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Old Jul 12th, 2006, 09:47 AM        Hate Group in US army
Is NYT being irresponsible and sloppy again? Can anyone confirm this??

Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts

By JOHN KIFNER
Published: July 7, 2006
A decade after the Pentagon declared a zero-tolerance policy for racist hate groups, recruiting shortfalls caused by the war in Iraq have allowed "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" to infiltrate the military, according to a watchdog organization.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, estimated that the numbers could run into the thousands, citing interviews with Defense Department investigators and reports and postings on racist Web sites and magazines.

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem."

A Defense Department spokeswoman said officials there could not comment on the report because they had not yet seen it.

The center called on Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to appoint a task force to study the problem, declare a new zero tolerance policy and strictly enforce it.

The report said that neo-Nazi groups like the National Alliance, whose founder, William Pierce, wrote "The Turner Diaries," the novel that was the inspiration and blueprint for Timothy J. McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, sought to enroll followers in the Army to get training for a race war.

The groups are being abetted, the report said, by pressure on recruiters, particularly for the Army, to meet quotas that are more difficult to reach because of the growing unpopularity of the war in Iraq.

The report quotes Scott Barfield, a Defense Department investigator, saying, "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members."

Mr. Barfield said Army recruiters struggled last year to meet goals. "They don't want to make a big deal again about neo-Nazis in the military," he said, "because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting if they feel they'll be exposed to gangs and white supremacists."

The 1996 crackdown on extremists came after revelations that Mr. McVeigh had espoused far-right ideas when he was in the Army and recruited two fellow soldiers to aid his bomb plot. Those revelations were followed by a furor that developed when three white paratroopers were convicted of the random slaying of a black couple in order to win tattoos and 19 others were discharged for participating in neo-Nazi activities.

The defense secretary at the time, William Perry, said the rules were meant to leave no room for racist and extremist activities within the military. But the report said Mr. Barfield, who is based at Fort Lewis, Wash., had said that he had provided evidence on 320 extremists there in the past year, but that only two had been discharged. He also said there was an online network of neo-Nazis.

"They're communicating with each other about weapons, about recruiting, about keeping their identities secret, about organizing within the military," he said. "Several of these individuals have since been deployed to combat missions in Iraq."

The report cited accounts by neo-Nazis of their infiltration of the military, including a discussion on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront. "There are others among you in the forces," one participant wrote. "You are never alone."

An article in the National Alliance magazine Resistance urged skinheads to join the Army and insist on being assigned to light infantry units.

The Southern Poverty Law Center identified the author as Steven Barry, who it said was a former Special Forces officer who was the alliance's "military unit coordinator."

"Light infantry is your branch of choice because the coming race war and the ethnic cleansing to follow will be very much an infantryman's war," he wrote. "It will be house-to-house, neighborhood-by-neighborhood until your town or city is cleared and the alien races are driven into the countryside where they can be hunted down and 'cleansed.' "

He concluded: "As a professional soldier, my goal is to fill the ranks of the United States Army with skinheads. As street brawlers, you will be useless in the coming race war. As trained infantrymen, you will join the ranks of the Aryan warrior brotherhood."
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Old Jul 12th, 2006, 12:08 PM        Re: Hate Group in US army
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The defense secretary at the time, William Perry, said the rules were meant to leave no room for racist and extremist activities within the military. But the report said Mr. Barfield, who is based at Fort Lewis, Wash., had said that he had provided evidence on 320 extremists there in the past year, but that only two had been discharged. He also said there was an online network of neo-Nazis.

"They're communicating with each other about weapons, about recruiting, about keeping their identities secret, about organizing within the military," he said. "Several of these individuals have since been deployed to combat missions in Iraq."

The report cited accounts by neo-Nazis of their infiltration of the military, including a discussion on the white supremacist Web site Stormfront. "There are others among you in the forces," one participant wrote. "You are never alone."
So Geggy, I'm curious, what does this report mean to you?

Is the insinuation that our military is soooo strapped that we are actively recruiting these people, or that we have simply gotten lazy about exposing them?

If your argument is the former, well you're retarded.

If it's the latter, well I'd call to your attention that these folks are making a solid effort to maintain their secrecy. They don't WANT to be outed, so they make annonymous postings on websites. Is this the fault of the U.S. military Geggy, or maybe George Bush?
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Old Jul 12th, 2006, 02:14 PM       
That's pretty damn twisted. I wonder how pervasive the problem really is though?

I also wonder how many of the remaining 318 of 320 "evidences of extremists" resulted in some fom of disciplinary action? And of those 320 how many were actually extremists and not just normal rednecks?

At any rate, it sounds like either the DoD's got a paranoid investigator or a system that has broken down. I'm quite inclined to believe the latter.
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Old Jul 12th, 2006, 07:01 PM        Re: Hate Group in US army
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If it's the latter, well I'd call to your attention that these folks are making a solid effort to maintain their secrecy. They don't WANT to be outed, so they make annonymous postings on websites. Is this the fault of the U.S. military Geggy, or maybe George Bush?
But... it's incredibly easy to make anonymous postings on the web (if you are a supar haceker like me), and military life provides for the formation of close interpersonal bonds that make it easy for such things to stay secret. How exactly does that constitute a "solid effort"? Not to mention the fact that there is absolutely no incentive for outing onesself as a member of a revolutionary extremist organization, and if there is, it's undoubtedly outweighed by disincentives.

Just because the military isn't actively pursuing members of radical organizations doesn't mean they're gonna ignore one who falls into their lap. Such people are usually dangerously individualistic, anyway.

The problem is mainly one of poor or lazy screening. Recruiters are supposed to get written statements when a potential recruit has more than a certain number of tattoos that such body art is not gang-related. Ultimately, it falls upon the recruiter to not falsify or whitewash such documents or others regarding criminal records, drug use, medical problems, etc. After the recruit becomes an enlistee, the state of affairs reverts to the familiar "don't ask don't tell."
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Old Jul 12th, 2006, 07:52 PM       
My buddy got kicked out of Air Force boot camp for having too many tattoos.
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Old Jul 12th, 2006, 10:43 PM        Re: Hate Group in US army
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The problem is mainly one of poor or lazy screening. Recruiters are supposed to get written statements when a potential recruit has more than a certain number of tattoos that such body art is not gang-related. Ultimately, it falls upon the recruiter to not falsify or whitewash such documents or others regarding criminal records, drug use, medical problems, etc. After the recruit becomes an enlistee, the state of affairs reverts to the familiar "don't ask don't tell."
There's only so much you can screen. I'm guessing there's a fair number of white supremacists without tats. I could be wrong about that, i dunno.

Maybe they should ask them if they hate black people.
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Old Jul 13th, 2006, 09:22 PM       
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My buddy got kicked out of Air Force boot camp for having too many tattoos.
How? Did he lie when he was at MEPS?
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Old Jul 13th, 2006, 09:53 PM       
I have an amazing amoutn of tattoos, and they do not care.

I can even get hand tattoos now.
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Old Jul 13th, 2006, 10:17 PM       
The army and the airforce have different rules, and I think that was a recent change in policy so they could get more recruits...

They still can't be racist, sexist or gang related.
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Old Jul 14th, 2006, 10:05 AM       
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How? Did he lie when he was at MEPS?
I dunno the full story. I'll have to ask him.

They probably thought the Dangermouse tattoo represented a terrorist or something.
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Old Jul 17th, 2006, 05:50 PM       
this can't be that serious
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Old Jul 19th, 2006, 03:47 PM       
http://www.thepowerhour.com/press_release/press19.htm

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Old Jul 19th, 2006, 03:51 PM       
Geggy, why would you care about a swastika? I mean, its not like the Halocaust ever happened.
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Old Jul 19th, 2006, 03:58 PM       
Umm when did I ever say that it never happened?
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Old Jul 19th, 2006, 03:59 PM       
"Adolf Hitler promoted a “New World Order” and planned to implement it as his Third Reich came to power. Is this the same “New World Order” that George H. Bush Sr., Gary Hart and Bill Clinton speak of? What possible reason could there be for a building to have been constructed on a military base with this horrifying reminder of hate and genocide?"

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Old Jul 19th, 2006, 06:36 PM       
Hitler was a patsy.
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