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Old Mar 3rd, 2004, 08:41 PM        Petition to support the right of every American to marry
sign it damnit

http://www.hrc.org/millionformarriage/index.shtml



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and for more information on why it is important to support this:
Rights and Protections Denied Same-Sex Partners
http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Sect...entDisplay.cfm
and
An overview of federal rights and protections granted to married couples
http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Sect...ontentID=16954
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Old Mar 3rd, 2004, 09:09 PM       
I think everyone should have the right to ruin their lives by getting married.

Good idea actually. I just signed it.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2004, 10:24 PM       
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Old Mar 3rd, 2004, 10:33 PM       
Yeah, I would, but I hate fagets.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 08:23 AM       
I would, but e-petitions are legally a joke
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 09:02 AM       
I was watching Dateline about this guy that wanted a sex change after years of being married to a women he up and told his wife and two kids that he always wanted to be a woman :/ The requirement by the doctors was that he had to dress as a woman and live like a woman for a year. I think that this idea should be adopted for gay couples that want to get married that they be living together for atleast a year or two (two if you want children).
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 09:09 AM       
What about straight couples as well then?
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 09:25 AM       
Hetero sexual couples already have the right :/ Gay relationships are different from hetero. I'm not saying I'm against it I just think that in order to prevent a new string of divorce and possible Gay marriages that bring children into the situation it would be better to have some requirement. Alot of Hetero sexual couples should have a one year requirement :/
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 09:34 AM       
I think the concept of marriage has outgrown its usefulness
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 09:40 AM       
Same here!

There will never be happy, educated children until the family unit is replaced!
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 10:19 AM       
Fartin, why is it worse if a gay couple who have kids split up than a straight couple who have kids splitting up? You cant have restrictions on one and not the other, especially considering even if it was legal everywhere you are still going to have many more straight couples with kids divorcing than gay ones.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 11:31 AM       
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Same here!

There will never be happy, educated children until the family unit is replaced!
robots are the only efficient parents.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 11:34 AM       
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Fartin, why is it worse if a gay couple who have kids split up than a straight couple who have kids splitting up
Well if it is a child that would be adopted or artificial incemination I think that the kid deserves a stable home :/
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 11:39 AM       
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 11:43 AM       
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Fartin, why is it worse if a gay couple who have kids split up than a straight couple who have kids splitting up
Well if it is a child that would be adopted or artificial incemination I think that the kid deserves a stable home :/
How is a straight family more stable than a gay one?
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 11:50 AM       
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 12:11 PM       
No, a loving stable family is the best. There are plenty of 'moms and dads' who should never have been allowed to have children and are fucking terrible at raising kids. Love and stability are more important than just gender surely.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 12:44 PM       
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Love and stability are more important than just gender surely.
I think there a better people to argue the point that a man and woman are a better combination for children but that's what I think is best. It's a new thing for gay's to marry so let them wait a year and if they marry and a year later are stable then they can apply for adoption or what ever else they want to do. There is a very big possibility that alot of non gay people will abuse the system and claim they are gay and ruin what they are fighting for.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 01:58 PM       
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Same here!

There will never be happy, educated children until the family unit is replaced!
Thanks for your input, Mr. Marx.

I agree that marriage as an institution has lost its relevance. But I don't mean families shouldn't exist. I mean marriage was invented by religions as a license for people to have sex and kids and in order to keep them together. But now that a) premarital sex is socially acceptable and b) divorce is popular and has no stigma attached, marriage doesn't succeed at its original purpose. Couples who will stay together in today's society will stay together whether they're married or not. Marriage is obsolete and unnecessary.

And I'm not going to go into the family issue.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 03:19 PM        Sheesh
What about that fact that many of the gay couples that want marraige have been living together for over 15 years already?

I think they have passed the "trial phase"

Hell, from what I have seen the people who have come to SF to get m,arried have far better relationships that almost any straight couple I know.

On the issue of kids....how often do you think that a mono gay couple has an accidental pregnancy? Seriously, there is no "ooops" I'm pregnant. They have thought about, wanted and planned for their children. That is a hell of a lot better than a lot of kids ever get.

Dole, I agree with you all the way. 2 loving parents REGARDLESS OF THEIR SEX are what matters. Especially when you consider the rate of abuse these days.

Pern I'm with you as well.

Funny, hetero couples in large part have come to the point were divorce is common, people have starter marriages, kids out of wedlock and so on. There is so little respect for the institution of marriage. And yet these gay couples have respect for it, want it and are being denied it.
Sometimes I wonder if it is envy that drives the anti side of this debate. Envy that these "disgusting perverted gays" have a beter grasp of love and commitment than a lot straight people could ever hope to have.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 04:31 PM       
I think that having two gay parents can make a child insecure with his sexuality.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 04:32 PM       
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Sometimes I wonder if it is envy that drives the anti side of this debate. Envy that these "disgusting perverted gays" have a beter grasp of love and commitment than a lot straight people could ever hope to have.

Envy that I don't know how to coordinate my clothes maybe :/
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 05:12 PM       
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I think that having two gay parents can make a child insecure with his sexuality.
Heaven forbid they start posting on message boards about the size of their genitals.
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Old Mar 4th, 2004, 07:15 PM       
Do you think that they'd be comparing penis sizes with their children?!
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