saw III

[Geggy]

People are passing out at showing of Saw III...or it could be that the brits are wimpy like that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6101704.stm

[Azrael]

Pffffffftttt. The first two movies suck donkey balls, and I refuse to believe that people are passing out to this weak shit.

[Geggy]

I agree that the second one sucked ass but the first I thought was fairly intense, none more than Seven anyway.

Have you noticed the skyrocketing in the level of gore in new wave of horror films in these days? Hostel and TCM: the new beginning were both fucking disgusting! So I wonder if saw 3 is just as disgusting.

[liquidstatik]

hostel sucked, man
it wasn't gross at all

:/

[Krythor]

Saw III is fairly gratuitous. It's extremely mean spirited and macabre from beginning to end, so I can see why it would have that effect on people; it's the worst one yet, in every way.

I laughed really hard at Jigsaw's utopian romantic flashback in the middle of the brain drill scene.

[kahljorn]

hostel was like the worst movie :O

[Grislygus]

Originally Posted by Geggy

Have you noticed the skyrocketing in the level of gore in new wave of horror films in these days? Hostel and TCM: the new beginning were both fucking disgusting!

That's because they don't have JACK SHIT, and they fall back on gore to cover their asses. Our current wave of horror films are culturally worthless.

[Ninjavenom]

Originally Posted by Grislygus

That's because they don't have JACK SHIT, and they fall back on gore to cover their asses. Our current wave of horror films are culturally worthless.

Shut up. You act like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm St, Child's Play, or any other popular horror series aren't the same fucking thing.

[Fathom Zero]

I find it sad that people still faint in movie theatres. How can any movie possibly be that scary?

[Grislygus]

Originally Posted by Ninjavenom

Shut up. You act like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm St, Child's Play, or any other popular horror series aren't the same fucking thing.

I concede Friday the 13th.

The first Nightmare on Elm Street and the first Child's Play, however, had well written plots, clear story arcs, and significant cultural value. Saw and Hostel are crap, crap, crap, crap.

If I remember correctly, you're the one who watches Freak Squad, right?

[ArrowX]

The Current wave are just riding the wave saw started, they bring no memorable characters save for possibly Jigsaw. The reason people liked Friday the 13th, Nightmare, and Childs play are because of their respective characters. Would you go to a movie called Nightmare on Elm street if there was no freddy and jsut some generic bad guy? Not a chance. The current trend is relying almost entirely on shock value.

The Texas Chainsaw massacre films are exempt from this because they retain the spirit of the classic horror flick.

[Zomboid]

Shutup arrowx.

[Grislygus]

I would point out that the original Texas Chainsaw massacre lacked over-the-top, explicit gore, and yet still managed to be as revolting and shocking as possible.

[Fathom Zero]

Yeah, even though the gore was behind closed doors, it's remembered as the bloodiest, goriest movies ever. It's because of the atmosphere and the sound effects. Things just look like carbon copies of each other these days. Not that it wasn't years ago when slashers hit it big. I'm sure there were generic movies then, too. We remember Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Friday the 13th for one reason or another. They just seem to stand ahead of the pack.

[Supafly345]

You guys seem to be forgetting that all these movies are total shit. Just bad movies aimed to make a buck.

I like them despite this though, but you can't be a fucking horror snob when they all are crap. Unlress you are one of those fags that only watches movies like "The 6th Sense" over and over for you horror fix.

[Sethomas]

Actually, I watched a documentary a few years ago called "The American Nightmare". It talked about the age of horror films from roughly Night of the Living Dead to Halloween or Day of the Dead or whatever the most recent was, and it talked about the level of social consciousness that was displayed in them. The element of fear was used as a cultural medium. This is why Night of the Living Dead was seriously one of the most culturally stirring movies of all time--in the midst of the Civil Rights Movement, they made a movie about a black man that takes charge in an insane environment and ultimately gets killed by white trash. Day of the Dead, was that the one that mostly took place inside a mall? Anyways, that was a harsh commentary on how materialistic society had shifted ASAP after the radicalization of the Vietnam Era.

The present horror situation is just retarded. I've seen few such films, most recently The Hills have Eyes. It's just pornography for a different kind of masturbation, except it doesn't have the integrity of self-awareness as seen in sexual pornography.

If you aren't already aware, I was put on a bad combination of medications years ago that caused me to be batshit insane for a while. I had to suffer visualizations of eviscerating random people, often while I was holding conversations with them. I couldn't concentrate while listening to one guy because every time he talked I was fixated on what his face would look like with his cheeks ripped off. Having a young buff professor once, my attention span was limited in class because I couldn't look at him without wondering how I'd cook his pectoral muscles. See that obese guy? I wonder how long fat would drip from his fingers if he were burned at the stake. I had one medication change that fixed this, but when I went to yet another change I lost any sense of free will I had and drove 150 miles to murder an essentially random target just so I'd stop thinking about it. Thank God, I was stopped by two police officers that pulled me over for having a burned-out tail light. I knew that the right thing to do would be to admit to these problems, and once I did I probably permanently fucked up my future.

So, really, I've seen enough gore to last anyone a lifetime in my mental theater. When I see it recreated under the guise of "cinematic art", I just get the impression that some people never grew up out of middle school gore fantasies. Tarantino isn't an artist, he's a 12-year-old with a talent for dialog.

So, yeah, the obvious retort is "so what, not everyone is as fucked up as you". Whatever. Obviously people are going to do whatever makes them money, but that doesn't mean society isn't a collective of morons in allowing them to do as much with computer-generated brain splatters.

[Zen444]

George Romero said that it wasn't commentary on race, Duane Jones was just the best reader.

[ArrowX]

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.

[Geggy]

While I agree that Hostel was bad, you have to be sick in the head not to find it disgusting.

[Grislygus]

Of course it's disgusting, gore at that level can't be anything but disgusting. However, that's all it had. Gore and violence. There wasn't really any film.

Originally Posted by Supafly345

You guys seem to be forgetting that all these movies are total shit. Just bad movies aimed to make a buck.

I like them despite this though, but you can't be a fucking horror snob when they all are crap. Unlress you are one of those fags that only watches movies like "The 6th Sense" over and over for you horror fix.

Dammit, I promised myself that I wouldn't respond, because Sethomas went above and beyond the call of duty in that respect. Unfortunately, I'm unable to stop myself.

First of all, of course I can be a horror snob, because I'm an opinionated snob about movies in general. That doesn't change the fact that, as Sethomas has said, fear is a medium. It's a rich, diverse thing that can be achieved in a numerous amount of ways.

I have no doubt that you'll want to throttle me for being such a smug bastard after reading that, so please realize that I actually believe that wholeheartedly. It's not just art school bullshit.

Take the Omen, for example. Everywhere I go, I am confronted by the mentality that all horror is basically the same thing, so therefore The Excorcist is soooooo much better. This isn't true. The Exorcist relies on shock values and disgust, with an intriguingly simple storyline. It's one shock to another. The Omen relies on a rich storyline and atmosphere to instill a growing sense of dread, building to the climax.

I chose those movies, not only because they are literal opposites in the horror field while dealing with the same subject, but also mainly because every person here will undoubtedly say, "Those movies weren't scary at all."

Horror movies only scare you if you let them. Hell, that's part of the enjoyment, totally immersing yourself in it. However, people think the Excorcist is scarier because it's easier to let yourself be scared. The shock values are more immediately immersing than atmospheric horror.

As such, the current wave has totally and completely immersed itself in shock values and forgotten about the actual movie part. Or, they go down the atmospheric road and completely forget about the horror part.

This isn't to say that my beliefs apply to all horror movies. In fact, it can easily be said that all horror movie SEQUELS are bad movies aimed to make a buck. Except for Evil Dead.

Whew. Okay. I'm done being the art school cock.

[Sam]

What is so disgusting about Hostel?

Banana custard shooting out of an asian girl's burnt eye?

[Emu]

That sounds kind of hot

[Zomboid]

Originally Posted by StupidKraut

yup zen's right. The social commentary portion was a total fluke.

I'm really not trying to follow you around and flame every post you make, but really, fuck off. You're going down to a juttin level (which isn't far from where you were anyway) and I think we've all had enough of that for a bit :D

As for the omen - I liked the original a whole lot but the remake was just fucking horrible. I don't know why they thought that'd be a good idea. Especially since they replaced Gregory Peck with that douchebag from the scream movies.

[GADZOOKS]

All horror movies are terrible garbage.

Except the shining, because I am a huge Scatman Crothers fan.

[Misdemonar]

I didn't saw this movie