Nov 2nd, 2005, 05:23 PM
"Perhaps what you call "karma" has no discernable effect at all or becomes a plot outside the graph in those higher levels"
Anybody who I've ever known who actually knows anything about karma or the way the world works would refer to karma as "Cause and effect". Whether it has a 'discernable effect' or not, it's there. Karma's sort of the complete(all the lies and truths, everything that has happened) history of the world, coalesced into a human concept that what happens in the future can be changed today(and of course that the past influences today, and thus the future). I think it's simple, most people find that hard for some reason.
Karma almost argues against freewill because it essentially states that you are a collection of everything that has happened to you, and to the world(because despite what happened to you, the world happened to you first). There's considered to be multiple levels of karma, blood karma(family), national, self and I guess universal if you want to get down to it. That means all the stigma your family (what kind of people they are, what religion they are, what kind of choices they make, their knowledge) and nation(same as family but with it's own variables) have gained, all the hate, all the good, all the bad, all the whatever is within you and forms your personality.
When you become enlightened(stipossidely) you disconnect from your karma, your karma becomes zero. Essentially, you go against your history, what you SHOULD believe and how you SHOULD act(according to the various karmas you have collected) become a non-issue, and you become capable of making your own decisions based on looking at the world without the dirty taint of your karma. Maybe we are capable of freewill, but not everyone has it? In that instance, freewill would be considered a self-freemasonry(the freedom to make yourself free, or the freedom to bind yourself, i spose), or masonry of the world and universe; essentially, will to power and will to manifestation. Will that is outside of your "Self" as you were born, will within your true self that is outside of the human drama(being within the human drama is being influenced by another, and thus your choices are limited). It's sort of like a freedom outside of sociological restraints.
I can still find flaws in that, though. For example, your karma still brought you to the point that you could become free of it all. But maybe that is more of a breaking point, creation unbridled or something. The big bang inside your underpants.
Is that easy to understand?
As for the big bang happening over and over again, that's what i was indicating(all the infinitey stuff, from bliss to futility) except I like to throw in some kind of romantic conceptualism that gives the neverending story a saga like feel. it essentially boils down to various forms of gravity, conceptual and idealogical.
In the end, maybe people choose to be ignorant and incapable of experiencing freewill. If everything is absolutely eternal and infinite, than everyone and everything has already been both an ascended master and a piece of shit-- possibly even simotaneously-- an infinite amount of times. Maybe the universe as a whole is the only thing that has freewill, and we are both it's unwitting bitch and the pieces that make it whole.
How much freedom can you really have within something that doesn't exist, though?