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derrida · #26

What about graffiti? Most people would consider it art, but it's still vandalism!

Are billboards vandalism?

I think vandalism can be a good thing.

Perndog · #27

Vandalism is the destruction, defacement, or devaluing of another person's property. If it's not yours and you fuck with it, you're a vandal and you deserve a beating.

The only way billboards could possibly considered a form of vandalism is if you think the ground they are placed on is the universal property of mankind, and if you believe that you also deserve a beating.

derrida · #28

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Originally Posted by Perndog

The only way billboards could possibly considered a form of vandalism is if you think the ground they are placed on is the universal property of mankind, and if you believe that you also deserve a beating.

Which is no less absurd than the belief that the ground rightfully belongs to those people with sufficient quantities of guns and slips of green paper...

PLEASE FUCKING BEAT US

Perndog · #29

I find it absurd that you believe you own your car just because you had sufficient slips of paper to trade for it. Therefore, it is okay for me to steal your car.

Emu · #30

I think those people should be beaten for wearing those costumes.

Perndog · #31

Yeah, I kinda thought that too.

The One and Only... · #32

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Originally Posted by derrida

I think vandalism can be a good thing.

Subjective value statement.

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Originally Posted by derrida

Which is no less absurd than the belief that the ground rightfully belongs to those people with sufficient quantities of guns and slips of green paper...

Which is not an absurd belief.

Perndog · #33

Well he did say "no less," meaning his belief could be considerably more absurd than that one.

Zebra 3 · #34

- I've been aware of so-call "Peak Oil" as far back as 1983, ya fuckin' drama queen!

- Anyways, check out a company that made hydrogen powered vehicles into a reality, Ballard.com.

Perndog · #35

DAMN IT, HYDROGEN POWER DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS! HYDROGEN IS NOT A FUCKING ENERGY SOURCE!

The One and Only... · #36

Yeah... I never really understood where that misconception came from in the first place...

The hydrogen still needs to be seperated by electrical pulses, generated by (TA-DA!!!) oil.

Hydrogen cars are like a tax on environmentalists that don't know any better.

DamnthatDavid · #37

Hydrogen, yes, takes energy to make, but not as much as you think.

It will be cheaper, and use less oil (For the Power Plants) to power one hydrogen car for a year, then a standard gasoline powered auto.
Oh fucking well, they have to built 1 more powerplant dedicated to powering a hydrogen plant. That one Power Plant will still use less oil then it would take to keep a local populace driving around in Gasoline gars.

Hydrogen is not the final solution, but it a step forward. Until we discover a abundent energy source, we will just have to cut back on the fuel consumption. Thermal Energy is the way to go.

Perndog · #38

Okay, I guess I need another all caps post.

THE ISSUE ALSO DOESN'T HINGE ON THE CARS PEOPLE DRIVE, BECAUSE OIL IS USED FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, TOO. QUIT FUCKING BRINGING UP CARS IN A THREAD ABOUT A POSSIBLE WORLDWIDE ENERGY CRISIS.

DamnthatDavid · #39

The fucking biggest drain on the worlds oil supply IS VEHICLES.
We have enough clean energy resources scattered around that we could make the remaining oil reserves last 10 times longer. IF we do something about automobiles.

Look at Japan, if they fucking switched to Hydrogen cars, they will be totally independent of oil as an energy source. They all fucking powered by Nuclear Energy right now. Sure, the nukes won't last forever, but they will fucking last long enough for us to come up with something new.

Perndog · #40

Okay, look at it this way. 60% of oil consunption in the US is for transportation. The best estimates put final energy output of hydrogen fuel cells at twice that of gasoline, cutting consumption by transportation in half and reducing the total consumption of the US by 30%, while it rises every year and will probably make up for that 30% in a decade or less.

See the problem?

DamnthatDavid · #41

Yes, I see the problem, but you can not just suddenly cut off oil. You need to ease it off, transition like. The next step would be Hydrogen, Hybrids And it will last maybe 50 years before:
A: They find a renewable energy source to replace oil. (I going for thermal)
B: We all die in a nuclear war over the last remaining oil fields.

I still think the half in oil need is off a bit. Most hydroelectric dams don't run at full capacity. I know the ones in the Northwest don't.

davinxtk · #42

On the subject of vandalism:
http://www.banksy.co.uk/
http://www.stencilrevolution.com/

Perndog · #43

David, did you read about Peak Oil at all?

We're not going to run out of oil. Instead, the price of it is going to rise so it becomes impossible for us to depend on it like we do. Instead of drying up, the oil wells will just involve a lot more work and demand a lot more resources to keep running. And if predictions are true, this will happen a lot quicker than 50 years. Again, if predictions are true, there can be no "easing it off" because the crisis is already at hand.