adopting a greyhound

[Protoclown]

OMG WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH A BUS

[Rev. Danno]

kahljorn, I hope you get hit by a car when someone decides to liberate you...

[kahljorn]

Really? I was always hoping to OD when I was liberated.

I hope you get locked in prison for no reason at all, born into a life of prison. With no chance for freedom, though you know you would want to. Explain how you would feel if you were locked in jail your entire life, and had never commited a crime. Lilke shawshank redemption, don't deny that was a good movie, yet he escaped. It was still good. In the real world there are chances of dying and failing, stop being such pussies and living false lives of orderly immortality.

Seriously, sit and think about what It would be like to be born into prison.

*edit* oh wait, a question first. have you ever even been in prison?

[FS]

Are you going to name the dog Santa's Little Helper? Satan's Little Helper? Or Santos L. Helper?

[glowbelly]

fs: no unfortunately. the dogs are already named, but you better believe that i thought about it.

kahl: the dogs you freed were most likely not born in the kennel you let them out of. they were domesticated animals that didn't have homes. you let them go because you were drunk, causing you to have some startling revelation about how it would be like to be born in prison. it was childish, not very well thought out and rather silly. if you thought the animals were being abused or neglected, you should have called your local animal control or protective league. otherwise, what you basically did, was free a bunch of dogs from a place where they were being fed, had a place to sleep AND had a chance to be adopted into a loving home.

GOOD ONE.

[kellychaos]

Humane Societies only keep pets for a limited time and then it's euthenasia time. So it's more a question of a quick death with feeding benefits while living in doggy poo vs a slow, agonizing, starving death with a chance of disease and vehicular dogslaughter. Neither alternative sounds that great too me. Of course, I can't speak for the greyhound organization of which you've spoken.

[glowbelly]

the organization that i'm adopting from has saved 30,000 animals, and is a no-kill animal placement service.

[kellychaos]

Cool. I wish they had a similiar style place for rottweilers, pit bulls, ect. A lot of dogs like that have a reputation for being vicious but it's really in how you train them. That being the case, if they do end up in the pound, there are seldom people who are willing to take a dog with that kind of rep. In my experience, the "toy dogs" such as terriers, pomeranians, shitzus (sp?), poodles, ect are the ones with the bad temperment.

[kahljorn]

"otherwise, what you basically did, was free a bunch of dogs from a place where they were being fed, had a place to sleep AND had a chance to be adopted into a loving home. "

And they obviously enjoyed it there, so much, because they left(all except 2).
And I've been in "Prison" before; labor camps. So thanks.

Animals are born in a prison, it's called a backyard, they live there their entire life. Except the 15 minutes a day when they get to walk around outside(more like once a week for animals :/), OMG SOUNDS LIKE PRISON. Sure, they are loved and fed, but you know; I've heard stories of Children who were tied to beds and fed snicker bars and never let outside, or even just left in a cage, and their parents "Loved" them, in some sick way. How sick is it to cage a child inside and never let them do anything? How is it any better to do the same to an animal?
Go on, tell me it's Okay because they are animals.

[glowbelly]

Animals are born in a prison, it's called a backyard, they live there their entire life. Except the 15 minutes a day when they get to walk around outside(more like once a week for animals ), OMG SOUNDS LIKE PRISON.

humans are born in prison, it's called the world, they live there their entire life. except the 15 minutes a day when they get to walk around outside (more like once a week for people who work full time jobs), OMG SOUNDS LIKE PRISON.

your analogy is silly.

comparing an obviously abused child to an animal that is being cared for is like comparing watermelons to paperclips. one is being hurt, the other is being protected. just because the means of protection may be close to what you deem as the same as abuse, doesn't mean that they are both being abused. what you did WAS childish and silly. you put a bunch of animals in danger because you thought you empathized with their plight. they ran because you let them out, not necessarily because they were unhappy.

like i said before, if you were a responsible person and cared about the treatment of these dogs, you would have called your local animal control and reported any abuse. instead you "liberated" a bunch of animals that were not meant to be put out into the wild, and let the people who were supposedly "hurting" these animals get away with their behavior.

[kellychaos]

Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist, and man is in consequence forlorn, for he cannot find anything to depend upon either within or outside himself. He discovers forthwith, that he is without excuse. For if indeed existence precedes essence, one will never be able to explain one’s action by reference to a given and specific human nature; in other words, there is no determinism — man is free, man is freedom. Nor, on the other hand, if God does not exist, are we provided with any values or commands that could legitimise our behaviour. Thus we have neither behind us, nor before us in a luminous realm of values, any means of justification or excuse. — We are left alone, without excuse. That is what I mean when I say that man is condemned to be free. Condemned, because he did not create himself, yet is nevertheless at liberty, and from the moment that he is thrown into this world he is responsible for everything he does.

- Sarte

[Daphne]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

And they obviously enjoyed it there, so much, because they left(all except 2).
And I've been in "Prison" before; labor camps. So thanks.

Animals are born in a prison, it's called a backyard, they live there their entire life. Except the 15 minutes a day when they get to walk around outside(more like once a week for animals :/), OMG SOUNDS LIKE PRISON. Sure, they are loved and fed, but you know; I've heard stories of Children who were tied to beds and fed snicker bars and never let outside, or even just left in a cage, and their parents "Loved" them, in some sick way. How sick is it to cage a child inside and never let them do anything? How is it any better to do the same to an animal?
Go on, tell me it's Okay because they are animals.

You are so stupid, that reading your posts has given me a headache. I hope that you never breed, and I hope the animals you 'freed' (which I don't believe you actually did, by the way) bite off your cock so you can't have children. I also don't believe you were in prison. I think you're just a big dumb liar.

Freeing a domestic animal to survive in the wild, is like letting a retard out of it's retard house to go get hit by cars. I hate when groups set minks free only to have the poor things get run over by cars. That's not freedom, that's sloppy logic.

If you wanted to make a difference, open a foster home and take the animals in.

No dog lives in a backyard it's whole life (unless you live in a weird state), that's against the law. Most dogs live in nice houses with people who feed and walk them and let them play with other dogs at the park. If a dog isn't happy, you'll know. It will be anti-social and bite. Same with children who are kept 'tied to beds' (worst example I've ever heard, by the way) they would be weird, and withdrawn.

Stop talking, seriously. Kellychaos is coming off 100 times smarter than you and that should never happen.

[kellychaos]

My dog loves you, Daphne.

[kahljorn]

Oh no, some retard with an "I love you" photo strip is insulting me, my intelligence is so hurt.

[glowbelly]

daphne is perfectly normal

[Daphne]

If you weren't a total retard yourself, you'd notice that Jixby and I have the same sig, and that we have it to make fun of the loser who posted that as her pic.....but way to not read my post and focus on my sig, proving just how stupid you actually are!

You know you aren't smart enough to win in an actual debate so you insult my sig. CLEVER

[kahljorn]

GLOWBELLY:
Who cares. THe animals would have been picked up by animal control, any abuse they recieved would've been noted. Then they would've had the chance to be adopted by another loving family. If they get hit by a car, it's the price they pay for a night's freedom.

The people "Abusing" the child don't always think they are "Abusing" it. They think they are protecting it or something. This is called "insanity". Now my analogy seems even better applied.

Animals have a "will" of their own, just like humans. That's why some animals will rip open your couch, while others would just prefer to pee on it. Another might not hurt it, merely lay on it. Ironic, then, that an animal would make the choice to leave when it so loves where it is.
Part of freedom is being able to make the wrong choices, and just because an animal is domesticated doesnt mean it won't survive in the wild, there are instincts. It's like saying a person won't be able to survive without their parents because their parents took care of them their whole life, and that's obviously true because we all still live with our parents.

I expect a lowblow or two in response.

[kahljorn]

Yea, an online debate in which you already declared I'm faking/lying about everything I said-- you are so smart daphne

*EDIT* Also, there was nothing worth responding to in your "Debate" that hasn't already been responded too.
Unless you want me to respond to the cock thing((in which you signify your true feelings of hatred towards animals), in which I don't care about my cock. Thank you, have a wonderful day.

[klownboy]

why am i responding to this post... damn i must be under some phycotic shit or something. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.. stop the poons!!

[O71394658]

Animals have a "will" of their own, just like humans. That's why some animals will rip open your couch, while others would just prefer to pee on it. Another might not hurt it, merely lay on it.

But this is where you make the biggest mistake. You're assuming dogs are capable of rational thought. They are not. Dogs don't merely do what they do because they have long thought processes. The dog will piss on the couch because it has to go to the bathroom. It will tear up the couch because it is bored. It may lay on the couch because it find the couch comfortable. They don't think in terms of, I'm going to "x" to this couch because I want to.

Dogs can learn, but they cannot think or comprehend subjects on the level that humans do. Take classical conditioning for example. Say whenever the dog hears the rustling of a potato chip bag, and it is present in the room, it will get a potato chip. Now, say you come home from the store, and open your bag of potato chips. Your dog hears the rustling and comes bounding into the room, salivating heavily. It has merely learned to associate one thing with another. The rustling of the bag means he gets food. The same could go with a fenced animal. The animal can learn that whenever the "master" opens the gate or fence, that they're supposed to leave the enclosure. Just because animals may run away doesn't warrant that they're unhappy in the least.

[kahljorn]

Yea, because when humans smell food they dont get hungry, or when they are bored they don't come post on message boards. I'm so glad us humans are superior to everything on earth! I bet we even walk around better than other animals!
How do you explain animals getting depressed? Animals do get depressed. Go on. How do you explain sad dogs, or mad dogs. Dogs have a will. You want to say it's conditioning, what the fuck do you call the human being's "Learning". You were spanked when you stole candy from the store, now you don't.

This reminds me of the dominos commercial. You would respond to any situation just the same.
And some dogs dont like potato chips.
Some dogs like to eat feces.
But i guess that's just conditioning, not like there is psychology for human beings that says a child who is beat is likely to grow up and beat their child.

[Evil Robot]

I might suggest "santa's little helper" for a name, or "Santos L. Halper"

[klownboy]

fuck, 071394658, i clicked on that "do not click here" shit.
i had to restart my computer.

[O71394658]

How do you explain animals getting depressed? Animals do get depressed. Go on. How do you explain sad dogs, or mad dogs. Dogs have a will. You want to say it's conditioning, what the fuck do you call the human being's "Learning". You were spanked when you stole candy from the store, now you don't.

Dogs have brains. A chemical defect or imbalance in the brain has the ability to cause damage, which can result in mental illness. Humans have brains. Same situations apply. Thought processes in the brain are in no way related to two different species exhibiting similar mental disorders. Just because there are crazy dogs and crazy people, we're the same?

Dogs cannot think or comprehend on the levels humans can. They lack reasoning skills, and the ability to logically compare one situation with another. They can associate actions, but they cannot comprehend complex mental tasks (ever see a dog play the violin?)

For all intents and purposes, a dog will love its owners. It will liken itself as part of the family, and would do anything to protect them and to show them love. "Freeing" a dog would be analogous to me throwing you out of the house and saying you could never see your family again. Hardly a constitutent of "freedom".

[Jeanette X]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Part of freedom is being able to make the wrong choices, and just because an animal is domesticated doesnt mean it won't survive in the wild, there are instincts. It's like saying a person won't be able to survive without their parents because their parents took care of them their whole life, and that's obviously true because we all still live with our parents.

Good lord are you a moron. Instincts are one thing, but wild canines LEARN a great deal of their survival skills from their pack. A domestic dog doesn't. Do you have any idea how many strays starve to death?
Furthermore, were those dogs even neutered? Or did you just let them out to make more litters of unwanted puppies? Not to mention the risk of rabies from strays...

Animals have a "will" of their own, just like humans. That's why some animals will rip open your couch, while others would just prefer to pee on it. Another might not hurt it, merely lay on it. Ironic, then, that an animal would make the choice to leave when it so loves where it is.

A child, who has a will, and emotions of his own, can be raised in a loving, caring home, but that doesn't mean thatone who is too young to know any better won't wander off or go running into traffic.