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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 07:50 PM       
i think in a perfect world all dogs would run free kinda like in that movie all dogs go to heaven but on the earth but therefore since this is not a perfect world we must conclude today that some dogs are better off in the forest like wild dogs and wolves for example and other dogs are good to cuddle with on the couch and they are good for other things too for example feeding them your vegetables under the table i do that sometimes also if i have to let one go and there are others around i blame it on the dog what about cats i prefer dogs but that is my personal opinion
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 07:59 PM       
Well, if they make puppies they will have a pack, so that problem will be solved!
And anyways, at the worst the dogs will be eaten by coyotes, thus continuing the canine circle.

"Dogs cannot think or comprehend on the levels humans can. They lack reasoning skills, and the ability to logically compare one situation with another. They can associate actions, but they cannot comprehend complex mental tasks (ever see a dog play the violin?) "

No, but ive seen dogs play basketball and football, I've even seen them know the differences between a 3/8ths socket and a 1/4 inch socket. I've seen them herd sheep, and know not to let certain one's go stray, and that if another dog comes along to fuck it up. They know not to eat the sheep, and even how to manage all of the sheep into a pen. Sounds kind of complicated, there are human beings who make a living doing that.
You don't know what a dog thinks or feels, it's only your ego telling you you are superior to animals. You're just a moron who thinks animals are lesser than you, the same kind of person who thinks a rock is irrelevant to their life, which is fine, because simple people are relevant to my life.

Even disregarding all concepts of freedom and choice, captive and domesticated animals are a fluke in any case. If you have breeded something to the point that it can't wipe it's own ass or feed it's own mouth, then you have done nothing but create the suffering in the first place, creating a prison not of steel but of genomes and such. Regardless of if they all die, it will need to be done. All we do now to control the animal population is kill them all off anyway(population control is neat like that).
It's sad you say strays die off of starvation, when their other choice is to die by needle. There are children in ethopia starving! But they are starving better than a dog, because they can think complicatedly and play the violon.



Also dogs can count. Want to know how? Dog has six puppies, one gets missing(then there are five), so dog goes looking for other puppy. OMG THE DOG CAN COUNT!?!?

*edit* Also, I'm confused. Dogs are basically incapable of thought and "True happiness like us superior brand of human cause we can play the violon and use an abbicus". So they can't appreciate the responsibility of running outside free-- when they run through those pearly gates. They just do it because they are dumb animals; but if they are that dumb, then how can they appreciate the "Loving Home" where they are fed and cleaned up after? Annd if this is the case, why are you making such a big fucking deal about the whole thing? They should be just as happy rotting in a cage as in your backyard.
Oh of course, animals are capable of thought an dhappiness when they are happy in your backyard, but once they leave they are dumb animals! OKAY PRESIDENT BUSH THANK YOU SIR FOR YOUR OPINION.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 08:11 PM       
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If you have breeded something to the point that it can't wipe it's own ass or feed it's own mouth, then you have done nothing but create the suffering in the first place, creating a prison not of steel but of genomes and such.
I actually agree with your point on domestication. If people want to cry that domesticated animals can't survive in the wild, well boo hoo - people keeping them as pets is perpetuating these flawed breeds that serve no purpose but to serve humans. These animals are not only prisoners, they're bred prisoners... AND fucking slaves to boot! That's pretty selfish if you ask me.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 08:31 PM       
Sorry, mfer. But nature isn't politically correct. We most definitely are in fact superior. If we weren't, then we wouldn't be on the top of the food chain.

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No, but ive seen dogs play basketball and football, I've even seen them know the differences between a 3/8ths socket and a 1/4 inch socket. I've seen them herd sheep, and know not to let certain one's go stray, and that if another dog comes along to fuck it up. They know not to eat the sheep, and even how to manage all of the sheep into a pen. Sounds kind of complicated, there are human beings who make a living doing that.
So what.

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If you have breeded something to the point that it can't wipe it's own ass or feed it's own mouth, then you have done nothing but create the suffering in the first place, creating a prison not of steel but of genomes and such.
I would tend to agree. But just because dogs are capable of living amongst humans doesn't mean they're incapable of any actions that they're ancestors were. They just regard humans as family members, and have adapted to the situation.

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Also dogs can count. Want to know how? Dog has six puppies, one gets missing(then there are five), so dog goes looking for other puppy. OMG THE DOG CAN COUNT!?!?
Wow. Stop the presses. They can count to six. Look out, Einstein.

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*edit* Also, I'm confused. Dogs are basically incapable of thought and "True happiness like us superior brand of human cause we can play the violon and use an abbicus". So they can't appreciate the responsibility of running outside free-- when they run through those pearly gates. They just do it because they are dumb animals; but if they are that dumb, then how can they appreciate the "Loving Home" where they are fed and cleaned up after? Annd if this is the case, why are you making such a big fucking deal about the whole thing? They should be just as happy rotting in a cage as in your backyard.
Did you even read my post? I don't think you did. Sure dogs like to "run outside free". But they also like to be with their families, which happen to be human. They aren't dumb. They just cannot think on the same levels humans can, but in your case...
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 08:41 PM       
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I would tend to agree. But just because dogs are capable of living amongst humans doesn't mean they're incapable of any actions that they're ancestors were. They just regard humans as family members, and have adapted to the situation.
Right, but I think this is in response to the statements made that 'domesticated animals can't survive on their own so it is our duty to keep them as pets'. If this is really the case - which I'm not sure it is... can anyone verify? - then by adapting to our situation they've lost the means to survive on their own. So it's our fault they're helpless and by perpetuating the species we're perpetuating these beings that depend completely on us for survival. Again, I don't really agree with this, I'm just saying that it's no reason to justify domestication.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 08:46 PM       
there's a funny thing about food chains.
Want to know what it is?
It's a chain.
A food chain is a chain.
When one element is taken out, another falls.
When there is no Elk, the tiger dies from lack of food.
When there is no tiger, the elk over breeds and eventually runs out of food(when the elk overbreeds the tigers will increase in numbers as well, thus balancing the equation).
When the elk overbreeds it eats up all the grass and other animals die off as well.

It eventually all comes down to plants growing out of dirt.
The dirt is what allows the plant to survive.
The plant is what allows the elk to survive.
The Elk is what allows the tiger to survive.
Without eachother they would die off.

Dirt is probably the bottom of the food chain, though it is not "Biological" as per claims of scientific fun (and I will not argue the "Life" of a rock now)
Our survival, is then, based on dirt.
Like a domesticated animals is based upon us.
We are better than the animal because it needs us to survive
We can't survive without dirt.
Ergo, is dirt better than us?

Thank you for playing 3rd grade ecology. I would tend to mention, there are technicalities of that, many many, but I would prefer to keep it to a simple chain. I'm sure you have the wonderful squishy superior human brain to analyze it!


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"So what"

You said animals can't do complicated things, those are certainly "Complicated".

" But just because dogs are capable of living amongst humans doesn't mean they're incapable of any actions that they're ancestors were."
So are you agreeing that animals are capable of living in the wild like there ancestors? Wow, what a stern genius we have here...

"Did you even read my post? I don't think you did. Sure dogs like to "run outside free". But they also like to be with their families, which happen to be human. They aren't dumb."
So, when I let the dog go free I was giving it an aspect of it's life it loves, if it loves it's family it would come back, wouldnt it?
So again, what is the relevance of the argument against me releasing an animal, if they know what they like they will come back... Sure, they can't think complicated; but in the wild packs may seperate to hunt, but they always come back together, kind of how pigeons know to fly "Home". The same would go in the instance, were it the instance.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:04 PM       
you let them free, kahl, because you ASSUMED that they wanted to be free. just because they ran away, doesn't mean that they were unhappy. they are dogs, and as you point out, it is in their nature to run.

what you did was unleash a couple of domesticated animals into the wild thereby endangering them. you say if they get hit by a car that it's the price they paid for freedom? i say that if they get hit by a car, it's your fault for letting them out in the first place.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:08 PM       
OH God, what have I done.

Also, i don't recall saying they like to run, I said they liked to be free. Running can be an aspect of freedom, but so can drinking from gutters and shitting on your doorstep.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:12 PM       
you killed puppies

speaking of which (not that i am going to kill puppies, but puppies in general)...i want the greyhound named faith on this website:

http://www.greyhoundadoptionofOH.org

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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:15 PM        .
grey hounds are cool and all but i think they kina look like horses. :/
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:20 PM       
grey hounds are cool and all but i think they kina look like horses.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:21 PM       
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:22 PM       
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:31 PM       
CLAP CLAP CLAP

let's try to stay focused on my pretty greyhound, kids.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:33 PM       
Is it a girl or a boy? Are you having a puppy shower?
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:36 PM       
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:37 PM       
it's a girl. we probably won't be able to adopt her until after thanksgiving, but my boyfriend and i are going to visit her either wednesday or thursday. we'll fill out the adoption papers and all that then too.

i'm going purely on looks with her. she just looks super gentle and sweet. for all i know she could be a terror.

i most definitely will have a puppy shower.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:40 PM       
OMG A PUPPY SHOWER, IT'S GONNA BE RAINING CATS AND DOGS AT GLOWBELLY'S HOUSE
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:42 PM       
Can I come? I'll bring cake made of doggy bones, or a cake that looks like a doggy bone.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:43 PM       
you won't try to "liberate" my greyhound, will you?

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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:45 PM       
Not unless she starts crying, I just couldn't handle that.
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Old Oct 6th, 2003, 09:47 PM       
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