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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 09:32 AM       
I do not respect anyone less for not believing or believing. I ask the same of all of my friends. People will choose what they want to do, and I cannot change that so I do not ever try.

Tolerance is a virute that should be practiced by both sides. Atheist? Do not tell others that they are simple-minded and that religion is a crutch. Christian (or whatever)? Do not tell others that they are going to burn in Hell for not believing what you do. People who attack others because of what they believe or place faith in are most likely insecure about what they themselves feel regarding it.

And try not to confuse the message and the messanger. While I hold my own beliefs and interpretations of Christianity, I do acknowledge that religion is its own worst enemy at times, especially regarding the fundamentalist aspect of some of its followers.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 09:39 AM       
Yeah, but to Christians, they are going to hell if they don't believe in God or Jesus Christ.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 09:46 AM       
Not all Christians believe that. Just the "holier than thou" asshole ones. I've known plenty of Christians that don't think that way.

They think I'm going to hell for entirely different reasons.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 09:47 AM       
That does not mean that they have to come to my front door to tell me, or acost me in public. :/
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 09:57 AM       
Einstein's firm belief in a God prevented him from applying his mind to several areas of physics that he believed were too chaotic. Like a lot of the quantum physics theories at the time that were considered really far out, but later also proven true.

He stated several times that "God would not be random", "God would not create something like that" etc, etc. Einstein was right about a lot of things that couldn't be proved at the time, but in the end, his beliefs really limited the areas that he studied.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:01 AM       
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He stated several times that "God would not be random", "God would not create something like that" etc, etc. Einstein was right about a lot of things that couldn't be proved at the time, but in the end, his beliefs really limited the areas that he studied.
Specifically, "God does not play dice". heh
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:09 AM       
What I fail to understand is how any intelligent person can claim absolute knowledge of the Absolute?

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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:21 AM       
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What I fail to understand is how any intelligent person can claim absolute knowledge of the Absolute?
I certainly do not claim any absolute knowledge, and I am wary of anyone that does.

I am more of a scientific version of the Christian belief. I believe the Earth is as old as science says it is, that the dinosaurs did exist and ridicule the notion of the Earth being only ~6000 years old. I do not see any reason why science cannot coexist with Christianity, since they should do so logically if God created everything, including what science is founded on. heh

The universe is a wonderful and complex beast, and whether you believe it was created by God, the Big Bang, or a Big Bang started by God, to claim overriding knowledge of its absolutes is ludicrous at best. A true Christian will be the first to tell you that he does not understand everything or even a fraction of the way that God works in the world. We very wary of any that tell you that they do.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:25 AM       
NONSENSE! THE BIBLE TELLS US WHAT TO BELIEVE!
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:30 AM        YAY
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People who attack others because of what they believe or place faith in are most likely insecure about what they themselves feel regarding it.
My feelings exactly!
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:44 AM       
Then, Mockery, you know christians that aren't really that good.

If you have been introduced to God and Jesus Christ (and I don't mean in person, dumbasses) and you deny the divinity of the Creator or His Son, well, hell is hot and make sure you pack a icechest.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:47 AM       
People should find things for themselves. Someone telling you that you are going to Hell for not believing in God is NOT going to endear you towards what they are selling.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:52 AM       
Yes, I know. But sometimes the truth isnt rosy.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 10:58 AM       
Apparently, Vince is an example of someone who thinks they have absolute knowledge of the Absolute.

What a pompous fool!
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 11:02 AM       
More like Vinth thinks he is the Absolute.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 11:02 AM       
I believe certain things. So thus, I have certain beliefs I feel that are truth.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 11:21 AM       
Vince, do you follow Jesus' teachings or the church?
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 11:25 AM       
Yet you still don't understand that what you feel is "truth" hasn't been proven to be a "fact" by any means.

There's good Christians. There's bad Christians. There's good Atheists. There's bad Atheists. Believe in whatever you want, but don't pull this whole "burning in hell" bullshit. We don't need a walking, talking preachy pamphlet.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 11:32 AM       
The Mormon fella that came to my house told me that there are only a couple of thousand seats left in the sky ... and I got mine already. Good luck, suckas!
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 12:59 PM       
I'm a Christian by the most basic definition, Vince, and I don't think my Atheist friends (of which there are many, and I am not bothered by their beliefs) are all "GOING TO HELL".

Nor do I think Hell is a hot place with lava and fire and bullshit like that.
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 01:03 PM       
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Nor do I think Hell is a hot place with lava and fire and bullshit like that.
Hell is a place where Vince teaches us "grammer".
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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 01:19 PM       
"I think my IQ, my ACT scores and my hopefully acceptance to MENSA would think you are wrong in your assumptions."

"I've took their test online and got great results...

-VINTH GENIUTH!

I've took a look at your hopefully acceptance. Your scores is unreflective and are a false indicator.

Who but you could be bragging about their intelligence and say "I've took" ? Who but you, braggging about their intelligence would use the phrase "My hopefully acceptance to Mensa"?

I couldn't make you up. You are a priceless internet resource, a living treasure. You are so much more than just te dumbest person on I-mock. You are a true comic idiot savant.

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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 02:00 PM       
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I know the MENSA test isnt that big of a deal, but i just wanted to join. I've took their test online and got great results, so i figured what the hell?
http://www.mensa.org/workout.html

This quiz is provided for entertainment purposes only; it is not an IQ test. This score will not qualify you for Mensa.

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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 02:21 PM       
Proto brought up something that reminded me of something.
According to the Bible, Hell is not necessarily "fire and brimstone".

It is technically eternal seperation from God, whatever form that may take.

Incidently, Hunter S. Thompson has an interesting take on Hell:

"If there is, in fact, a Heaven and a Hell, all we know for sure is that Hell will be a viciously overcrowded version of Phoenix..."

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Old Jul 2nd, 2003, 02:28 PM       
Yea, some Christians came into my work one day and left flyers about that one day. I thought it was good of them. Christians who do things that aren't all rhetoric. GOD SAVED YOU, ACCEPT HIM OR BURN IN HELL.
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