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Old Dec 13th, 2007, 01:31 PM       
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Your quote which speaks of sword and division has everything to do with obedience to God the father and creating a new spiritual family and nothing to do with physical warfare.

Check your facts, JACK.
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You mean there's more than on interpretation of the text?! YOU DON'T SAY!

But...but...that might mean that there is more to the text about Aisha than meets the eye! That might mean that Mohammed wasn't really banging a 9 year old!

Mind-boggling! Another interpretation of Aisha, just like there's another interpretation of Matthew!
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Old Dec 13th, 2007, 03:18 PM       
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The difference here is that to cite absurdities in Christianity requires going to old testament books -- Christ overthrew Old Testament law nearly daily. He was the one who performed miracles on the Sabbath and stopped the stoning of an adulteress woman, a man who hung out with prostitutes and Roman tax collectors.
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Old Dec 13th, 2007, 07:04 PM       
scru: whehter you believe they were miracles or not he was violating the Sabbath and the Hereses even confronted him on it. That is what is important...

And Max, St. Augustine wrote a bit on military service and noted that no one can kill for God or for religion and the only way that a Christian can engage in fighting is if it is ordered by law or if it is in self-defense.

He spoke of the division between the carnal world and the heavenly world in his landmark peace, City Of God, and noted that one of the many contradictions on Earth is that people have to fight for peace (which is not a contradiction that exists in the Heavenly world).

There is a clear separation of each in all early Christian thought.

But of course, when we discuss these things people interpret them however they want. Even though I doubt any of you guys are Christians, you simply use liberal interpretations to piss off the conservative Christian here. But that is what is to be expected so I am not surprised.

Next: we know that MOhammed started having sex with his 9 year old wife during cohabitation. lIn her accounts in the Haddith she notes they bathed together and during her menstrual cycle he would fondle her. So she was menstruating. He was fucking her amongst his other 9 or 11 wives (this number is debated even amongst Muslims).

These are just facts, Max, and it goes to show that while Christians focused on healthy spiritual life Mohammed was focusing on a more earthly life of violence and sex.

In fact, it is boasted in the Haddith that Mohammed had the strength of 30 men and on occasion would fuck all 9 or 11 of his wives in one night (11 in the accounts of him fucking them all in one night).

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Narrated by Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#001.006.298

another good excerpt:

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#001.005.268
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Old Dec 13th, 2007, 08:01 PM       
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scru: whehter you believe they were miracles or not he was violating the Sabbath and the Hereses even confronted him on it. That is what is important...
mohammad stopped the angel gabriel from pressing a town of sinner, because he believed that even if they didn't follow righteous path their children would, and if their children didn't their children's children would. so if you wanna exchange miracle stories I'm down.

plus if you cared any about the religion of islam you'd know that unsupported hadiths are a dime a dozen. I've heard hadiths saying that I should only eat dates and drink coconut oil during ramadan, regardless of the physiological realities of the diet. SO I'm a little suspicious of a hadith that says its routed in Islam saying that mohammad was a pedophile. Do you hear many sermons talking about jesus and mary magdaline having a kid?
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Old Dec 14th, 2007, 01:07 AM       
There are Islamic groups that have scolded other Muslims for westernizing themselves by rejecting those accounts.

Do you know whether those specific Hadiths are rejected or not?

It seems Hadiths are important:

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Hadith (الحديث transliteration: al-ḥadīth) are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of Prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence.
(wikipedia)

Both Hadiths quoted come from accepted Sunni hadiths, not rejected ones.

They come from the Bukhtari and Muslim hadiths.

So what do you think of that, then, that these are accepted hadiths and not just the shot in the dark ones?
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Old Dec 14th, 2007, 11:11 PM       
I have my doubts about the ones that are solely designed to make the the prophet muhammad look bad, by giving us the miracle of a 9 year old menstrating. Sounds like an argument any sensible oral tradition passed by muslims would make.

none the less you have repeated dodged my direct question: what's your point with this topic?
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Old Dec 14th, 2007, 11:37 PM       
I know just about nothing about the Koran and therefore I will refrain from arguing correctness in thier passages. But due to the inacuracy of the previous Bible quotes they are definately suspect. Too bad I am not motivated enough to check into them.
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Old Dec 15th, 2007, 06:37 PM       
jesus, this thread gave me a headache.
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Old Dec 16th, 2007, 09:17 AM       
The point of this topic was to show my contempt for Islam.

Just the way as atheists often make threads showing their contempt of religion and specifically Christianity, you can consider this my own little religous thread showing where I stand on something.
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Old Dec 16th, 2007, 04:03 PM       
" Just the way as atheists often make threads showing their contempt of religion..."

'Just the way as"

"Just the way as"

I'm trying to imagine what it's like to be as big a boob as you are, and I can't.

In addition to showing your contempt for the English language, you put all this work into a thread that's about showing contempt, because, what, you disapprove of the contempt of others?

All you've shown is that you are contemptous, something generally not considered a virtue.

What the hell is wrong with you?
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Old Dec 16th, 2007, 04:27 PM       
I've never understood these "your religion is fucked up" debates. Dude, I eat a dead hippie every week and drink his blood. Max talks to Moses at night, and yeah, Scru digs little girls. Awesome.

How are you going to begin a discussion by telling 1.5 billion people that they're pervert worshippers? How is that a solid footing to begin a discussion?

I think there's a big difference between political Islam and broader Islam. Ali Eteraz has become a pretty good authority on this. You can't win an argument with 1.5 billion people over whether their faith sucks or not. It's pointless.
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Old Dec 17th, 2007, 01:42 PM       
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The point of this topic was to show my contempt for Islam.
That's a surefire way towards intelligent, reasoned debate. Goody for you.
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Old Dec 17th, 2007, 04:41 PM       
He doesn't want debate, he wants a blog that has readers.
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Old Dec 17th, 2007, 05:02 PM       
I feel like this thread is over now that KK admitted he's just trolling.
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Old Dec 17th, 2007, 06:33 PM       
Damnit, where'd the porn go!?

This thread was making a comeback, Boogie.
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Old Dec 19th, 2007, 12:49 PM       
Come on, KK, give me something, here.

How about those Jews, huh? Don't you have a very informative study that points out that Jewish people do have large noses and a love of money?
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Old Dec 19th, 2007, 01:29 PM       
If you dont just make some up or change something in the bible to say it. Im counting on you for entertainment KK. Do not let me down.
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Old Dec 19th, 2007, 01:42 PM       
This just occurred to me.

In the interests of full disclosure you should all know that my wife was nine and a half when we got married.

In hindsight, I see how it could appear that this biased my contribution to this thread.
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Old Dec 20th, 2007, 04:21 AM       
While 9 seems young it is possible for it to be passed the very clear sign of womanhood.

Example from my personal being my grandmother being 13 when married and pregnant soon after. Is this bad? Maybe. Maybe modern concept of childhood is silly to my grandmother. Social norms differ wildly. Maybe religion is more personal. Maybe religion is just for you and no one needs to interfere if you do not break their silly rules. So silly rules for everyone. Good luck to all my friends.
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Old Dec 20th, 2007, 09:01 AM       
Why dont we all just become Mormon. If you take all the religion out of it they have a pretty good idea.


Multiple wives for everyone YAY!!!!
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Old Dec 20th, 2007, 12:08 PM       
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Why dont we all just become Mormon. If you take all the religion out of it they have a pretty good idea.


Multiple wives for everyone YAY!!!!
Only a few splinter groups still do that.
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Old Dec 20th, 2007, 12:32 PM       
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Only a few splinter groups still do that.

Well thats the only part I agree with so only those types of Mormons.

Although my wife always slaps me when I mention converting for some strange reason.
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Old Dec 20th, 2007, 08:29 PM       
My bullshit religion is better than your bullshit religion.
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Old Dec 21st, 2007, 01:39 PM       
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Old Dec 26th, 2007, 10:10 PM       
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