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Old Jan 31st, 2007, 09:58 PM        My atheist friend
How do I answer this question posed by my atheist friend.

what proof is there to justify belief in God?

I tell you the truth he's got me stumped there.
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Old Jan 31st, 2007, 10:09 PM       
Yeah but what proof is there to justify disbelief in God? :o

There's a very long and interesting thread about this somewhere in the Philosophy forum I believe
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Old Jan 31st, 2007, 10:39 PM       
probably.

proof for God: Summa Theologica by St. Thomas Aquinas :O
i think the five ways is in the summa theologica thing
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Old Jan 31st, 2007, 10:56 PM       
Wow your friend is smart why can't he answer his own damn question.
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Old Jan 31st, 2007, 11:03 PM       
atheism only gives people the illusion of intelligence.
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Old Feb 1st, 2007, 12:51 AM       
Guys it is time to finally solve this.

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Old Feb 1st, 2007, 02:46 AM       
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klOQwSMdI70

That's my thought on the matter.
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Old Feb 1st, 2007, 10:44 AM       
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Old Feb 1st, 2007, 10:55 AM       
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Yeah but what proof is there to justify disbelief in God? :o

There's a very long and interesting thread about this somewhere in the Philosophy forum I believe
there's these two

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showt...he+new+atheism

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showt...he+new+atheism

DON'T YOU LOVE IT WHEN I DO THE SEARCHING FOR YOU THAT PROVES THAT ATHEISTS AREN'T BAD GUYS HAHA LET'S HAVE LUNCH OKAY.
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Old Feb 1st, 2007, 11:07 AM       
It is a belief. Proof is kind of sketchy when we come to beliefs.

Summa Theologica and City of God are both good works from a philosophy standpoint.

However, when most people say "proof". they mean something they can measure.
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Old Feb 1st, 2007, 07:29 PM       
Thanks for making that video, Seth! It was nice to finally know what you sound like. I was kinda disappointed in the lack of a bowtie, though.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 03:51 AM       
If you look at my other videos, I generally wear them.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 03:56 AM       
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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 05:14 PM       
Smash him on the finger with a hammer and when he screams "Oh God that hurt" you smack him upside the head with a Bible.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 06:54 PM       
You're all asking the wrong question.

Who cares if god exists or not?? The right question is--is god relevant to us? Is there an afterlife or continued existence? I would contend that it is absolutely ABSURD to believe that an afterlife of sorts exists.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 07:25 PM       
I actually agree, thus a few years ago I had this phase where I believed in God but not the soul so I stopped paying any attention to religion and such.

I do agree that most popular notions of the afterlife are pretty absurd, but I think that doesn't preclude the possibility of something that's probably incomprehensible. If there is post-mortem consciousness, I doubt it resembles people dancing in white robes in clouds while others burn in lakes of boiling oil for ever and ever and ever in saeculo saeculorum. I think existence itself is pretty absurd in itself, so what harm is a little faith that maybe some experience of the self pervades after death? Well, it CAN be harmful when you believe in a reward of 72 virgins or whatever, but still.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2007, 09:35 PM       
I could barely handle the last 3 virgins I uhm, 'dated'. 72 would be hell for me.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 02:22 AM       
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I actually agree, thus a few years ago I had this phase where I believed in God but not the soul so I stopped paying any attention to religion and such.

I do agree that most popular notions of the afterlife are pretty absurd, but I think that doesn't preclude the possibility of something that's probably incomprehensible. If there is post-mortem consciousness, I doubt it resembles people dancing in white robes in clouds while others burn in lakes of boiling oil for ever and ever and ever in saeculo saeculorum. I think existence itself is pretty absurd in itself, so what harm is a little faith that maybe some experience of the self pervades after death? Well, it CAN be harmful when you believe in a reward of 72 virgins or whatever, but still.
I like to think that God exists in the electrical bonds that hold everything together. Physics helps us to understand how everything we can sense takes shape, but God's will, God itself, is why any particular particle bonds with another, and another with another... so on... to form us and all the other crap in the universe. When we die, whatever it is that we call our soul disperses back out into the energy holding everything together.

It's not as complicated as most organized versions of spirituality, but it's simple.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 02:36 AM       
I wrote a paper as to how part of the purpose of God is to hold the universe together, and without god the universe woudl disappear. It was loosely based on the five ways and that the universe is actually God or what god has designed. He's a sort of sustainer.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 03:05 AM       
Those are both variants of Occasionalistic Pantheism. :ReligiousStudiesMajor
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 12:48 PM       
I thought that said alcoholic panism and i was like, "man those crazy drunken pan-dionysuses"

so what does that come from? Berkley? Berkley is the one who wrote that God is the "Person who hears trees fall down in forests when nobody is listening." Seems pretty similar, overall.
I'll probably look it up.
I liked my paper better :O
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 01:10 PM       
Occasionalism is from al-Ghazali and Malebranche, Pantheism is more like Spinoza.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 01:41 PM       
Well theres no 'absolute' proof on scientific theorys eg: The big bang. Although, there is quite alot of evidence going that way. I'm agnostic, covered both ways i guess.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2007, 01:45 PM       
If they say that glass-grinding killed him, it was probably from inhaling glass particles and developing lung infections.
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