a cry for help by a bunch of sad, lonely, and hopeless people?

Ya, figured that much already. And you even used FOX News as a source, you fucking hypocrite.


That stupidity out of the way:

NYC was the one of the jurisdictions of the crimes on 9/11. We also have the best facilities and have aptly handled trials like this in the past. Like the first WTC bombing trial and the Bernie Madoff trial.

And can someone tell me a place that won't have a supposedly tainted jury pool?
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At the appropriate place, insert the following:
Sec. . Sense of the Senate on declassifying portions of
the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities
Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001.
(a) Findings.--The Senate finds that--
(1) The President has prevented the release to the American
public of 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence
Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks
of September 2001.
(2) The contents of the redacted pages discuss sources of
foreign support for some of the September 11th hijackers
while they were in the United States.
(3) The Administration's decision to classify this
information prevents the American people from having access
to information about the involvement of certain foreign
governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001.
(4) The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has requested that the
President release the 28 pages.
(5) The Senate respects the need to keep information
regarding intelligence sources and methods classified, but
the Senate also recognizes that such purposes can be
accomplished through careful selective redaction of specific
words and passages, rather than effacing the section's
contents entirely.
(b) Sense of the Senate.--It is the sense of the Senate
that in light of these findings the President should
declassify the 28-page section of the Joint Inquiry into
Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the
Terrorist Attacks of September 2001 that deals with foreign
sources of support for the 9-11 hijackers, and that only
those portions of the report that would directly compromise
ongoing investigations or reveal intelligence sources and
methods should remain classified.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html
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FBI agent Robert Wright holds a press conference. He makes a statement that has been preapproved by the FBI. As one account puts it, "Robert Wright's story is difficult to piece together because he is on government orders to remain silent.... [T]his is in distinct contrast to the free speech and whistle-blower protections offered to Colleen Rowley, general counsel in the FBI Minneapolis office, who got her story out before the agency could silence her. Wright, a 12-year bureau veteran, has followed proper channels" but has been frustrated by limitations on what he is allowed to say (see September 11, 2001-October 2001). "The best he could do [is a] press conference in Washington, D.C., where he [tells] curious reporters that he [has] a whopper of a tale to tell, if only he could." Wright says that FBI bureaucrats "intentionally and repeatedly thwarted [his] attempts to launch a more comprehensive investigation to identify and neutralize terrorists." He also claims, "FBI management failed to take seriously the threat of terrorism in the US." [Fox News, 5/30/2002; Federal News Service, 5/30/2002; LA Weekly, 8/2/2002] Larry Klayman, a lawyer representing Wright, says at the conference that he believes one reason Wright's investigations were blocked "is because these monies were going through some very powerful US banks with some very powerful interests in the United States. These banks knew or had reason to know that these monies were laundered by terrorists. And there are very significant potential conflicts of interests in both the Clinton and Bush Administrations-with the country primarily responsible for funding these charities, mainly Saudi Arabia. We have both Clinton and Bush, and in particular this Bush Administration, who is as tight with Saudi Arabia as you can get." He also says, "Corruption is knowing when something is not being done, knowing when the American people are being left unprotected and when you make a decision not to do something to protect the American people... And you effectively allow 9/11 to occur. That is the ultimate form of government corruption-dereliction of duty. That's subject in the military to prosecution, to court martial.... Frankly, if not treason."

http://www.historycommons.org/search...n+rowley&event s =on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on &projects=on&titles=on&descrip tions=on&dosearch=on
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Origin of the Funds
To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used
for the 9/11 attacks. As we have discussed above, the compelling evidence appears to
trace the bulk of the funds directly back to KSM and, possibly, Qatari, but no further.163
Available information on this subject has thus far has not been illuminating.164 According
to KSM, Bin Ladin provided 85–95 percent of the funds for the plot from his personal
wealth, with the remainder coming from general al Qaeda funds. To the extent KSM
intended to refer to wealth Bin Ladin inherited from his family or derived from any
business activity, this claim is almost certainly wrong, because Bin Ladin was not
personally financing al Qaeda during this time frame.165 Ultimately the question of the
origin of the funds is of little practical significance.
Al Qaeda had many avenues of
funding. If a particular source of funds dried up, it could have easily tapped a different
source or diverted money from a different project to fund an attack that cost $400,000–
$500,000 over nearly two years.
We know that a small percentage of the plot funds originated in the bank account of
Shehhi, which apparently came from his military salary. Binalshibh drew on these funds
to wire approximately $10,000 to Shehhi in the United States, as well as to support his
own role in the plot to some degree. Al Qaeda does not necessarily have to completely
fund terrorist operatives. Some, like Shehhi, have means and can fund themselves, at
least in part, a factor that makes the fight on “terrorist financing” all the more difficult.

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To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance. Al Qaeda had many avenues of funding. If a particular funding source had dried up, al Qaeda could have easily tapped a different source or diverted funds from another project to fund an operation that cost $400,000-$500,000 over nearly two years.

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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 02:11 PM       
We can at least pretend.
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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 02:18 PM       
we should try them in DC because they haven't heard about 9/11 yet
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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 02:23 PM       
Well, did they attack N.Y. or America?
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Old Nov 15th, 2009, 09:41 PM       
You going into tourist traps and the locals giving you shitty treatment has nothing to do with this trial. I have no idea why you think moving this trial to Washington would make them stop being douche bags.
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Personally I think the entire idea of this trial is retarded. How can you charge somebody for a war crime (if it can even be called that) in a civil court? I guess that's one thing that foreigners might get pissed about.

All they have to do is argue that it was committed in an act of war and the entire case becomes stupid.
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Old Nov 16th, 2009, 07:19 PM       
Does it count as an act of war if they aren't representing a specific nation?
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Maybe.
But, then, they could just say that they are representing the interests of a country which has been taken over by us. In effect, they could say they are a "Resistance" to our colonial rule or some shit.

I think it would be more troublesome to not consider this a possible warcrime
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I think the guys set for trial right now are gonna be accused of the 9-11 plot, so that would be before we took Afghanistan.
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I'm aware of that, but why did terrorists attack us? it wasn't because they thought their countries were completely free of western involvement.
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