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Old Jul 13th, 2004, 09:27 AM        When Will We Come Clean?
Every day we don't fess up about the ways in which we are violating the Geneva convention will make it worse when it all comes out. And you know it will. The lesson of Watergate was: The cover up is always worse than the crime. How many times do administrations have to learn this the hard way before it sinks in? Didn't what happened with Clinton make it obvious just few years ago? The Red Cross asked in JANUARY if we were keeping any prisoners in secret facilities and we STIL haven't answered. JANUARY! Before the prisoner abuse scandal broke. And now, after the pictures, after the Taguba report, we STILL won't say?



Red Cross Fears U.S. Is Hiding Detainees


By NAOMI KOPPEL, Associated Press Writer

GENEVA - The international Red Cross said Tuesday that it fears U.S. officials are holding terror suspects secretly in locations across the world.


The Geneva Conventions on the conduct of warfare require the United States to give the Red Cross access to prisoners of war and other detainees.

"We have access to people detained by the United States in Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Iraq (news - web sites), but in our understanding there are people that are detained outside these places for which we haven't received notification or access," said Antonella Notari, a spokeswoman for the International Committee of the Red Cross.

The United States says it is cooperating with the organization and has allowed Red Cross delegates access to thousands of prisoners, including former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

But Notari told The Associated Press that some suspects reported as arrested by the FBI on its Web site, or identified in media reports, are unaccounted for.

"Some of these people who have been reported to be arrested never showed up in any of the places of detention run by the U.S. where we visit," Notari said.

She said she had read media reports that some people are being held at Diego Garcia, a British-held island in the Indian Ocean used as a strategic military base by the United States, but the ICRC has not been notified of any prisoners there.

"We just simply have absolutely no confirmation of this in any formal way," she said.

The U.S. government has not officially responded to a Red Cross demand for notification of all detainees, including those held in undisclosed locations, she said.

That request was made by ICRC President Jakob Kellenberger in January during a visit to Washington that featured meetings with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice .

"So far we haven't had a satisfactory reply," Notari said.

An Army report on the abuses at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison found that military police there "routinely held persons brought to them by Other Government Agencies without accounting for them, knowing their identities, or even the reason for their detention."

On at least one occasion they moved these "ghost detainees" around the prison to hide them from a visiting Red Cross delegation, the report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba said. He described the actions as "deceptive, contrary to Army Doctrine, and in violation of international law."
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Old Jul 13th, 2004, 01:41 PM       
Bush probaly couldn't find the time to talk to the Red Cross because of 'schedule confllicts'
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Old Jul 13th, 2004, 01:53 PM       
Say! THAT could be a compelling reason to delay elections! 'Schedule conflicts'!
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