Go Back   I-Mockery Forum > I-Mockery Discussion Forums > Philosophy, Politics, and News
FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Rongi Rongi is offline
NEW FACE IN HELL
Rongi's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: POOF
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 02:03 AM        Euthenasia
I support it 100%. If someone doesnt want to live as a vegetable, why make them? What are your thoughts?
__________________
ill fuck that bitch so hard in 10 years she'll crack her back and remember my dick - kahljorn
Reply With Quote
  #2  
sadie sadie is offline
ineffable
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ineffability
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 02:08 AM       
all i can think of is that monty python skit where the guy is talking about old people choosing to die with that big "youth in asia" poster behind him. :P
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Immortal Goat Immortal Goat is offline
Now with less sodium!
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM       
I support it wholeheartedly. That is of course if the person on life support chooses to die. Some people might want to be kept alive in that curcumstance. I can respect that, just as long as the churchies respects my right to choose death just as much.
__________________
I like snow. If winter's going to be cold anyway, at least have it be fun to look at. Probably why I was with my ex for so long...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
adept_ninja adept_ninja is offline
Member
adept_ninja's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: nap town MD
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 03:51 PM       
why do we have da youth in asia kill ow old? people we americans can do it ourself.
Ali G

also yes I agree with this wholeheartedly. One of my biggest fears is being in a car accident and living to be 90 in a coma.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Dole Dole is offline
Mocker
Dole's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Brighton & Motherfucking Hove
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 04:25 PM       
my biggest fear also involves you living till the age of 90.

I'm all for euthenasia, its should be compulsory.
__________________
I don't get it. I mean, why did they fuck with the formula? Where are the car songs? There's only one song about surfing and it's a downer!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
El Blanco El Blanco is offline
Mocker
El Blanco's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 08:31 PM       
You gonna show us how its done?

Seriously, its a road I'm not sure we should be rolling down. Its essentially putting a price tag on a life.
__________________
according to my mongoose, anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Rongi Rongi is offline
NEW FACE IN HELL
Rongi's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: POOF
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 09:13 PM       
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Blanco
Its essentially putting a price tag on a life.
shut up you pretencious fuck. how is it at all like putting a price tag on life? imagine being completely immobile from the neck down, the only thing you can do is think and talk, everything else is done by machines and the only thing you see all day is doctors and crying relatives. is that any way to live?
__________________
ill fuck that bitch so hard in 10 years she'll crack her back and remember my dick - kahljorn
Reply With Quote
  #8  
El Blanco El Blanco is offline
Mocker
El Blanco's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
Old Aug 26th, 2005, 10:45 PM       
Do you know what pretencious means?

I don't think you do.

Also, just because I am weary of that option does not mean I haven't taken the pain and suffering into account.

I am worried about people saying " it costs too much to keep me/dad/granma alive. lets pull the plug". thats what I mean by a price tag.

And if I'm in a coma, how the hell would you know what I want?

And if you are going to be a bitch when I give my opinion, why make a post on an internet message board? that specifically asks for opinions no less.
__________________
according to my mongoose, anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Rongi Rongi is offline
NEW FACE IN HELL
Rongi's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: POOF
Old Aug 27th, 2005, 12:10 AM       
well to me it just sounded like you didnt really know what you were talking about when you said putting a price on a person's life. thanks for clearing that up though

also, i dont think i said a thing about comas
__________________
ill fuck that bitch so hard in 10 years she'll crack her back and remember my dick - kahljorn
Reply With Quote
  #10  
GADZOOKS GADZOOKS is offline
dipshed
GADZOOKS's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chicago, Illinois
Old Aug 27th, 2005, 01:10 AM       
Looks like somebody saw Million Dollar Baby
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #11  
Rongi Rongi is offline
NEW FACE IN HELL
Rongi's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: POOF
Old Aug 27th, 2005, 01:35 AM       
not really. my grandpa was just taken off life support
__________________
ill fuck that bitch so hard in 10 years she'll crack her back and remember my dick - kahljorn
Reply With Quote
  #12  
sadie sadie is offline
ineffable
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: ineffability
Old Aug 27th, 2005, 02:48 PM       
sorry, rongi.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Rongi Rongi is offline
NEW FACE IN HELL
Rongi's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: POOF
Old Aug 27th, 2005, 03:11 PM       
you know, at first when they told me they were gonna unplug his breathing machine, i was not happy. i told them they better fucking not, he's still got life left in him and damnit you didnt fucking ask him did you. but at the time, he couldnt have said anything because he had two strokes and couldnt communicate much at all. but then i realised, he did not look happy in that hospital bed. and he didnt look like he wanted to spend the rest of his life depending on machines. out of my own selfishness, i still sort of wish they left him on
__________________
ill fuck that bitch so hard in 10 years she'll crack her back and remember my dick - kahljorn
Reply With Quote
  #14  
El Blanco El Blanco is offline
Mocker
El Blanco's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
Old Aug 27th, 2005, 10:20 PM       
Pardon me if I ramble or seem a bit incoherent. I was drinking this afternoon..........a lot.


I think there is a difference between pulling the plug and euthanasia. The former is not taking extrodinary means to keep one alive.

The latter is putting effort towards killing someone.
__________________
according to my mongoose, anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Immortal Goat Immortal Goat is offline
Now with less sodium!
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 03:05 AM       
Now you're just getting into semantics. They are technically the same thing, it is just that euthenasia is the typical word used for it when people want to put a negative connotation on the action. A great example of this is that whole Schiavo crap that went on.
__________________
I like snow. If winter's going to be cold anyway, at least have it be fun to look at. Probably why I was with my ex for so long...
Reply With Quote
  #16  
El Blanco El Blanco is offline
Mocker
El Blanco's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 07:57 AM       
When we are discussing law and/or morality, semantics plays a huge role. These things are worded very carefully.

I see one as letting nature take its course.

I see the other as breaking the Hipocratic Oath and playing God. The whole thing with "First, do no harm", I'm pretty sure killing your patient falls under "harm".
__________________
according to my mongoose, anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Spectre X Spectre X is offline
Rating: Yes.
Spectre X's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dutchland
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 09:22 AM       
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Blanco
I see the other as breaking the Hipocratic Oath and playing God. The whole thing with "First, do no harm", I'm pretty sure killing your patient falls under "harm".
What if killing your patient with their consent actually stops their suffering? What if the continuation of a patient's life is actually more harmful than dying is, if noth physically then psychologically?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chojin
everybody knows that pterodactyls hate the screech of a guitar :o
Reply With Quote
  #18  
El Blanco El Blanco is offline
Mocker
El Blanco's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 10:00 AM       
In the medical community, the ultimate harm is death. All other issues can be addressed. Maybe not cured, but treated.

Dead is dead. No more treatment, no more therapy. Dead. Gone. Finished.
__________________
according to my mongoose, anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Zhukov Zhukov is offline
Supa Soviet Missil Mastar
Zhukov's Avatar
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tasmania
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 07:45 PM       
You could see 'harm' as having someone live in a state of constant pain too, I guess. I don't really want to bother defining since I don't care too much.

Since there is no god to play, I am in favour of euthanasia as well as pulling the plug.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Helm Helm is offline
Mocker
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Mount Fuji
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 08:12 PM       
if you 'pull a plug' that presupposes there's complicated machinery that was up to then plugged in, keeping nature from taking it's course.

However, unless I didn't understand correctly, Blanco's distinction is moot.

Left to a natural environment, a man with two broken feet will surely perish as well, like a man with cancer will die of natural causes if left alone as surely as a man with no higher brain function will. Dogs will eat them or something. Just because you do not DIRECTLY kill or not kill them (or save them) does that mean you're not responsible? If you don't directly put effort towards killing someone, but they still die, is that ok, then? Because if it is, we can just solve all cases where euthanasia is discussed, by just stopping to feed these people. They'll die by starvation on their own, us having directly done nothing to kill them.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #21  
El Blanco El Blanco is offline
Mocker
El Blanco's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, NY
Old Aug 28th, 2005, 09:13 PM       
[quote="Helm"]

Left to a natural environment, a man with two broken feet will surely perish as well, [quote]

Not in society where a parapalegic can support himself and can get a quart of sweet and sour chicken delivered to his doorstep. We are talking about an industrialized nation in 2005, not ancoient Sumeria.

Quote:
like a man with cancer will die of natural causes if left alone as surely as a man with no higher brain function will.
Or their body will just deactivate.

Quote:
Just because you do not DIRECTLY kill or not kill them (or save them) does that mean you're not responsible?
Depends on the situation.

Quote:
If you don't directly put effort towards killing someone, but they still die, is that ok, then? Because if it is, we can just solve all cases where euthanasia is discussed, by just stopping to feed these people. They'll die by starvation on their own, us having directly done nothing to kill them.
If they require a feeding tube, then its not killing them.

Honestly, its complicated and I'm still figuring out my total position.
__________________
according to my mongoose, anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Sethomas Sethomas is offline
Antagonistic Tyrannosaur
Sethomas's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: The Abstruse Caboose
Old Aug 29th, 2005, 01:26 AM       
As a Catholic, I feel that it's morally wrong. However, I do feel that it's a moral issue that should be left to the individual and not the state. Id est, it should be legal. Contrasted with abortion, I feel that the latter should be illegal because a different life lacking the benefit of autonomy is involved. I don't want to turn this into an abortion thread, but I was just demonstrating how I'm not as flippant as first glance would seem to indicate.
__________________

SETH ME IMPRIMI FECIT
Reply With Quote
  #23  
kellychaos kellychaos is offline
Mocker
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Where I Started But In A Different Place
Old Aug 29th, 2005, 06:01 PM       
Quote:
Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

(pause)

Owner: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of parrots.
__________________

Wherever you go, there you are.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Preechr Preechr is offline
=======
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NA
Old Aug 29th, 2005, 06:26 PM       
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongi
imagine being completely immobile from the neck down, the only thing you can do is think and talk, everything else is done by machines and the only thing you see all day is doctors and crying relatives. is that any way to live?
I work with people in that situation nearly every day. The rest of the time it's kids with various birth defects of whom you might ask the same question. People generally prefer life in any form, no matter how limited, and will adapt to nearly any situation. It's pretty surprising, inspiring, disturbing and it puts the problems I think I have in perspective.

There are those that wish to end their lives, but I'd be willing to bet suicide rates are higher among those of us that aren't struggling so hard just to live day to day than those that are being challenged by life in such bold ways.

My grandpa recently died in hospice. It was a pretty f-d up situation with a living man at odds with his own living will. No one in my family is Ok yet with the idea of witholding dialysis from him, even though the cure would have probably killed him just as quick as the lack of it.

The emotions you are dealing with are personal to you. I'm not sure that trying to think of the situation in a universal sense is gonna help. Personally, I agree pretty much with non-flippant Seththomas on the issue you raised, but the idea that we should take personal pain and attempt to build universal walls against it for other people... well, that's how you get Republicans...
__________________
mburbank~ Yes, okay, fine, I do know what you meant, but why is it not possible for you to get through a paragraph without making all the words cry?

How can someone who obviously thinks so much of their ideas have so little respect for expressing them? How can someone who so yearns to be taken seriously make so little effort?!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

   


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:12 AM.


© 2008 I-Mockery.com
Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.