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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 02:53 PM        Are we now in a countdown to war with Iran?
Seymour Hirsch says so, and his investigative record has been pretty close to A+ these last few years.

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"For months, I have told interviewers that no senior political or military official was seriously considering a military attack on Iran. In the last few weeks, I have changed my view," he went on. "In part, this shift was triggered by colleagues with close ties to the Pentagon and the executive branch who have convinced me that some senior officials have already made up their minds: They want to hit Iran."
-Joseph Cirincione, a nuclear proliferation specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (CEIP) last week.

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"In recent months, I have grown increasingly concerned that the administration has been giving thought to a heavy dose of air strikes against Iran's nuclear sector without giving enough weight to the possible ramification of such action,"
Wayne White, State Department's top Middle East analyst until 2005, in an articl in The Forward (Repected Jew newspaper)

Dicky gave a major policy speech about Iran just recently. Condi said Iran wa the foremost global threat. Its starting to sound familliar.

Time to weigh in I-mockers. Is W going to strike Iran? How hard? When? Do you think he should? Is it just a negotiating ploy, hey, look out Iran, that W is KUH-RAZY and he really wants to use some nukes before he leaves office?
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 03:11 PM       
I tend to believe (and hope) that we do not do that. I think there's still a great deal of room for diplomacy and negotiation with Iran.

But yeah, I think we might bomb their nuclear sites.
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 03:14 PM       
I also think there is a great deal of room for diplomacy. Five years, minimum.

But I think the question is more like, does W think we should do this? Because as commander in chief, at least at the very begining of things, his is the only vote that counts.
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 03:28 PM       
I'm 99% sure he won't nuke Iran. He's just using the fact that he might, and that you can't rule it out altogether, to put pressure on them. And why not?

It would be kind of glorious if he actually did order an attack though, because they probably really think he wouldn't dare. And it would be entertaining to see their reaction. I'm bored of Iraq now.

By the way, I think you should edit the title of this topic to say Iran, we've already done Iraq.
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 03:56 PM       
Iran, Iraq, it's all the same to Bush.

Recommended (but long) reading, written by one of the few sane conversavtives...

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co...6/cr040506.htm
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 04:04 PM       
Just what I was about to say. But it was my mistake, neither intentional or ironic, and I've changed it.

'Glorius'?

Maybe, if the Iranians decided it might be funny to do absolutely nothing in retaliation. Otherwise it would be costly, stupid, and tragic. Oh, wait, it would be all those things even if they didn't retaliate. The Iranian people would probably greet us as liberators though, so it would all work out in the end.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 01:33 AM       
A Neo-Con I know told me Iranian flowers and candy are really nice.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 08:20 AM       
Bush and Rummy both have denied they were making any plans to strike Iran but then who can ever take their words for anything in these days. They're probably threatening Iran by using media as scare tactic as part of psychological warfare to prevent them from building nuke. If that doesn't work and Iran "won't cooperate" as Condi puts it that way, then their struggle to build democracy will be set even further back to 1000 years as soon as they get nuked. At least the US will have a place to dump the old, cluster nuclear bombs before they start building 125 new ones.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 08:41 AM       
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A Neo-Con I know told me Iranian flowers and candy are really nice.
......to bomb!

HAHAHAheh.....oh, not funny.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 09:52 AM       
seems like the tactic most used by the administration is escallation, escallation of violence, degradation, debt and fear. I think keeping enemies growing is part of the plan especially to keep the motherland so fearful they won't organize a democratic backlash against the corporate government.

that said, the latest de-escallation of reasons to attack iran has been the delay of the Iranian Oil Bourse(they missed the march plan to open the new market), if or when they start trading oil in some currency other than the dollar our corporate government will strike. same reason we invaded Iraq when we did, but of course it wasn't really in the news.


http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html
II. Iranian Oil Bourse

The Iranian government has finally developed the ultimate “nuclear” weapon that can swiftly destroy the financial system underpinning the American Empire. That weapon is the Iranian Oil Bourse slated to open in March 2006. It will be based on a euro-oil-trading mechanism that naturally implies payment for oil in Euro. In economic terms, this represents a much greater threat to the hegemony of the dollar than Saddam’s, because it will allow anyone willing either to buy or to sell oil for Euro to transact on the exchange, thus circumventing the U.S. dollar altogether. If so, then it is likely that almost everyone will eagerly adopt this euro oil system:

see also http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 10:27 AM       
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It would be entertaining to see their reaction. I'm bored of Iraq now.
What's it like to be a member of a mindless horde?
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 11:16 AM       
Or the child of a mindless whore!

Oh DON'T tell me not to go there, because that is where I went. Only a Jew, with their nturally selected humor skills that have sifted down to the genetic level could have thought of that joke! ONLY A JEW!!!
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 01:30 PM       
Yeah and a Jew, with his naturally selected poor fighting skills would only dare say it on an internet forum.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 01:58 PM       
Why is the angry emoticon killing you?

And only mongrel would think threatening someone on the internets was even mildly meaningful. How do I know you're not a spastic dwarf? But you jjust keep imp[lying that you could best me in a hitting each other match. It's your mongrel way.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 02:05 PM       
I'm not threatening you, I just don't believe you'd dare say that to my face.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 03:04 PM       
Well we will never find out so shut the fuck up pharaoh.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 03:11 PM       
I think it might depend on what your face was attached to. I'd have to pull it out of your ass and see what the whole package looked like. I think regardless of what you looked like I'd be as hppy to tell you as any Moron who treats "the Bell Curve" with respect and feels all put upon as a white man in the modern world that

A.) I think they're wrong.

B.) I think they're not thinking very much

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C.) I think people who deep down believe their race is superior to another race and are to ashamed to come out and say it and instead hide behind fourth rate scholarship are cowards.

As Ant so cleverly pointed out, we'll never know. Here's a heads up, in case you mised it. YOU ARE ON THE INTERNET.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 03:57 PM       
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As Ant so cleverly pointed out, we'll never know.
I know.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 04:32 PM       
OKAY, THAT'S IT, LETS THROW DOWN YOU PUSSY!

Oh, you can't 'cause it's the internets. I guess that means you'd be CHICKEN TO FACE UP TO ME IN REAL LIFE! I'd beat your ass so bad you wouldn't be able to tell it from your face! You'd run like a monkey, you poncy tea bag! I'm AMURICAN and the sun ain't set on OUR empire yet! If not for us you'd all be heiling Hiter and naming your kids Heinz by now and don't you forget it!

You need a good old fashoned yankee style beating. USA! USA! Send you runnin' to your purple faced, raging 'form leader'.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 04:38 PM       
Maybe we could start a scholarship fund for Pharaoh. The "bring Pharaoh to the states to get his face smashed" fund.

He'd really "drop a clanger" then, eh!?
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 04:45 PM       
I'm shaking in my boots, butwank.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 04:52 PM       
Really? 'Cause that's just what I was doing before, when you were all "This is what you'd do if this was real"! Up in my grill an' all, all manly like some purple faced, butch teacher in rage, I was, like, shaking in my boots!

I'd use that emoticon, but I'm pretty comnfortable expressing myself with words, on account of my genetically enhanced IQ.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 05:08 PM       
Q: Whats transparent and lies in the gutter?


A: Butwank with the shit kicked out of him!

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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 05:15 PM       
I'm shaking in my boots!
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 05:27 PM       
Is this why you won't make fun of me, max? Cuz we both live in within few miles of one and other and pharoah's in somewhere half way around the world? You know I would never come to your house to beat the shit out of you and your family, even though I can easily find out where you live in the phone book. Are you shaking in your boots now? Heh. No matter how much you'd poke fun at me, you're never going to piss me off. But I wonder if this has to do anything with our lack of buffer-zone that gets you shaking in your boots. Heh. Just checkin.
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