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[VaporTrailx1]

4 hours left I can legally smoke in bars in the state of Wisconsin.

[The Leader]

You know what you must do.

[Zhukov]

Sucked in smokers. Go and stand outside in the cold.

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Sucked in smokers. Go and stand outside in the cold.

Yeah and make sure to stand the required 50 feet away from the door so it takes you even longer to get back in when your done just so I dont have to smell it when Im going out to my car. Suckers.




man am I glad I quit when I did.

[Fathom Zero]

Originally Posted by The Leader

You know what you must do.

Kill yourself

[The Leader]

Originally Posted by Fathom Zero

Kill yourself

Me or is that what he must do?

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Are they unbanning smoking inside bars in WI? I don't feel like looking into it further.

[VaporTrailx1]

nobody would let me take their ashtrays. They're not using em anymore, why not!

[Tadao]

IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD

[The Leader]

[Tadao]

Who's gonna pay most of your taxes if you get people to stop smoking? HUH SMART GUY?

[Dimnos]

Oh Im not trying to get them to stop. I just like to laugh at their misfortune.

[Tadao]

AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE KIDS AND CAN GO TO HAWAII

[Tadao]

[Dimnos]

[The Leader]

[kahljorn]

WHY DO PEOPLE SMOKE CIGARETTES?

EVEN WHEN I WAS A KID I DIDNT GET HIGH

[Pentegarn]

SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide, so you could save hundreds of dollars a month by sucking on your car's exhaust pipe

[Zhukov]

I never smoked when I was a kid because I was too cool for peer pressure, and also too lame to be in the cool group that smoked.

[VaporTrailx1]

Cigarette Smoke isn't that bad once you find out the stuff you breath all day long living in an urban environment. BTW, doesn't TAB soda cause cancer too?

a short list of every day items i've been told will give me cancer. If I made a list of every day things that can simply "kill you" it would be very very long.

Deodorant
Bras
Coffee
Beer
Plastic containers
Styrofoam cups
Vitamin E (anti-oxidant?)
Talc Powder
Cell Phones
Potato Chips
Polyester
Used Motor Oil
Suntan lotion (fucking ironic huh?)

actually, i think this list should become an ongoing post in and of itself we can all add to.

BTW The argument isn't about smoke. It's about rights. Bars and businesses are private establishments. If you don't smoke, and it bothers you, why the hell not just go to a bar that's smoke free? There were plenty of them already. Why then not make it illegal for a bar to be a sports bar, or a gay bar, or a biker bar simply because it's not your demographic?

In otherwords, this is America and you have the right to choose. The anti-smokers took away my right to choose as well as the business owners right to.

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by VaporTrailx1

In otherwords, this is America and you have the right to choose. The anti-smokers took away my right to choose as well as the business owners right to.

What about those who choose not to smoke but have to breathe your toxic exhaled by-product? What about their right to choose not to breathe that shit in? I guess none of that matters as long as you get what you want though right?

[Grislygus]

oh man, i wish i could hop in and call anyone who bitched about cigarette smoke in a BAR a pussy, but i got a funny story on that subject; back in coos bay, the bar at the indian casino heavily encouraged smoking, but every time i ordered a scotch and lit up a cigar every single cigarette smoker that wasn't in my group would bitch loudly about MY smoking, so I'm not very sympathetic

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by VaporTrailx1

a short list of every day items i've been told will give me cancer. If I made a list of every day things that can simply "kill you" it would be very very long.

Deodorant
Bras
Coffee
Beer
Plastic containers
Styrofoam cups
Vitamin E (anti-oxidant?)
Talc Powder
Cell Phones
Potato Chips
Polyester
Used Motor Oil
Suntan lotion (fucking ironic huh?)

Here's a short list of everyday items that only effect those who choose to use them in terms of impact on physical health and that do not have a toxic exhaled by-product

Deodorant
Bras
Coffee
Beer
Plastic containers
Styrofoam cups
Vitamin E (anti-oxidant?)
Talc Powder
Cell Phones
Potato Chips
Polyester
Used Motor Oil
Suntan lotion

I have to laugh at the smokers counter argument "well item x causes cancer too, why aren't we bitching about that?" It is a very transparent attempt to draw attention away from the issue at hand. The fact is, none of you smokers would have this problem if you weren't so weak minded that you had to let yourself get addicted to smoking in the first place. All you had to do was turn down that first offered cigarette you chose (yes chose) to say yes to, and you would not be complaining about your freedom now because your freedom would be unaffected by smoking bans. You exercised your freedom of choice when you chose to take that first drag. Now your free choice has a consequence (consequences such as your addiction and control over your life and freedoms said addiction has such as forcing you outside to smoke)

Freedom of choice does not include freedom from personal responsibility.

[VaporTrailx1]

If you don't like what I'm doing, stay away. You have other places to go, I'm not forcing you to go where the smoke is. If I don't like the atmosphere of a place, I stay the fuck away, I don't try to tell someone to change their menu, pricing, furniture, clientel etc just because it makes me happy. I go somewhere else that fits me.


the irony is that this state somehow keeps getting closer to legalizing marijuana

[Dimnos]

Originally Posted by Pentegarn

Here's a short list of everyday items that only effect those who choose to use them in terms of impact on physical health and that do not have a toxic exhaled by-product

Deodorant
Bras
Coffee
Beer
Plastic containers
Styrofoam cups
Vitamin E (anti-oxidant?)
Talc Powder
Cell Phones
Potato Chips
Polyester
Used Motor Oil
Suntan lotion

I have to laugh at the smokers counter argument "well item x causes cancer too, why aren't we bitching about that?" It is a very transparent attempt to draw attention away from the issue at hand.

Good point.

Originally Posted by Pentegarn

The fact is, none of you smokers would have this problem if you weren't so weak minded that you had to let yourself get addicted to smoking in the first place. All you had to do was turn down that first offered cigarette you chose (yes chose) to say yes to, and you would not be complaining about your freedom air now because your freedom would be unaffected by smoking bans. You exercised your freedom of choice when you chose to take that first drag. Now your free choice has a consequence (consequences such as your addiction and control over your life and freedoms said addiction has such as forcing you outside to smoke)

Freedom of choice does not include freedom from personal responsibility.

Couldnt almost the same be said about non-smokers walking into bars where smoking is allowed.

The fact is, none of you non-smokers would have this problem if you weren't so weak minded that you had to let yourself get addicted to walked into a bar that allowed smoking in the first place. All you had to do was turn down that first offered cigarette bar you chose (yes chose) to say yes to, and you would not be complaining about your freedom air now because your freedom air would be unaffected by smoking bans. You exercised your freedom of choice when you chose to take that first drag walk into a smoky bar. Now your free choice has a consequence (consequences such as your addiction air and the smoke you supposedly chose not to breath and control over your life and freedoms said addiction has such as forcing you outside to smoke to a different bar)

Freedom of choice does not include freedom from personal responsibility.