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Old Sep 5th, 2003, 11:43 AM       
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Also, I can't believe I missed this:

He wants to live in France because it is safer for his kids?

"Hi, Johnny? This is Roman Polanski. I was wondering if you needed a babysitter tonight."
Very nice!

Other celebrities that need to STFU or "From The Takes One To Know One" Files:

Hillary Clinton accusing Bush of breaking promises (i.e. LYING) to keep AmeriCorps going. Since when do former presidential families bad mouth current administrations? I'm not a Bush lover but come on Billary, get some class!
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Old Sep 5th, 2003, 11:52 AM       
I love how she keeps blowing up over the supposed cover ups and such.

Hey, Hil, remember Whitewater? Vince Foster ring a bell?
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Old Sep 5th, 2003, 03:53 PM       
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I'm not a Bush lover but come on Billary, get some class!
yeah that was scathing, Smelly Gay-os (LOL GET IT CAUSE YOU CAME UP WITH THAT CLEVER NAME FOR JIXBY THAT WASN'T CLEVER! GET IT!).
Now finish up with a joke about how Ross Perot is short you unfunny cock.


YOU WISH YOU WERE MARK RUSSELL, THAT'S HOW NOT FUNNY YOU ARE
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 11:06 AM       
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 11:32 AM       
i wasn't aware that hillary clinton was a "celebrity." it was my understanding that she is a senator, and the former first lady of the united states of america.

i'm thinking that as a SENATOR, it's part of her job to speak up for/against the current administration.

i could be wrong though.
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 11:39 AM       
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\Ce*leb"ri*ty\, n.; pl. Celebrities. [L. celebritas: cf. F. c['e]l['e]brit['e].] 1. Celebration; solemnization. [Obs.]

The celebrity of the marriage. --Bacon.

2. The state or condition of being celebrated; fame; renown; as, the celebrity of Washington.

An event of great celebrity in the history of astronomy. --Whewell.

3. A person of distinction or renown; -- usually in the plural; as, he is one of the celebrities of the place.
I'd say it fits whether a person is in the arts or politics, wouldn't you? Anyway, she's not my senator and my disrespect for her increases daily.

My point was that I don't remember any persons from previous administrations bad mouthing current administrations. Think about it. Do you? It's just in poor taste especially as it was an agreement that was or was not made THEN. If she has a problem with what is CURRENTLY happening to the program, then she should address THOSE issues and not dig up old bones.
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 01:02 PM       
And besides, she became a Senator because she was famous, not because she actually did anything.
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 01:33 PM       
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And besides, she became a Senator because she was famous, not because she actually did anything.
Yeah, she really started a new trend here.

Hillary was the president's wife. ENOUGH with the whole "clebrities, or er, people from past administrations shouldn't talk...ever." If that were the case, I'd be the first to gag Elizabeth Dole....

Glowbelly is right. She is a United States Senator. This is her job, regardless of her own motivations. There is a big difference between her and Johnny Depp.
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 08:11 PM       
Its not her motivations( well a little) it is her qualifications.

SHE ISN'T EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED STATE SHE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT!

Sonny Bono was at least from the Palm Springs area.
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 08:20 PM       
Yeah, but he ALSO married Cher, so I don't see why people thought he was smart enough to be a congressman.
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Old Sep 6th, 2003, 08:41 PM       
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Its not her motivations( well a little) it is her qualifications.

SHE ISN'T EVEN FROM THE GODDAMNED STATE SHE CLAIMS TO REPRESENT!
Again, no obvious trend being set here....

And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one), she is/was an attorney, and is fairly well versed in politics and the law (whether or not you agree with her politics, or her interpretive skills). Again, no comparison between her and Depp, OR Sonny Bono.

And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues. She had to do this, otherwise she might not have won, particularly the typically conservative votes she pulled in the North Country.

I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio. New York is a perty big state, and I'm willing to bet the needs of his constituency differed quite greatly from those in my home county of Orange, and even greater from those in places such as Plattsburgh, Saratoga, and Macena.
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Old Sep 7th, 2003, 03:01 AM       
I hate anybody with opinions on anything.

Thats what i think.
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Old Sep 7th, 2003, 04:20 AM       
Depp probably gets his opinion from Hunter Thompson. 'America is a dumb puppy' is something Thompson would say, afterall they are close friends.
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Old Sep 7th, 2003, 08:00 PM       
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And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one),
So what? Seriously, how does that qualify her for a damn thing? We all know what Bill got away with under her nose.

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Mediocre at best. A friend of mine is in the Army reserves and is under the command of a general who was at her old firm. He said he has no idea how that woman became a lawyer. Apparently she wasn't that good at that, either.

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Just look at her shining record with Whitewater and healthcare. Thats well versed?

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And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues
Larry Flint is more qualified in California than she is here.

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I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio.
she wasn't going up against anyone when she started. The only strong Republican in NY was Guiliani, and most people thought he was going to wait out his term before running for Senate. And Lazio would have had a better chance had Rudy dropped out earlier.

Face it, the only reason she got as far as she has is because she latched onto the penis that stumbled its way into the White House.
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Old Sep 8th, 2003, 11:50 AM       
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I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio. New York is a perty big state, and I'm willing to bet the needs of his constituency differed quite greatly from those in my home county of Orange, and even greater from those in places such as Plattsburgh, Saratoga, and Macena.
She basically seems to have ridden on her husband's coat tails and, from what I've seen of recents polls, I'LL BET she doesn't get re-elected. Anyway, my main point wasn't that she has the right/duty, as a senator, to address issues about certain programs. My main point was that her comments amounted to more of a personal attack which is mainly "her word against his" mudslinging" and really has nothing to do with the content of said program which, by the way, HAS been expanded ... perhaps not as much as Hillary would have like but it has.
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Old Sep 8th, 2003, 12:50 PM       
Let's get back to the issue at hand here.

Johnny Depp is cool.
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Old Sep 8th, 2003, 07:13 PM       
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And as for her qualifications, she has been the wife of a governor and a president (better credentials than Elizabeth Dole for one),
So what? Seriously, how does that qualify her for a damn thing? We all know what Bill got away with under her nose.
How is his infidelity relevant at all...? I mean, I know folks on the Right have this exaggerated hatred for the Clintons, but come on.

The crux of this entire thread was celebrities, and the merit that should be given to their opinions. Hilary has had an active role in the positions her husband held, and whether you like her or not, she knows politics. She isn't Johnny Depp, she isn't Sonny Bono, she is a democratically elected official for the people of NYS. It's her JOB to speak up against executive policies, and any further comparisons to people like Bono or Depp should just be dismissed.

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Mediocre at best. A friend of mine is in the Army reserves and is under the command of a general who was at her old firm. He said he has no idea how that woman became a lawyer. Apparently she wasn't that good at that, either.
Yeah, and my state and local government teacher was the lawyer for Jake Gunther. Apparently he was a great guy (R.I.P.). Who cares what people say? Have you (or I, for that matter) passed the bar? Was your buddy elected by thousands of New Yorkers? Again, the excuses and comparisons are lame, and really just reveal a slightly creepy obsession with the Clintons....

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Just look at her shining record with Whitewater and healthcare. Thats well versed?
If you mean her (formerly) being a proponent of a nationalized system, I fail to see your point. I realize conservatives tend to be the self-appointed experts on public policy, but it seems to work for other industrialized nations, and President Bush's recent strides in medicare coverage show that even he sees the need for a more interventionist policy in healthcare.

Whitewater: As far as scandals go, the Bushs, Reagans, and Nixons of the nation had and have their fair share of them, and nobody is bringing their free speech credibility into question.


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And back to her not being from the state, I'm fairly certain that before she ran she had a team of experts, pollsters, and fellow elected officials bring her up to speed on NY politics and issues
Larry Flint is more qualified in California than she is here.
Was Bobby Kennedy inept at his elected position...?

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I'm willing to bet that she knew just as much, perhaps even more, than that jackass from Long Island Rick Lazio.
she wasn't going up against anyone when she started. The only strong Republican in NY was Guiliani, and most people thought he was going to wait out his term before running for Senate. And Lazio would have had a better chance had Rudy dropped out earlier.
Please. Giuliani and Lazio are both New Yorkers, which according to your logic should've been enough. Lazio outspent her by roughly $10 million, and he and Giuliani collectively spent roughly $60 million to try to beat her. Lazio was incompetent, and a bad candidate, period.

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Face it, the only reason she got as far as she has is because she latched onto the penis that stumbled its way into the White House.
Maybe, but that's often the case with politics. Fame and association often takes priority over intelligence, leadership skills, and management ability. Again, so what? Where's the precedent being set??
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Old Sep 9th, 2003, 10:57 AM       
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