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Old Sep 3rd, 2006, 10:35 AM        Al-Qaeda Issues Another Threat
This is in reference to the Al-Qaeda threat saying that American Muslims may not have much time left to join their cause...

I say to Al-Qaeda, bring it on, you human filth. America will come back and fuck you up again.

Blow up a bomb in the US? We will blow up thousands in your country. Fuck you, Al-Qaeda, and fuck your whole pathetic movement. You can't scare me, you are a bunch of pussies.

There is no room in this world for you, and your movement only makes it easier for me to turn a blind eye when your countrymen are dying to the guns of my countrymen.
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Old Sep 3rd, 2006, 06:38 PM       
Which Al-qaeda country to you choose, though?
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 07:51 AM       
I vote for Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Syria.

Or just the nation of Dearborn, Michigan.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 02:29 PM        Re: Al-Qaeda Issues Another Threat
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This is in reference to the Al-Qaeda threat saying that American Muslims may not have much time left to join their cause...

I say to Al-Qaeda, bring it on, you human filth. America will come back and fuck you up again.

Blow up a bomb in the US? We will blow up thousands in your country. Fuck you, Al-Qaeda, and fuck your whole pathetic movement. You can't scare me, you are a bunch of pussies.

There is no room in this world for you, and your movement only makes it easier for me to turn a blind eye when your countrymen are dying to the guns of my countrymen.
While I admire the sentiment, we'd just invade an unrelated country again.

Just saying.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 02:41 PM       
The United States does what it has to in order to prevent extremists from training fighters against us. If a country can not control the mercenaries in their region, then they certainly aren't going to stop the US from coming in and destroying those mercenaries.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 03:21 PM       
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The United States does what it has to in order to prevent extremists from training fighters against us. If a country can not control the mercenaries in their region, then they certainly aren't going to stop the US from coming in and destroying those mercenaries.
Which country are you talking about?

We were attacked by AQ operating out of Afghanistan. We sent a token force after them, and moved on to flatten Iraq, for no appparent reason. Now Iraq is a festering pile of anarchy into which AQ HAS moved.

End result: AQ is now far more dangerous than they were in October of 2001.

Like I said, I like the original post, but that ain't gonna be what happens.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 04:52 PM       
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The United States does what it has to in order to prevent extremists from training fighters against us. If a country can not control the mercenaries in their region, then they certainly aren't going to stop the US from coming in and destroying those mercenaries.
Which country are you talking about?

We were attacked by AQ operating out of Afghanistan. We sent a token force after them, and moved on to flatten Iraq, for no appparent reason. Now Iraq is a festering pile of anarchy into which AQ HAS moved.

End result: AQ is now far more dangerous than they were in October of 2001.

Like I said, I like the original post, but that ain't gonna be what happens.
I think they are just dangerous if not less with a lot more operatives captured. Befor 2001 we had the same amount just they were in hiding now they have to come out and fight and be counted.

Invading Iraq didn't cause more people to join Al Qeada it caused more of them to come out of the closet and fight. Invading it gave us a front to fight them on. Now we have very few insurgents and most of the fighting is over sectarian violence.

Just because we didn't SEE to many terrorists befor 2001 doesn't mean they weren't always there. It is just that only now do we go to fight them.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 05:02 PM       
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I think they are just dangerous if not less with a lot more operatives captured. Befor 2001 we had the same amount just they were in hiding now they have to come out and fight and be counted.

Invading Iraq didn't cause more people to join Al Qeada it caused more of them to come out of the closet and fight. Invading it gave us a front to fight them on. Now we have very few insurgents and most of the fighting is over sectarian violence.

Just because we didn't SEE to many terrorists befor 2001 doesn't mean they weren't always there. It is just that only now do we go to fight them.
1. Assumes facts not in evidence. There is no reason to believe that the AQ members in Iraq aren't NEW. After all, the senior leadership (the people that matter) are safely in Pakistan. Why go to Iraq?).

2. Proof that these people were hiding in the closet? Musta been a big closet, and the average member must have joined at age 9.

3. There have always been terrorists. Unfortunately, even the Pentagon agrees that there are more now that there were in April/May of 2003, in AQ alone.

Problem is, you can kill all you like, they'll just make more. If you don't get the planners and the money men, you haven't succeeded at all. Assuming that only 1% of Muslims are extremists, and given a 4+ birthrate, there is literally an endless supply of dumbasses on the ground.

Which is why you always lose a war of attrition in counter-insurgency. Always.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 10:25 PM        Re: Al-Qaeda Issues Another Threat
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Just saying.
Please stop doing this.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 10:26 PM        Re: Al-Qaeda Issues Another Threat
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Please stop doing this.
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Old Sep 4th, 2006, 10:48 PM       
War is like starting a fire.

It tends to grow rather rapidly at first, but then eventually it all burns out.
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War is like starting a fire.

It tends to grow rather rapidly at first, but then eventually it all burns out.
Problem is, "eventually" can take up to a hundred years.
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Old Sep 5th, 2006, 05:56 PM       
I don't see the problem there. If you look far enough ahead, 100 years is nothing.
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I don't see the problem there. If you look far enough ahead, 100 years is nothing.
Well, hell, why stop there? If you look far enough ahead, the Earth will be consumed by the sun, when it turns into red giant.

Nihilism aside, we won't be there to see it, nor will we be here in a hundred years.
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Old Sep 12th, 2006, 09:50 PM       
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It tends to grow rather rapidly at first, but then eventually it all burns out.
HAH. Yeah, it all burns out. And who knows how much it's going to take down with it this time.
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Old Sep 17th, 2006, 08:26 PM       
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I think they are just dangerous if not less with a lot more operatives captured. Befor 2001 we had the same amount just they were in hiding now they have to come out and fight and be counted.

Invading Iraq didn't cause more people to join Al Qeada it caused more of them to come out of the closet and fight. Invading it gave us a front to fight them on. Now we have very few insurgents and most of the fighting is over sectarian violence.

Just because we didn't SEE to many terrorists befor 2001 doesn't mean they weren't always there. It is just that only now do we go to fight them.
1. Assumes facts not in evidence. There is no reason to believe that the AQ members in Iraq aren't NEW. After all, the senior leadership (the people that matter) are safely in Pakistan. Why go to Iraq?).

2. Proof that these people were hiding in the closet? Musta been a big closet, and the average member must have joined at age 9.

3. There have always been terrorists. Unfortunately, even the Pentagon agrees that there are more now that there were in April/May of 2003, in AQ alone.

Problem is, you can kill all you like, they'll just make more. If you don't get the planners and the money men, you haven't succeeded at all. Assuming that only 1% of Muslims are extremists, and given a 4+ birthrate, there is literally an endless supply of dumbasses on the ground.

Which is why you always lose a war of attrition in counter-insurgency. Always.
1. Alqaeda isn't a country, it's a religion. It's everywhere even Saddam fought Alqaeda who was trying to grab power in his country.

2. well i have pics of kids under the age of 9 with assault rifles yelling death to america sounds good to me. These people are raised that they MUST fight us.

3. And ignoring them rather then fighting them is a way to solve that?

Killing may not solve anything, but it can slow it startegicly, not killing lets them keep soming and keep killing US! Stopping fighting them will not stop them.

So your saying america can not exist as a country forever because they are growing to fast? Isnt that all the more reason to fight while we can to keep them at bay longer?
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Old Sep 19th, 2006, 03:16 PM       
wow that is one of the dumbest things ive ever heard.

first off AQ is not a religion its a terrorist group that all share a common background of being muslim.

We are never going to defeat them most likely because they revel in martydom and dying for their cause.

The only way this conflict will end is eventually we will leave the middle east to govern itself considering we fucked it up even worse then it was and take american troops out of muslim holy land.

They arent "freedom haters" like every dumbass who looks as all muslims as terrorist; not every single one wants to destroy america (though some do because we pissed them off to that point) they just want their land back.
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Old Sep 19th, 2006, 08:52 PM       
First of all, they may not CALL themselves a religion but they are a strongly held belief system that is an OFFSHOOT if islaam. Not all muslims are terrorists just like not all christians are Fundamental mormons. I can call a tomatoe a vegetable but it's still technicaly got all the properties of a fruit.

You really think leaving the middle east will fix this? Cause tell that to the rebels in Asian, not middle asia, deep south eastern asia, even Australia and new Zealand. This terrorist group wants there to be NOTHING BUT Islaam and will kill anything to achieve that. SOme moderate muslims are mad we're int he middle east but the main Al Qaeda type hate that we exist at all.

No they don't hate freedom, that's stupid cause everyone wants freedom to do what they beliefve is right. THEY HATE OPPOSITION! We are opposed to their morals and their religion. As long as alternate religions exist Wahabi Islaam (keep in mind i didn't say islaam in general) will not rest, and i don't mean the charitable giving missionary sense like good muslims do. (yes REAL muslims do a lot of that, Al Qaeda leans the other way) I'm rwefferinmg to not resting in the murder all who oppose us sense.

Do I hate american morals? Damn straight, Do I hate false religions (or religions i believe to be false) hells yeah, do I kill people over it? No, would most muslims? no, would Al Qaeda, or other faith based war machines? Hell yeah. Call it Waco or Wahabi, using religion as a guise to kill people is more then terrorism, it's a cult (with fun terrorist sprinkles).
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Old Sep 19th, 2006, 09:09 PM       
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You really think leaving the middle east will fix this? Cause tell that to the rebels in Asian, not middle asia, deep south eastern asia, even Australia and new Zealand. This terrorist group wants there to be NOTHING BUT Islaam and will kill anything to achieve that. SOme moderate muslims are mad we're int he middle east but the main Al Qaeda type hate that we exist at all.
Couldn't we keep up all kinds of operations in the Middle East without having a substantantial portion of our armed forces living there?
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Old Sep 19th, 2006, 11:47 PM       
I would just like to thank adept_ninja for his/her/whatever post. It raised the bar, IMO.
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not every single one wants to destroy america (though some do because we pissed them off to that point) they just want their land back.
The dream of a Holy War predates the US of A just like the animosity towards America predates our involvement in the region. We may have pissed them off, but you're mistaken if you think they just want their land back...unless by "their land" you mean every square inch of the Middle East, and a chunk of the Western World too. Truth be told, the venom towards the Western world didn't start until they reclaimed self rule...and they've systematically tried to roll back the clock ever since. No, not all Muslims - but very, very few are doing anything to stop a growing fundamentalist, and fascist movement. Somalia, and now as of today, Thailand have become Muslim states... and wherever you have Islamic rule you have a decrease in freedoms, and an increase in terror.
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Old Sep 20th, 2006, 07:47 AM       
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You really think leaving the middle east will fix this? Cause tell that to the rebels in Asian, not middle asia, deep south eastern asia, even Australia and new Zealand. This terrorist group wants there to be NOTHING BUT Islaam and will kill anything to achieve that. SOme moderate muslims are mad we're int he middle east but the main Al Qaeda type hate that we exist at all.
Couldn't we keep up all kinds of operations in the Middle East without having a substantantial portion of our armed forces living there?
how so? It's not like the UN is a viable thing for peace keeping troops.
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Old Sep 20th, 2006, 03:05 PM       
He could be referring to small groups of special forces and spy/esponiage tactics.
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I wasnt saying things would be peachy keen if we left, i wasnt to clear on that but you are right those people do want us to die just because of are morals and society but the fact that people think that just killing the fanatic muslims will solve things it wont. Alsoi was just ranting at the retarded statement of a terrorist country; yes some support terrorism but blowing up a county would kill millions on innocent people that want nothing to do with this shit.
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He could be referring to small groups of special forces and spy/esponiage tactics.
i think they need a little more then that right now, we have to reclaim the south of afgahnistan and prevent a civil war if we plan on staying at all.

killing them wont solve it, but destroying their resources and showing there are reprecussions might slow them down.
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