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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:50 PM        Nazi Appeasement
Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and the Destabilization of California
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman

George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.
Together, they have destabilized California and are on the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to America's largest state, lining it up for the 2004 election.
The Bush family ties to the Nazi party are well known. In their 1994 Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons and John Loftus use official US documents to establish that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush's maternal great-grandfather, was one of Hitler's most important early backers. He funneled money to the rising young fascist through the Union Banking Corporation.
In 1926, Walker arranged to have his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush---father of President George Bush I, grandfather of George Bush II---hired as Vice President at W.A. Harriman and Company. Prescott became a senior partner when Harriman merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers Harriman. In 1934 Prescott Bush joined the Board of Directors of Union Banking.
The bank helped Hitler rise to power. It also helped him wage war. As late as July 31, 1941---well after the Nazi invasion of Poland---the U.S. government froze $3 million in Union Banking assets linked to Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was noted in the American press as a "German industrialist and original backer of Adolph Hitler."
Loftus writes that Thyssen's "American friends in New York City [were] Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker, the father and father-in-law of a future President of the United States." That would be the current president's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, also the former CIA director.
On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi Germany's banking operations in New York City, which were under the direction of Prescott Bush. The government seized control of Union Banking Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The liquidation yielded a reported $750,000 apiece for Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker. The book, The Splendid Blonde Beast: Money, Law and Genocide, goes into exhaustive detail on Bush-Harriman Nazi money laundering. More recently, Michael Kranish covers the same Bush-Nazi relationships in The Rise of the Bush Family Dynasty published in the Boston Globe. Loftus documents that "Prescott Bush knowingly served as a money launderer for the Nazis. Remember that Union Bank's books and accounts were frozen by the U.S. Alien Property Custodian in 1942 and not released back to the Bush family until 1951."
Often ignored are the Bush family's post-World War II dealings with former Nazis. John Foster Dulles, who had worked with the Bush family in the Harriman Company in laundering money for Nazi Germany, was Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of State. His brother Allen became CIA director.
As Martin Lee documents in The Beast Reawakens, American intelligence recruited numerous top Nazis to spy on the Soviets during the Cold War. Many established connections to the Bush family that had helped finance their original rise to power. In 1988 Project Censored, in its top award, noted "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988." Investigative reporter Russ Bellant established ties between the Republican Party and former Axis Nazis and fascists.
In 2000 and 2001 the Columbus Alive published a series of articles documenting further links between Bush, Sr. and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his own fascist networks in Japan and Korea.
Karl Rove has parallel ties. The shadowy Rove serves as "Bush's Brain" in the current White House. He is the political mastermind behind the California coup, and is now in the headlines for outing Valerie Plame, the CIA wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. A consummate strategist, Rove may have outed Plame in retaliation for Wilson's failure to back up the Bush claim that Saddam Hussein was buying nuclear weapons materials in Africa. According to some published reports, as many as seventy CIA operatives have been put at risk by Rove's retaliatory strike.
According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin (www.almartinraw.com), Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.
Rove, who has been based in Utah and associated with the Mormon Church, is widely viewed as the chief engineer of the current Bush administration. He and Tom DeLay are attempting to force the Texas legislature to redistrict its Congressional delegations, adding seven sure seats to the Republican column. By controlling the state houses in New York, Florida, Texas and California, the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, and thus the ability to manipulate vote counts and strip voter registration rolls in the run-up to the 2004 election.
Rove is a prime behind-the-scenes mover in the Schwarzenegger campaign. On May 1, 1939, a year after the Nazis took control of Schwarzenegger's native Austria, his father Gustav, voluntarily joined Hilter's infamous Strumabteilung (SA), "brown shirt" stormtroopers. This was just six months after the brown shirts played a key role in the bloody Kristallnacht attacks on Germany's Jewish community.
The Vienna daily Der Standard noted recently that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face." Arnold's father favored a Hitler-style mustache in photos.
On October 3, ABC News broke the story of Schwarzenegger's 1977 interview in which he was asked whom he admired. Schwarzenegger replied, "I admire Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."
To cover himself, Schwarzenegger has made substantial donations to the Los Angeles-based Wiesenthal Center, which tracks down ex-Nazis. Arnold has also renounced Hitler.
But he has not renounced his friendship with fellow Austrian Kurt Waldheim, the one-time head of the United Nations with known Nazi ties. The book Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography, documents Arnold toasting Waldheim, who had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II, at his wedding to Maria Shriver. "My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy," Arnold said. "But I love him and Maria does to, and so thank you, Kurt."
On May 17, 2001, Schwarzenegger also met with Kenneth "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles. Through the utility deregulation plan signed into law by Pete Wilson, Schwarzenegger's chief advisor, California was destabilized, bankrupting the state government and opening the door for Tuesday's recall election. Lay has been George W. Bush's chief financial backer, and a close associate of Karl Rove's. According to Bob Woodward's Bush at War, Bush attended a New York Yankees game soon after the September 11 World Trade Center disaster. He wore a fireman's jacket. As he threw out the first pitch, the crowd roared. Thousands of fans stuck out their arms with thumbs up. Karl Rove, sitting in the box of Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, likened the roar of the crowd to "a Nazi rally." He would know.
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Old May 16th, 2008, 12:51 PM       
1934: The Plot Against America

By Scott Horton
Iím back from the land of heather and thistles, not to mention wee drams and lukewarm ale, but on my way out a friend at the BBC alerted me to this, a not-to-miss program on the BBC this morning, accessible over the next several days by internet. Itís the story of the Plot Against America. I donít mean the Philip Roth novel, nor even the Sinclair Lewis book, It Canít Happen Here, but rather the historical events upon which these two works of fiction were based.
In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Rothís novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.
The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.
Prescott Bush, of course, went on to service as a U.S. Senator from Connecticut, and his son, George H.W. Bush emerged from World War II as a hero.
The Plot Against America portrayed in this episode of the BBC series ďDocumentĒ gives fascinating insight into a dark and little known piece of American history in which the nation stood on the brink of betrayal. The role of the most powerful political dynastic family in the nationís history in this whole affair is shocking.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651
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Old May 18th, 2008, 02:19 PM       
Geggy, I read through your posts and they're only interesting half the time. Could you put a warning on the sillier crap, or maybe bulletpoint/highlight the important aspects of the articles as you read them? It would make people, uh... me, more likely to read everything you post, as well as giving an insight into your opinions on the matter. You rarely do state your opinions, you know?
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Old May 18th, 2008, 04:19 PM       
The problem with your suggestion is he doesn't actually read the articles he posts.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 04:43 AM       
Don't listen to 'em Geggy, your posts are awesome and frightening all at once. still don't get why El Blanco has a hate on for you though.

as laughable as the nazi connection is it's sadly but probally true. it wouldn't be the worst thing those guys did.


no, not the nazis, the hard core republicans


yuck to the whole situation.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 07:27 AM       
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Geggy, I read through your posts and they're only interesting half the time. Could you put a warning on the sillier crap, or maybe bulletpoint/highlight the important aspects of the articles as you read them? It would make people, uh... me, more likely to read everything you post, as well as giving an insight into your opinions on the matter. You rarely do state your opinions, you know?
Do you think they are silly crap because you don't want it to be true? Can you prove that they aren't true? How do you even know they aren't true?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if GWB took up what his grandfather had left and failed to do. The pattern of power grabbing by both the germany nazi and the bush administration are eerily similiar, starting with playing the anti-communist/anti-terrorist card as a blanket to justify the creation and the expansion of power. Then you got the whole enabling act/patriot act and the homeland security thing.

I see blanco being an idiot again.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 01:17 PM       
Woah boy, just because something is silly & crap doesn't make it a lie.

Anyway, the burden of prove is on you not me, I'm the audience.

I asked that you explain your ideas better than just posting long articles that go no where in telling me why they matter.

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if GWB took up what his grandfather had left and failed to do. The pattern of power grabbing by both the germany nazi and the bush administration are eerily similiar, starting with playing the anti-communist/anti-terrorist card as a blanket to justify the creation and the expansion of power. Then you got the whole enabling act/patriot act and the homeland security thing.
This is better. I would like a little something like this from you every time you post. It actually tells me what you think.

As for it's content; I do see parallels between recent history & the article's uncitationed, suggested history, but I don't agree with the concept of the children being guilty of the sins of the father. Nor do I think Dubya capable of such planning as I buy the media portrayal of him being a buffoon.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 05:38 PM       
Dosn't it seem like the bush administration rehashes old plans? even if they failed the first time around?
and if someone notices the similarites, they're crazy for noticing?

I'm pretty sure ol' GW gots a case of monkeysee monkeydo
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Old May 20th, 2008, 12:33 AM       
you know, there was a political scientist that actually looked in to the similarities between chimpanzee and human facial expressions and how they represent certain types of attitudes or something, like fear and evasion or reassurance and so forth. He used pictures of Reagen, but it was a serious book actually.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 09:18 AM       
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Dosn't it seem like the bush administration rehashes old plans? even if they failed the first time around?
and if someone notices the similarites, they're crazy for noticing?

I'm pretty sure ol' GW gots a case of monkeysee monkeydo
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Old May 20th, 2008, 04:06 PM       
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you know, there was a political scientist that actually looked in to the similarities between chimpanzee and human facial expressions and how they represent certain types of attitudes or something, like fear and evasion or reassurance and so forth. He used pictures of Reagen, but it was a serious book actually.
That could be interesting. I'd like to see what he thinks about smiling. I know animals to it as a warning because they are afraid, but we Americans do it to deceive.
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