Michael Moore gets some boos for his Oscar speech

[mburbank]

Oh, Vincey.

Did I hurt your feelings? Did I not show the proper respect for your interest in debate. I didn't think it would bother a Man like you. I thought you might even see respct as 'feminizing' you.

But, if you have to be a 'big crybaby girl' about it, so be it.

I haven't seen the movie anyway, so I wouldn't debate its merits. "Roger and Me", fine. "Columbine"? haven't seen it.

See, I was just asking. But if my assumtion that you were just blowing sea water out your blowhole offended your delicate sensabilities, well, I'm sure I'm sorry, and I'll make every ttempt to be gentler in the future.

[VinceZeb]

Chojin, you are calling me a whiny child? Wow. Someone who talks in intelligent sentences about intelligent issues VS some kid who is a "Gay Alien Bondage Dog". Lets take a world wide poll and see who is more mature? I don't think you want to take me up on that.

No, you didn't offend me one bit. Let's be realistic, Max. If you decided to walk out in front of a freight train today, I can always find another idiot to argue with. Your are a dime a baker's dozen. You only matter to me because I like arguing with idiots. It's a hobby, I guess.

You wanted something from me, and then turn around and try to be cute. So thus, you don't get it. Words mean things, moron. If you would have not tried to be cute, I would have given you my opinions on the movie. But since you were, no cookie for you.

[Anonymous]

And we need look no further than Proto's signature to see those intelligent sentences.

PS. Cute Gay Alien Bondage Dog, according to you, missah.

[Zosimus]

Zosimus, man, I know I have to regonize you! Who were you, the jew-hating whatreallyhappend.org lemming? Nah... you said you were there a year, well the board went up in August 02 so there is a lie.... were you on the old antimtv.com board? Oh come on, who were you? I just know I got to know it!

Im sorry, the board isnt a right wing extremist nazi board. Considering we have libertarians, socialists, communists, conseratives, paleo-conseratives, atheists, Catholics, Jews, Frenchies, Asians, Blacks, Whites on our board, we are/were a bit bunch Up With People! recruits.

Lets face it, every liberal on there cant back up facts. And who was the extremist? Was it Gator, Preechr, BloodDuster, GenuinePulse, newsfilter, who was it? xagent? CFAG? I am dying to know.

Swallow CNN? Man, you must be a liar or an idiot. I am really dying to know who you are! I guess I will find out soon enough. Although, I bet i know who you are... considering you never put any thought into a post and always talked about the jews causing everything, you got banned because you are a fucking idiot, not becuase of your opinions.

yes vince, I'm sure that I am the idiot ! It only takes a moment of glancing through ANY of YOUR posts (anywhere you've been) to be able to distinct whom the real idiot is here, and I can assure you my little friend that it isn't I!
First of all, I was on the antimtv-board, which by all means is the same board as the one your truth-fucking-friends now have on newsfilter. Interesting choice of name "Newsfilter", Eric should call himself "Truthfilter" instead, but naturally he was, from the start, just a lying, bigot, low-life racist anyways. So, who cares what he is anyways! His mouth, like yours, is bigger than his balls. Since you keep writing back and whining, why don't you go back and beg for some info...I'm sure you've done that already!

I am not who you think I am, as I have never hated Jews or any other culture in the WORLD! FYI, I happen to only hate discriminative people such as yourself...so call me a "racist." I think I could live with that.
People like you, are only trouble-making hatemongerers. You have no morals in regard to other creatures or lifeforms except for yourself. Your best features are: SELFISH, concieted and arrogant. You call Chojin a child, and yet you are the one who needs to grow up, and start re-evaluating your norms and values. I just plainly find you dumb, and as for your disregard for human life in general well, I wish I had you in range with a gun pointing at YOU.... maybe that might put some respect into you (not to mention, change your mind about alot of things) and the likes of you!
There is one thing I have to say to your defense, your buddies are harder to deal with than you. All you do is whine ........

oops..got so carried away before that I forgot to respond to the other points:

1) I love the fact that you say "we have" when you said "fuck you I'm leaving this site" to them! LOL

2) Vince, how many "Blacks" and socialists would you say are represented on that (piece of crap) board? How many "leftist? 3?

These boys are all extremists in most of their topics and resposes. They consist of white, religious , republican, war-loving extremists. Yeah, the variation of different opinions at that place is REALLY mind-blowing ! tssk...

3) You are Completely wrong vince, there ARE actually liberals there that have SUPERB facts to back them up: LondonProphet, Lemuel Pigoen, Taffer, occasionally Preechr, just to mention some you know!
BTW: Liberals and leftists don't have to go very far to get to the truth...

4) Yes! CNN, Fox, all of the brain-washing medias that love to fuck with the public's heads! Thank god for the internet, at least now people have a chance to hear what people are thinking in other countries. These newschannels serve you what they want you to know, not what you OUGHT to know!!

[FS]

Actually, I didn't cry to that board at all. I just felt idiots like you needed to be exposed. I have not posted there in around 2 months. Had a falling out. But I figured that morons such as yourself need a little sunlight. I'm all for exposing you morons for who you are. I am also trying to get you posted at a few major web sites for the anti-war idiocy that you all spew.

This is quite fun, actually.

"Wah, wah! I'm outnumbered by the evil bedwetting treehuggers and I need my backup!" You little bitch. If you want a crowd of people nodding and masturbating synchronically as you type your ridiculous blood rants in a frantic attempt at defeating a cruel childhood of looking like Pop'n Fresh, go back to this aptly named newsfilter board. You're not going to defeat anyone here. No one's going to be impressed or give up when there's a few people here tell you to "keep fighting" against "that gay liberalist scum" in poor spelling and possibly all caps.

[El Blanco]

As for the "integrity" of the documentary, this doesn't say that Moore lied, it says that Moore simply didn't know, and if anything is guilty of being lazy. Does this make him a liar? I don't think so.

Thats the problem, whether he lied or half assed it, he intentionally misled people. What kind of documentary is that?

Secondly, do you think the folks who live in that area, PARTICULARLY the teenagers who shot up Columbine H.S., knew the details of the plant? I live relatively close to Indian Point power plant in NY. I have NO idea what regions of the state that powers, or even what particular uses they put the power towards. All I know is that it's POWERFUL. Whether or not the missiles had warhead nukes for war is another question. LM DOES make missiles for the purposes of war, maybe not in Littleton, but certainly elsewhere. People DO know that.

A) I'm pretty sure the people who work in the plants have an idea if they are or aren't making missiles.

B) It has little if anything to do with the shooting, no matter what Moore wants people to believe.

I took a look at this guys research, as well as the original NRA transcript. The accusation levied against Moore is that he created a new speech from pieces of Heston's speech. Now if he distorted the words to make Heston imply something else, then I think there's a case here. But when you read the entire Heston transcript, and get to the part where he addresses the mayor, the SAME message of defiance that Moore depicted is still conveyed. Perhaps Moore wanted the same effect in less time. However, the one addition of the "cold dead hands" part is wrong, if true (anybody otherthan this "guy" find this out?).

Did he, or did he not cut and paste to make a new speech? Yes, he did.

I've read the entire speech, I don't see it as that defiant. Then again, I haven't actually seen the speech so I don't know what the tone was.

That aside, it doesn't really change the fact that the NRA still went into Littleton after Columbine to be reactionary and defiant.

He went to fufill an obligation he made to members. He didn't do it to rub it in the noses of the victims and their families. And how reactionary can it be if it is planned years in advance? And it wasn't Littleton, it was Denver. Not a huge difference, until you realize that Denver is a major metro area and huge support center for the NRA.

"Fact: Heston's speech was given at a "get out the vote" rally in Flint, which was held when elections rolled around some eight months after the shooting."

Is 8 months not a short period for that? Do you think everybody in that town had moved on after simply 8 months??

He wasn't campaigning for the NRA. He was encouraging people to vote. I'll give you that he probably threw in some NRA rhetoric, but who doesn't slip in there own beliefs at things like that?

And do you think everyone in town cared after 8 weeks?

How many Klan members do you think were members of the NRA?

Come on. That question is so biased, it nearly sickens me. Do you know that the NRA wants to grant equal Second Amendment protection to everyone? Regardless of race, religion, social standing etc? If you look at a lot of gun control laws, they highly favor the rich and the racists.

How many KKK members do you think belong to AAA? Does either have anything to do with the other?

No. Moore tried to portray the NRA as a bunch of old white racist extremists, which is far from the truth. They have done twice as much for civil rights as that asshole and represent at least 83 million Americans (thats their official membership, anyway). I don't agree with them on a lot of issues, but I certainly have more respect for them than some fake "Hollywood intellectual".

The shame is, I agreed with the original premise of the movie. It was supposed to examine the violent nature in America. But, instead he went on a liberal rant and crying all over the Columbine shooting, while almost entirly ignoring the hundreds of innercity shootings every year. Instead of actually getting the ball rolling on solving the problem, he just went and took the usual potshots everyone else already has.

I was at first shocked to find this won an Oscar for best documentary, but then I realized, these are the same assholes who gave a standing ovation to a fugitive child rapist.

[Zosimus]

Hey Vince come again!

[theapportioner]

Well, as a tree huggin Constitution hatin faggoty bleedin heart liberal, I will also say that I think Moore's movie is shit.

[mburbank]

Really? 'Cause I haven't seen it. What about you, Vince? Seen it?

Seriously though.
"Someone who talks in intelligent sentences" doesn't talk about a country that has hostilities to us. And that's HARDLY you're only stand out mangling. I'm not sayying I don't get your points, but I am saying the next time you put together a list of things to pat yourself on the back about, you should concider crossing off 'talks in intelligent sentences'. Stick to your strengths. You're very good at bragging.

"You wanted something from me, and then turn around and try to be cute."
If you can't see tht I'm gtting everything I want from you and a side of fries you must have visual problems as well as heat rash.

And I'm not so interested in your predictable opinions about the movie. I'm just asking you if you saw it.

[Zebra 3]

- Finally, Michael Moore's credibility is resolved. His Holiness Rael has awarded Moore the "Honory Guide" title. You can read it here.

[ranxer]

Re: moore list of 'lies'
i thought all the criticizms at that site were whiney(but i only read kevins quote), i never thought it was a 'documentary' more a mooreumentary or something but ive also never seen him lie just expose and illustrate with standupish cynical humor, he's laughing at you critics

splicing something that heston said at another meeting makes fine sense in the movies, sounded like a speech or two maybe a splice to show the nra's position works too.. hestons been pretty consistant in his stance, no?

and

Fact: The Denver event was not a demonstration relating to Columbine, but an annual meeting, whose place and date had been fixed years in advance."

!!? i got that impression from the movie. i'm pretty sure moore said and '..at an anual nra..' 'the week of the shooting..' i didnt bring a vid cam into the theater but i wanted to, damn thing aint on vhs till dec. is that normal time lag?

either way, i thought the point was that the nra and heston seems to have blundered(exposed themselves) in not being concerned or informed enough to relate guns to murder in a school.

[VinceZeb]

Zos, Erik recently moved and his site makes him a nice little bit of money so he doesnt have to work. What do you do? That's what I thought.

You are still an idiot. I don't need help from anyone to argue with the likes of your stupid ass. I can handle myself.

[Helm]

I don't think I've ever seen so many idiotic personal images & signatures on a message board.

[VinceZeb]

Yeah, no one has a setup like you, helm. Some videogame chick and a bunch of numbers. Man, you really just own the rest of us, huh?

[El Blanco]

either way, i thought the point was that the nra and heston seems to have blundered(exposed themselves) in not being concerned or informed enough to relate guns to murder in a school.

Those kids also made pipe bombs and took the propane tank off a bbq to use as a bomb, yet no one protests Home Depot.

As I have said before, Moore is neither innovative or insightful. He takes the same potshots tons of others take. He just looks like a slob doing it.

[Helm]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

Yeah, no one has a setup like you, helm. Some videogame chick and a bunch of numbers. Man, you really just own the rest of us, huh?

Yes.

[mburbank]

I was just kind of wondering recently if Vince had ever seen this movie.


"What do you do? That's what I thought."

Vince, you should wait for Zos to answer so you won't be all embarassed like you were when it turned out Kelly has seen combat and you ended up looking like a colossal idiot.

[Vibecrewangel]

Gun control was originally designed to control Blacks and is racist

Illegalizing marijuana was originally to control Mexicans and is racist

Private schools were to originally designed to keep the rich away from the poor. Most of the poor were Black or Mexican. Guess what........racist.

[El Blanco]

Private schools were to originally designed to keep the rich away from the poor. Most of the poor were Black or Mexican. Guess what........racist.

Calm down. Private schools were meant for the rich, but they were equal opportunity excluders. Black, white, Mexican, Indian, as long as you were poor, you were out.

[Vibecrewangel]

Blanco -

My point was...that Vince, who doesn't live in the past like all those museum lovin' people, keeps spouting off about how gun control laws used to be racist while something he is so in favor of, private schools, used to be just as racist.

How was that for a run-on sentance?

[The_Rorschach]

With all due respect, they aren't all that similar however.

I believe in absolute freedom absolutely. I am more than willing to tolerate racism in the private sector, assuming that racism is not endorsed publically. By which I mean, lets say a privately-owned Golf Club decides it does not wish to allow anyone with white fingernails to join. I believe this is their perogative, so long as the prejudice is passive i.e. they are simply refusing admittance to such individuals and not seeking them out and setting fire to their front yards.

Institutionalized racism however, such as laws, should be race neutral. I don't believe the gun laws of old were racist. Alright, cheap pistolas were illegal to sell. The argument goes, Well, The Blacks Were The Poorest So Thats An Example Of Whitey Trying To Keep Them Unarmed! Not so. Poverty is an equal oppourtunity lender, and (debatable) statistics have shown that more whites than blacks were adversely affected by that law. In number only, however, not by percentile, it should be noted.

I'm afraid I stand by Blanco on this one Vibe

[theapportioner]

Private v Public... what about affirmative action in a private versus public university? Question for everyone.

[Vibecrewangel]

Ror -

I agree with both you and Blanco, however I am only talking about the race issue. Not the legal issue.
I tend to take things down to their most base point. In this case racsim. Legal or social, racism is racism.

Vince is crying racism when it comes to gun control, but not when it comes to private schools. Not to mention he is talking about the past when he does, not the present. And remember, he lives in the present.....at least when it comes to museums. With gun control it's okay to live in the past so it seems.

I was only trying to show that he is picking an choosing. Just like the killing / murder issue in another thread.

[VinceZeb]

Please explain to me how gun control and private schools are even alike in the public debate?

Possesion of weapons is given to us in the 2nd Amendment. Private schools are there for EVERYONE, as long as you can afford to pay. There are BLACK schools, Vibe.

The whole voucher movment is very simple: The money that Ms. Jones pays for her kid out of her taxes to go to a shitty public drug ridden school is then given to a private school that will allow her kid to get a good education. Private school students PAY for public schools. They should be able to get a tax credit based on the tuition they pay for private schools. It creates COMPETITION! Competition elimateds the sucky schools and raises the bar on ALL schools. The kids and parents win. The Teacher's Union ends up looking stupid.

[mburbank]

Say Vince, ever seen "Bowling for Cloumbine"?