MICHAEL MOORE LIED

[El Blanco]

Originally Posted by AChimp

Of course he didn't have it tattooed on his ass. He does, however, have access to sources where he can get that kind of information. It's not like Fred Barnes is an ultra-popular celebrity that has to live in secrecy and hide from the world, lest the paparazzi go nuts.

ITs not like no one knows who and what Moore is, either. Why the hell would Barnes take his call, or atleast tell him to piss off after hearing the sarcastic question.

Haven't you heard of those radio stations that try to boost popularity by prank-calling the Pope? How do they get that number, hmm?

They don't talk to the Pope. They might get through to some high ranking bishop if they are lucky and get their hands on a good number, but its not like they are tapped into JP2's hotline.

Quibbling about how Moore actually went about making the telephone call is meaningless.

Actually, the point is whether he made the call and had this conversation. He has to prove he did. Barnes doesn't have to prove he didn't.

You're failing to see that Barnes is only complaining about it NOW, ten years later. It would be better to just ignore it at this point than whine and cry.

He wasn't aware of it. He then found out it appeared in a best seller from about 3 years ago.

And why is it when Moore writes a response, he is valiantly defending himself against losers and nutjobs with nothing better to do than criticize him, but Barnes is just whining and crying?

[Perndog]

I really like that last question. But I'm sure some uber-liberal is going to think of a perfectly reasonable justification. Right.

[AChimp]

Why the hell would Barnes take his call, or atleast tell him to piss off after hearing the sarcastic question.

They don't talk to the Pope. They might get through to some high ranking bishop if they are lucky and get their hands on a good number, but its not like they are tapped into JP2's hotline.

Yep, because Barnes is the super celebrity of the world, just like the Pope, and he has dozens of levels of office secretaries in his own home that screen his phone calls. It's not even remotely possible that he hauls his own ass off of his Corinthian leather couch to answer his own phone at home.

He wasn't aware of it. He then found out it appeared in a best seller from about 3 years ago.

And why is it when Moore writes a response, he is valiantly defending himself against losers and nutjobs with nothing better to do than criticize him, but Barnes is just whining and crying?

Oh, but I thought that Barnes had a secret phone number and lived in an underground cave and had armies of lawyers combing the media for references to him! If he didn't find out about it for TEN YEARS, then it must not have made very many waves at the time, huh?

And when it shows up in a best-selling book? You issue a single statement of denial, end of story. You don't go parading yourself around and write pieces of your own to attack back with, because all you're doing is lending credence to Moore's position. That's what whining and crying about it is.

Seriously, the people that Moore criticizes need to hire better PR agents.

[El Blanco]

Originally Posted by AChimp

Yep, because Barnes is the super celebrity of the world, just like the Pope, and he has dozens of levels of office secretaries in his own home that screen his phone calls. It's not even remotely possible that he hauls his own ass off of his Corinthian leather couch to answer his own phone at home.

I said nothing like that. Nothing. Give it up.

It is completly reasonable for Barnes to have a secretary at work and have an unlisted phone number at home.

Maybe he went to Barnes' press agent. Then the PA, would atleast give Barnes a heads up as to who was about to call.

Oh, but I thought that Barnes had a secret phone number and lived in an underground cave and had armies of lawyers combing the media for references to him!

No, in fact that is quite the opposite of my point. You are taking what I said and tried to twist it into something completly different. I guess Moore does have an affect on the youth of today.

If he didn't find out about it for TEN YEARS, then it must not have made very many waves at the time, huh?

It was about a paragraph in "Stupid White Men". If Barnes has no intrest in the book, and he hangs with other people who feel the same, it isn't hard to see how it escaped his notice for the last 2 1/2 years.

And when it shows up in a best-selling book? You issue a single statement of denial, end of story.

which he has done

You don't go parading yourself around and write pieces of your own to attack back with, because all you're doing is lending credence to Moore's position.

Good thing that isn't what he did. Moore has spent a greater amount of time on this whole ugliness than Barnes.

Seriously, the people that Moore criticizes need to hire better PR agents.

Maybe Moore needs to find a smarter demographic. But then again, he'd go broke.

[mburbank]

Simply; one of them is lying.

I don't see a way to determine which one. Both scenarios strike me as plausible. The 'burden of proof' doesn't apply here, no one is on trial. It's a small issue. I think anyone who believes it's clear which one of them is lieing (or stretching, or forgetting) is being silly.

I want Moore to be telling the truth, I want him to be right, I'm on Moores side, but that doesn't mean I can't see perfectly clearly that this is just one persons word against another.

Each one is basically saying the other is jerk, a hypocrite and a liar. Does it come as any surprise that each of them would think that about the other?

[El Blanco]

Would it shock you if they were both right?

[mburbank]

Moore says he interviewed him by phone. Barnes says he's never spoken to Moore. On that part at least, one of them is wrong.

[El Blanco]

I meant in regards to this

Each one is basically saying the other is jerk, a hypocrite and a liar.

[AChimp]

Maybe Moore talked to Barne' wife!