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Old Jul 25th, 2003, 02:00 AM        A summer of conservative discontent
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/g...20030724.shtml

A summer of conservative discontent
George Will (archive)

July 24, 2003

WASHINGTON -- This is the summer of conservatives' discontent. Conservatism has been disoriented by events in the last several weeks. Cumulatively, foreign and domestic developments constitute an identity crisis of conservatism, which is being recast -- and perhaps rendered incoherent.

George W. Bush may be the most conservative person to serve as president since Calvin Coolidge. Yet his presidency is coinciding with, and is in some instances initiating or ratifying, developments disconcerting to four factions within conservatism.

The faction that focuses on foreign policy has four core principles: Preserve U.S. sovereignty and freedom of action by marginalizing the United Nations. Reserve military interventions for reasons of U.S. national security, not altruism. Avoid peacekeeping operations that compromise the military's war-fighting proficiencies. Beware of the political hubris inherent in the intensely unconservative project of ``nation-building.''

Today a conservative administration is close to asserting that whatever the facts turn out to be regarding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the enforcement of U.N. resolutions was a sufficient reason for war. If so, war was waged to strengthen the United Nations as author and enforcer of international norms of behavior. The administration also intimates that ending a tyranny was a sufficient justification for war. Foreign policy conservatism has become colored by triumphalism and crusading zeal. That may be one reason why consideration is being given to a quite optional intervention -- regime change, actually -- in Liberia.

The conservative faction that focuses on low taxes as the key to economic dynamism and individual opportunity has had two good years. But this faction must be unsettled by signs that the president's refusal to veto last year's abominable farm bill (in fact, he has vetoed nothing) was not an aberration. The tax cutting seems unrelated to any thoughtful notion of what the government should and should not do.


Howard Dean, who will say anything while pandering to his party's activists, says the Bush administration aims to ``dismantle" Medicare. Actually, the administration is eager to approve the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society 40 years ago.


A prescription drug entitlement is not inherently unconservative, unless the welfare state itself is -- and it isn't. If the pharmacological revolution that has occurred since Medicare was enacted in 1965 had occurred by then, some such entitlement would have been included. But the administration probably will approve an entitlement of unknowable cost ($400 billion over 10 years is today's guess, which is probably low), without reform of Medicare.


The conservative faction that focuses on constitutionalism and democratic due process winced when the president seemed to approve of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's opinion affirming the constitutionality of racial preferences for diversity in higher education -- and perhaps in many other spheres of life. The concept of group rights -- of government complicity in allocating wealth and opportunity on the basis of skin pigmentation -- now has a conservative president's imprimatur.


Finally, this summer the faction called ``social conservatives'' has been essentially read out of America's political conversation. Their agenda has been stigmatized as morally wrong and constitutionally dubious by the Supreme Court, seven of whose nine members are Republican appointees. Justice Anthony Kennedy -- like O'Connor, a Reagan appointee -- wrote the opinion striking down a Texas law criminalizing consensual adult homosexual acts. Kennedy asserted, in effect, that laws intended to strengthen a majority's moral principles -- laws of a sort America has never been without -- are constitutionally suspect.


The president is rightly reluctant to endorse a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a heterosexual institution: constitutionalizing social policy is generally unwise. But the administration's principal objective may be to avoid fights about cultural questions. Two weeks ago the administration reaffirmed the irrational and unfair implementation standards of the Title IX ban on sex discrimination in college athletics. Those standards are now immortal, having received a conservative administration's approval.


What blow will befall conservatives next? Watch the Supreme Court, the composition of which matters more than does the composition of Congress.


Justice David Souter, nominated by the first President Bush, quickly became a reliable member of the Supreme Court's liberal bloc. Alberto Gonzales, the White House counsel who came with this President Bush from Texas, may be chosen to fill the next court vacancy. The likelihood of a vacancy during this presidency has given rise to a grim joke among conservatives:


How do you say ``Souter'' in Spanish? ``Gonzales.''

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Old Jul 25th, 2003, 06:01 AM       
"Conservatism has been disoriented by events in the last several weeks."

No it hasn't. Regardless of the Neo-Conservative zenith, those of us whom disagree are merely disappointed, not disoriented.

"Cumulatively, foreign and domestic developments constitute an identity crisis of conservatism, which is being recast -- and perhaps rendered incoherent."

This is confusing only for those on the outside looking in. Those of us whom ascribe to the Conservative philosophy know the trend for what it is: A true schism. There have been many in the past, and there will be more in the future, it is the natural process of any party which seeks to properly reflect the will of the people. Adaptation and change.

"George W. Bush may be the most conservative person to serve as president since Calvin Coolidge."

Calvin was a man whom believed in a small government wholely responsible to the people. He is the only President to have left the deficit in the same condition leaving office as he found it when he first began his term. Bush has abused almost every sentiment that Coolidge found hallow. To compare the two is eggregiously ignorant.

"The faction that focuses on foreign policy has four core principles:"

According to this author, and I agree, but none of them listed below.

"Preserve U.S. sovereignty and freedom of action by marginalizing the United Nations."

The United Nations should have been aborted, rather than adopted. Any power which can subdue the sovereign power of a nation through majority vote of contending countries is inherently unscrupulous, possessing indiscreet powers of adjudication. Every nation has the right to manifest destiny, perhaps its only right, and any power or principality which would stand against that right should be cast down utterly -For it was that sort of power which the Axis sought in World War 2, and the Soviet Union took upon itself after. No man, or tribunal of men, is wise enough to hold judgeship over the Earth.

"Reserve military interventions for reasons of U.S. national security, not altruism."

No military action undetaken by this country since its conception had been in pursuit of purely altruistic nor national security reasons. If any disagree, I will happily meet their contention and assert otherwise. With great power comes great responsibility; Were it not for our politically inspired wars of the past, So Korea would likely be in the same condition as No Korea. Russia would likely still be socialist, and the Panama Canal would be in the hands of the Germans. Having abandoned our isolationist ideals, we can not now assume them again because it seems easier. We must shoulder the burden we have undertaken and commit ourselves wholely.

"Avoid peacekeeping operations that compromise the military's war-fighting proficiencies."

The US has never faced any war action fully prepared; Indeed, it was the threat, and sometimes the reality, or war which prompted growth in our technological and tactical abilities. Success and failure in peacekeeping operations, while costly at the time, saved lives in future engagements. Until peace is proclaimed across this tired Earth, we can not afford to trade swords for plowshares.

"Beware of the political hubris inherent in the intensely unconservative project of ``nation-building.''

Beware also the mewling words of cowards who see hardship and flinch at the challenge. The US, regardless of pitiful muttering to the country, is not acting imperialistically. We are not nation-building, or annexing, or colonizing in the Middle East or any other country.

"Today a conservative administration is close to asserting that whatever the facts turn out to be regarding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the enforcement of U.N. resolutions was a sufficient reason for war."

If the UN is not able to enforce its decrees, then its judgements are invalids - in deed and truth.

"If so, war was waged to strengthen the United Nations as author and enforcer of international norms of behavior."

Not necessarily. If we had desposed Sadaam Hussein because of his genocidal campaign against the Kurds, it would not have been for the Kurds, but simply because the actions were an affront to our sensibilities. If we had desposed Sadaam Hussein because of his imperialistic campaign against the Kuwaiti's, it need not be because we are an ally to Kuwait, but because we see that in a world where the propensity for massive loss comes so easily to even the smallest countries, any nation which does not value peace must be stilled whatever the cost.

"The administration also intimates that ending a tyranny was a sufficient justification for war."

Would any disagree? Or is tyranny to be ignored so long as it's cancerous touch is not directly felt upon one's self? I say reap the whirlwind George Will, and study the Reich's rise to power, and tell me again when intervention is called for against tyrannical powers.

"But this faction must be unsettled by signs that the president's refusal to veto last year's abominable farm bill (in fact, he has vetoed nothing) was not an aberration."

A President should only rarely need to exercise his Veto abilities. Each Senator and Congressman is intimately attatched to the constituants which both suppose and oppose him. Their actions should be an apt reflection of what the majority will accept. The President, a single man whom neither debates over nor possesses a complete understanding of any Bill set before him, should agonize over every Veto he commits himself to. Clinton may have been glib with the powers invested in him, but hopefully not all Presidents will have the same expected of them.

"The conservative faction that focuses on constitutionalism and democratic due process winced when the president seemed to approve of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's opinion affirming the constitutionality of racial preferences for diversity in higher education -- and perhaps in many other spheres of life."

Weak choice of words for such a strong accusation. Seemed? He appeared to smile at a picture of MLK during his speech of March 23rd. He is, therefore, a strong proponant of civil rights.

"The president is rightly reluctant to endorse a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a heterosexual institution: constitutionalizing social policy is generally unwise."

And writing referandum regardling the legality of private practices which reflect social acceptabilities goes against everything the spirit of this nation stands for. Whatever the reason for Bush's refusal to endorse such an amendment, any conjecture is a fruitless reflection of the author and his opinion, rather than an apt portrayal of the reality.
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Old Jul 26th, 2003, 12:36 PM       
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George W. Bush may be the most conservative person to serve as president since Calvin Coolidge.
Huh? I thought the general consensur was that he was a moderate.
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Old Jul 26th, 2003, 02:26 PM       
Blanco-- I think he is viewed as "moderate" on spending, but in that case, Reagan would have been as well, since he left the government more bloated than Clinton did.

I think Will's point is pertaining to his "Christianness," which is a bit more than even his father's. When Bush was elected, Pat Robertson was quoted as saying that the new leader of the Christian Coalition (in spirit, I guess).

George the 1st, when looked back on, is often viewed as more of a neo-liberal than a traditional conservative. I guess Will's point is that if Bush could act out more conservatively through policy, he would.

Ror-- Yu made some interesting comments, more on that later when I can give it its deserved time....
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Old Jul 27th, 2003, 06:42 PM       
I'm glad you could make sense of it. Early morning posts are not my forte. I used 'country' for contrary, and 'suppose' for support.

I'm sure there are worse typoes I missed even in re-reading
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Old Jul 31st, 2003, 06:56 PM       
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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach
"Conservatism has been disoriented by events in the last several weeks."

No it hasn't. Regardless of the Neo-Conservative zenith, those of us whom disagree are merely disappointed, not disoriented.
Will: A matter of semantics. The guy running the train is a neo-con, and that's where the policy is headed. You may be disappointed, by conservative icons are turning in their graves.

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"Cumulatively, foreign and domestic developments constitute an identity crisis of conservatism, which is being recast -- and perhaps rendered incoherent."

This is confusing only for those on the outside looking in. Those of us whom ascribe to the Conservative philosophy know the trend for what it is: A true schism. There have been many in the past, and there will be more in the future, it is the natural process of any party which seeks to properly reflect the will of the people. Adaptation and change.
This is tough, b/c I'm reading it out of context in an attempt to defend George Will, but anyway...

Will: Liberalism and Conservatism transcend the Party institutions. Sure, the Party lines will change, but change isn't always a good thing (see LBJ and the signing of the Civil Rights Act. Try to get a southern conservative to vote Democrat again...).

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"George W. Bush may be the most conservative person to serve as president since Calvin Coolidge."

Calvin was a man whom believed in a small government wholely responsible to the people. He is the only President to have left the deficit in the same condition leaving office as he found it when he first began his term. Bush has abused almost every sentiment that Coolidge found hallow. To compare the two is eggregiously ignorant.
I don't know who I'm speaking for: Again, I think Will distinguishes between the Bush of theory and the Bush of practice. I disagree that Bush is a real conservative in the "traditional" sense of the word, but he's certainly more of a moral conservative than what this country and her liberalism will allow him to be.

"Preserve U.S. sovereignty and freedom of action by marginalizing the United Nations."

The United Nations should have been aborted, rather than adopted. Any power which can subdue the sovereign power of a nation through majority vote of contending countries is inherently unscrupulous, possessing indiscreet powers of adjudication. Every nation has the right to manifest destiny, perhaps its only right, and any power or principality which would stand against that right should be cast down utterly -For it was that sort of power which the Axis sought in World War 2, and the Soviet Union took upon itself after. No man, or tribunal of men, is wise enough to hold judgeship over the Earth.[/quote]

Will: I agree, but we can't be Monday morning quarterbacks, now can we??? Subvert, subvert, subvert!!!

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"Reserve military interventions for reasons of U.S. national security, not altruism."

No military action undetaken by this country since its conception had been in pursuit of purely altruistic nor national security reasons. If any disagree, I will happily meet their contention and assert otherwise. With great power comes great responsibility; Were it not for our politically inspired wars of the past, So Korea would likely be in the same condition as No Korea. Russia would likely still be socialist, and the Panama Canal would be in the hands of the Germans. Having abandoned our isolationist ideals, we can not now assume them again because it seems easier. We must shoulder the burden we have undertaken and commit ourselves wholely.
Will: But the altruism came along for the ride, with the national self-interest driving the car, as it should be. Any altruistic benefits to those mentioned wars should've been nearly coincidental, and really just make your case for war stronger. In the end however, N. Korea and the Communist threat..er, threatened the free world, Russia was it's starting point, and the Panama Canal improves our ability to transport goods and materials. AND, not having it in the hands of the Germans is a GOOD thing as far as our security went, and there's nothing altruistic about that at all.

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"Avoid peacekeeping operations that compromise the military's war-fighting proficiencies."

The US has never faced any war action fully prepared; Indeed, it was the threat, and sometimes the reality, or war which prompted growth in our technological and tactical abilities. Success and failure in peacekeeping operations, while costly at the time, saved lives in future engagements. Until peace is proclaimed across this tired Earth, we can not afford to trade swords for plowshares.
Will: Somalia, and dare I say Kosovo contest your argument, and further, why were we in these countries?? Kosovo is arguable, since the preservation of NATO's utility seemed important for our own interests at the time, but Somalia?? Any military action taken for purely altruistic reasons is a waste of our resources.

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"Beware of the political hubris inherent in the intensely unconservative project of ``nation-building.''

Beware also the mewling words of cowards who see hardship and flinch at the challenge. The US, regardless of pitiful muttering to the country, is not acting imperialistically. We are not nation-building, or annexing, or colonizing in the Middle East or any other country.
Will: Fair enough, but I was actually just addressing the premise of the ideology, not naming names or operations. But on that note, how are we not nation building in Iraq? It will require millions, if not billions, to get them on their feet. We will need to keep our brave men and women there, when their key goal should be protecting our borders. A true conservative would model the Afghanistan operation rather than this one. We went in, bombed the threat, and have done little in the ways of nation building thus far.

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"Today a conservative administration is close to asserting that whatever the facts turn out to be regarding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the enforcement of U.N. resolutions was a sufficient reason for war."

If the UN is not able to enforce its decrees, then its judgements are invalids - in deed and truth.
Will: I'm an international conservative. Their deeds and supposed "truths" have never meant a thing to me, so why start now???

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"If so, war was waged to strengthen the United Nations as author and enforcer of international norms of behavior."

Not necessarily. If we had desposed Sadaam Hussein because of his genocidal campaign against the Kurds, it would not have been for the Kurds, but simply because the actions were an affront to our sensibilities.
Will: A what?? Conservatives don't use such big words, my boy (NOTE: Sorry, I couldn't resis that interjection, I feel like I have a split personality).

Seriouisly though, our sensibilities belong HERE. Conservatives are NOT nation builders. Let nations build nations.


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If we had desposed Sadaam Hussein because of his imperialistic campaign against the Kuwaiti's, it need not be because we are an ally to Kuwait, but because we see that in a world where the propensity for massive loss comes so easily to even the smallest countries, any nation which does not value peace must be stilled whatever the cost.
Will: Poetic, but unrealistic. Fact of the matter is that any real conservative DID support the 1st Gulf War, because it was in our own interests. I'm having my doubts about this war, however.....

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"The administration also intimates that ending a tyranny was a sufficient justification for war."

Would any disagree? Or is tyranny to be ignored so long as it's cancerous touch is not directly felt upon one's self? I say reap the whirlwind George Will, and study the Reich's rise to power, and tell me again when intervention is called for against tyrannical powers.
That tyranny became a problem when it infringed upon others, particularly our allies. And we did wait a while to get in the war, all to that Socialist FDR's dismay.

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"But this faction must be unsettled by signs that the president's refusal to veto last year's abominable farm bill (in fact, he has vetoed nothing) was not an aberration."

A President should only rarely need to exercise his Veto abilities. Each Senator and Congressman is intimately attatched to the constituants which both suppose and oppose him. Their actions should be an apt reflection of what the majority will accept. The President, a single man whom neither debates over nor possesses a complete understanding of any Bill set before him, should agonize over every Veto he commits himself to. Clinton may have been glib with the powers invested in him, but hopefully not all Presidents will have the same expected of them.
Will: It's the nature of the game. Democrats HAVE used it to their own ends, as have Republicans. And by golly, why shouldn't they? We were elected by the people, and in that trust we will use our discretion to govern in the way we see fit.

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"The president is rightly reluctant to endorse a constitutional amendment defining marriage as a heterosexual institution: constitutionalizing social policy is generally unwise."

And writing referandum regardling the legality of private practices which reflect social acceptabilities goes against everything the spirit of this nation stands for. Whatever the reason for Bush's refusal to endorse such an amendment, any conjecture is a fruitless reflection of the author and his opinion, rather than an apt portrayal of the reality.
Will: Well, it seems I may have been wrong. Looks like Mr. Bush (G.W. as I call him on the golf course) will oppose gay marriages. Whether or not this is very conservative of him is debatable.
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Old Jul 31st, 2003, 07:51 PM       
Mmm, I understand your point, but I'm going to dither over a couple of points which I found rather. . .Well, darkly cynical even for this site:

"Any military action taken for purely altruistic reasons is a waste of our resources."

In the Feudal period it was easy to see boundaries, and they were as contrived as they were abundant. Differences in religious view point, nationality, intellectual allegance and wealth were all matters of contention which lead to a disparing lack of brotherhood between men who could otherwise have lived peacefully amongst one another. The world in which we live is small, but certainly larger than such backwards, narrow principles which will only drive us further apart and create future animosity and unheaval. Military action taken for purely altruistic reasons can never be considered a waste of resources, especially to the nation who's very birth is owed to the aide of the resident reigning powers of the time.

"But on that note, how are we not nation building in Iraq? It will require millions, if not billions, to get them on their feet."

As did the Marshall Plan. Do we then, own either the land or allegance of France or Germany? Is what we are attempting to do any difference, save that the climate in which we are attempting to lend aide has been made arteficially hostile towards our intent.

"Seriouisly though, our sensibilities belong HERE. Conservatives are NOT nation builders. Let nations build nations."

Allow me to reiterate, having stepped into the arena of world politics, we cannot againt retreat into the stands of isolation. For better or for worse, we must accept where past decisions have landed us, and do what we may to endure. It is not the easier path, nor perhaps the best this nation could have taken, but it is far too late for anything but resignation. Conservativism must change, as it has begun to over the last fifty years, to act as the conscience which will limit the potential to abuse our international projection of power, rather than continue to lament over the fate which we have come to.

"That tyranny became a problem when it infringed upon others, particularly our allies."

In the context of World War 2, from which your statement was given, it first it was a problem for the rightful citizens of Germany. The Rev. Niemöller spent time in one of the concentration camps, and it would be wise to remember his words regarding the rise of the Reich:

"In Germany, they first came for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics. I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up."

"Will: Well, it seems I may have been wrong. Looks like Mr. Bush (G.W. as I call him on the golf course) will oppose gay marriages. Whether or not this is very conservative of him is debatable."

Don't worry. . .I was wrong too. I was hopeful he wouldn't interfere.
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2745-7196r.htm

Conservative lament

By Ralph Z. Hallow
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The conservative movement has scored historic gains but has yet to achieve several of its basic goals.
That's the verdict of some of its founding fathers (and one important mother).
"We won the battle against communism, but I guess we've largely lost the battle against big government," says Eagle Forum President Phyllis Schlafly, 79, who defied conventional wisdom by leading a women's crusade that defeated the Equal Rights Amendment in the mid-1970s.
"And we've lost lots of our liberties," says Mrs. Schlafly, a national leader of the conservative movement since 1964, when Sen. Barry Goldwater ran for the presidency as the Republican nominee.
Although Mr. Goldwater was soundly defeated by Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964, the Arizona Republican's campaign was a watershed for political conservatism. Mr. Goldwater championed small government, lower taxes and global anticommunism.
Mrs. Schlafly is one in a small coterie of surviving founders who struggled for many years to popularize conservative politics and finally to elect Ronald Reagan as president for two terms beginning in 1980. They agree that Mr. Reagan remains the most admired figure of modern conservatism.
These movement founders also concur with the observation of William Rusher, former publisher of National Review magazine, that one of the most significant achievements has been that the "conservative movement has come to dominate the Republican Party totally."
The growing conservative trend among Republicans has had an ironic effect on the Democratic Party, Mr. Rusher says, prompting a largely successful effort by liberal Democrats "to wipe out the last vestiges of conservatism" in their party.
At 80, Mr. Rusher, a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship, is optimistic about the future of the conservative movement. This sentiment is echoed by Edwin J. Feulner, 62, president of the Heritage Foundation, who says that the conservative movement has achieved many of its original aims — both at home and abroad.
"The biggest achievements have been helping the people of Eastern Europe to become free, cutting taxes, reforming welfare and transforming the military," says Mr. Feulner, who began his involvement in the movement 33 years ago as a young activist aide to Rep. Philip M. Crane, Illinois Republican.
Losing steam
Despite its successes, some of these leaders are troubled by the failure of the conservative movement to secure one of its major goals: the rolling back of big government entitlement programs.
"What attracted me to conservatism in 1959 was the idea that maybe we could turn back the leviathan government that was taking away our liberties," says Donald J. Devine, 66, an official in the Reagan administration.
"How little did I know we were living in a system with less federal presence and interference than we have now — 44 years later," Mr. Devine says.
Other leaders, such as Richard A. Viguerie, 69, recognized for his pioneering direct-mail fund raising for the conservative movement, worry that conservatism has paid a price for its political success.
"Today we have a situation we haven't faced since the presidency of Ronald Reagan," Mr. Viguerie says. "When your own people are presumed to be in power, it is much more difficult to build a movement. During the Reagan years, we at least had leaders such as [North Carolina Sen. Jesse] Helms who consciously stuck to the conservative agenda."
One political reality, Mr. Viguerie says, is that the "conservatives in Congress today are not movement players. They are part of the Republican team assembled by President Bush and [Bush chief strategist] Karl Rove. No matter how much overlap there may be between the two agendas, their first allegiance is to the Republican Party rather than the conservative movement."
One of the greatest impediments to the success of the movement, some leaders suggest, was the fundamental incompatibility between two of its major goals — scaling back the size and scope of the federal government and waging an aggressive foreign policy to defeat communism around the world.
"In the early years, there were no 'big government conservatives' around — at least no one who would admit to being that," Mr. Viguerie says. "We all believed we were fighting to roll back the welfare state and return to constitutional government.
"The problem was, how do you accomplish that if you're also fighting communism, which requires increased expenditures and a bigger role for government in the national economy?" Mr. Viguerie asks.
Learning compromise
Another problem the conservative movement had was that it emerged in the 1950s primarily as an intellectual force — not a political one.
The movement's core ideas were established in seminal works like Friedrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" in 1944, Russell Kirk's "The Conservative Mind" in 1953 and Milton Friedman's "Capitalism and Freedom" in 1962.
"Conservatives were blessed with these thinkers and others," including National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr., says M. Stanton Evans, 69, founding director of the National Journalism Center and an anti-communist stalwart for more than 50 years.
Mr. Buckley made his name with "God and Man at Yale" in 1951 and defended Joseph McCarthy's search for communist sympathizers in the government. He harshly criticized moderate "Eisenhower Republicanism" in his 1959 best-seller, "Up From Liberalism."
What this intellectual movement lacked then was power. It was at the 1960 Republican convention that the "ideological glob of intellectuals, writers and protesters transformed itself into a political movement," recalls American Conservative Union Chairman David A. Keene.
Mr. Keene, who was national chairman of the Young Americans for Freedom in the 1960s, says a defining moment came at the 1960 convention when Mr. Goldwater withdrew his name from consideration for the Republican vice-presidential nomination. The Arizona senator told his fellow conservatives to "grow up," concede that they had lost the convention to Vice President Richard M. Nixon, pull together to defeat the Democrats in the 1960 election — and work to take over the Republican Party.
By 1964, conservatives succeeded in capturing the GOP — at least temporarily — when Mr. Goldwater secured the presidential nomination. Mr. Goldwater's decisive defeat that year taught conservatives another lesson: the need to forge a movement broad enough to achieve electoral success.
Their opening came in the late 1960s, when many middle- and working-class voters reacted against rising crime rates, the excesses of the antiwar movement and the emerging counterculture.
"In the days of Barry Goldwater, moral issues had not risen to the surface," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder of the Moral Majority.
Movement leaders say that it wasn't until millions of Catholics, disaffected Southern Democrats, many of them evangelical Protestants, and crime-weary blue-collar voters were added to the Republican electoral coalition in the 1960s and 1970s that the Republican Party gained enough electoral strength to defeat the national Democrats.
The third-party candidacy of Alabama Gov. George C. Wallace fractured the Democratic "Solid South" in 1968, enabling Mr. Nixon to win the White House. In 1972, Mr. Nixon scored a crushing re-election win over George McGovern — though the potential fruits of that victory were lost after the Watergate scandal led to Mr. Nixon's resignation.
Conservatives were disappointed by Mr. Nixon's liberal policies — instituting affirmative action in the federal government, imposing wage and price controls, and recognizing communist China. Many conservatives further criticized Mr. Nixon for failing to scale back the "Great Society" social programs created by the Johnson administration.
"Beginning with the 1960s, concern in the conservative movement focused on communism, socialism and fundamental changes in our political system instituted under the aegis of the Democrats' 'Great Society,' " says Howard Phillips, 62, who was an anti-Castro activist as a Harvard undergraduate and worked in the Nixon administration.
Eventually, a conservative rebellion developed among congressional Republicans. "Capitol Hill conservatives united in the early 1970s against the Republican administration of Nixon and Gerald Ford," Mr. Feulner recalled.
What took longer for movement leaders to learn were the dangers of partisan allegiance and political expediency.
"By far the biggest political disappointment for me — and I think for many other conservatives — has been our failure to get a handle on the problem of big government," Mr. Evans says. "This very much interacts with the question of the GOP, which always runs pretty hard on this issue but has trouble translating its rhetoric into practice."
The social agenda
When the Republican Party in the 1970s could not reverse the liberal tide, some conservatives bolted — among them Mr. Phillips, who left the Republican Party in 1974 to become an independent.
Other conservative founders who have remained within the Republican fold concede their cause still has a long way to go — despite the current Republican control of Congress and the White House.
The movement's greatest failures have been on the social front, says Mr. Falwell, 70, whose Moral Majority movement was crucial to the Reagan victory in 1980, bringing evangelical Christians into a sometimes fractious coalition with economic conservatives.
Mr. Falwell says the combination of social and economic conservatism has produced victories in politics —but not policy.
"The biggest failure of all has been our inability to turn back the homosexual agenda and to end abortion in America," he says.
The emphasis on social issues like abortion and homosexuality by many conservatives in recent decades highlights the tension between those conservatives who stress personal freedoms and limited government and those who champion moral issues.
The original founders of the conservative movement "did not want to have social issues as part of their portfolio," says Paul M. Weyrich, 61, a former congressional aide who helped establish the Heritage Foundation before going on to create the Free Congress Foundation.
When he wrote a position paper in the 1970s advocating the incorporation of social issues into the movement's agenda, Mr. Weyrich says, "Heritage tried to get me cut off by having some of their staff call big donors [to my foundation]."
"But now we have adopted traditional values as part of the conservative view," says Mr. Weyrich, recognized as a pioneer of the New Right, a young, brash movement that made headlines in the 1970s with populist issues, grass-roots organizing and protest politics.
Until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, anticommunism remained the dominant issue for most conservatives. But by the late 1970s and early 1980s, the New Right added social issues — such as abortion, crime, racial quotas, pornography, drugs and homosexual rights — to the conservative agenda.
The rise of social issues within the conservative cause stems in part from the erosion of values that were once taken for granted in American life, Morton C. Blackwell says. As executive director of the national College Republicans in the 1960s, Mr. Blackwell helped trained leaders like Karl Rove and Ralph Reed.
"In the 1950s and '60s, the major concerns of the conservative movement were limited government, free enterprise, strong national defense and anticommunism," says Mr. Blackwell, now 63. "What are now called the social issues were not matters of conservatives' major political concern because those matters were thought to be settled."
A series of federal court rulings — banning prayer from public schools while striking down state laws against pornography and abortion — generated the "traditional values" agenda, Mr. Blackwell says.
As a result, in Mr. Weyrich's view, "even neoconservatives and the [libertarian] Cato Institute now deal with conservative social issues, even though they might not have the same solution that I have."
Looking ahead
Movement leaders say that many of the issues that confronted conservatives in the past will continue to challenge them into the future.
But besides continuing to wage a culture war against the forces of liberalism, there's a new challenge: the war on terrorism.
"It seems plain that we — or somebody — will have to define and clarify the role of the United States in the world arena, with communism mostly gone but terrorism coming on," Mr. Evans says. "There's been a lot of sloganeering and cheerleading on this, but not a great deal of clear thinking."
Mr. Weyrich says "conservatives used to follow the injunction not to get involved in foreign entanglements." Now, he says, the "Wilsonian view" that America's job is "to make the world safe for democracy is definitely the prevailing view in conservative circles today. I'm skeptical of that view. I think ultimately we can't take on all these assignments."
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Old Aug 24th, 2003, 04:00 PM       
"This sentiment is echoed by Edwin J. Feulner, 62, president of the Heritage Foundation, who says that the conservative movement has achieved many of its original aims — both at home and abroad."

And I quote "AND ABROAD". . .OOOOHHH BILLLAAY! How can I belong to a party made up of such clueless individuals who seem to be ignorant of the tenents to their own faith?!

" "The biggest failure of all has been our inability to turn back the homosexual agenda and to end abortion in America," he says. "

What a confuse, stupid man. Politics is not designed to govern morality, and God help us all if this silly shit ever gains the influence of Billy Graham. If Christ could respect the difference, who the fuck is he to say or act differently?

"One political reality, Mr. Viguerie says, is that the "conservatives in Congress today are not movement players. They are part of the Republican team assembled by President Bush and [Bush chief strategist] Karl Rove. No matter how much overlap there may be between the two agendas, their first allegiance is to the Republican Party rather than the conservative movement." "

CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY! CHINESE-FIRE-DRILL!!!!
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And I quote "AND ABROAD". . .OOOOHHH BILLLAAY! How can I belong to a party made up of such clueless individuals who seem to be ignorant of the tenents to their own faith?!
Hehe, I hadn't caught the funny irony in that statement.

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" "The biggest failure of all has been our inability to turn back the homosexual agenda and to end abortion in America," he says. "

What a confuse, stupid man. Politics is not designed to govern morality, and God help us all if this silly shit ever gains the influence of Billy Graham. If Christ could respect the difference, who the fuck is he to say or act differently?
I think they address this point in the article, and yes, a "true" conservative might not be into legislating morality. But afterall, it has traditionally been the stance of religious organizations to support big government policies, providing of course that they can get a little piece of the pie.

Michael Lind touches upon this in his quircky retort against Buckley, Up From Conservatism, where he mentions how many modern "conservatives" aren't truly opposed to big government spending, they are simply opposed to big government allocation of said funds.


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"One political reality, Mr. Viguerie says, is that the "conservatives in Congress today are not movement players. They are part of the Republican team assembled by President Bush and [Bush chief strategist] Karl Rove. No matter how much overlap there may be between the two agendas, their first allegiance is to the Republican Party rather than the conservative movement." "

CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY! CHINESE-FIRE-DRILL!!!!
I don't think there's anything conspiracy oriented about this. I think it's true, and fairly obvious. Both major parties classify themselves as "big tent" parties. One problem I think the Democrats have is that the various factions within the "tent" can't decide what they are, what their direction should be, etc. The Republicans however seem to be much better at stifling dissent, creating a "no enemies to the Right" platform. This was a technique coined by among others, Pat Robertson in the "conservative revolution" of '94 (another ironic pairing of words, me thinks).

The conservative ideologues in Buckley's day had a hard time ruling any party, b/c they simply didn't have the constituency. I see similarities today, whereas "real" conservatism has seemed to become muted, taking a back seat to Party success.
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