Bad news for liberals.

[Vibecrewangel]

If psychos and utter nutjobs have nukes, the world is a more dangerous place.

I think this should be applied to the gun control issue as well. Smaller scale....same problem.

[The One and Only...]

Yes, except that even if guns were illegal, you could still get them.

And it's a right.

[Dole]

I wish you and every other clueless impotent twat who sees guns as a 'right' could be locked up in some large warehouse somewhere, where you would be free to polish and slobber over your phallic substitutes and gradually shoot each other, and those that werent shot would eventually drown in the mounting sea of decomposing burger-blubber that would spew forth from your rancid corpses

[VinceZeb]

Dole, we don't have to see gun possession as a right. The 2nd Amendment does that just fine.

There are some other places that don't believe in gun rights. China, for example.... real nice place that is.

[FS]

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

Yes, except that even if guns were illegal, you could still get them.

As opposed to nukes, right?

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

And it's a right.

I realize the (cultural) arguement over the pros and cons of gun ownership is pointless, but "it's a right" is such an empty defense. There do exist stupid laws.

Ah, I wonder if one day, when we're all old and gray and working in the Martian tin mines because our socialist utopia softened us to the point where we were incapable of fighting off the alien oppressor, Vince will still be contesting that invading Iraq was illegitimate because now WMDs have yet been found.

[The One and Only...]

Yes, and there's always the fact that if you really wanted those guns, you could get them. I'm sure there would be a large criminal market. It needs to be said twice.

Comparing them to nukes is idiocy. Nukes are bigger (no stopping by and putting it in your jacket), more expensive (I trust you understand this), only accessable by a few (as opposed to guns, even if they were illegal), and more dangerous. All you need to get illegal guns is to pay a visit to the corrupt cop and pay some cash. To get nukes, you have to do a lot more.

I would never get rid of my guns. You'd have to kill me first. Anyone who would get rid of their weapon just because the law tells them too doesn't deserve to have them.

BTW: The next time you say "it's a right" is such a weak argument, I hope someone shoots you. Hey, the right to life is just such a weak argument, right?

[VinceZeb]

Those who trade freedom for security don't deserve either one and blah blah blah....

[pjalne]

Originally Posted by VinceZeb

There are some other places that don't believe in gun rights. China, for example.... real nice place that is.

You know, China isn't the only country in the world that doesn't believe in the right to own a gun. You know, like entire Scandinavia. Where the crime rate is pretty fucking low compared to the US.

I'm not saying that the number of guns in a society is directly connected to the crime rate, I'm just saying that you're a fucking moron.

[FS]

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

Yes, and there's always the fact that if you really wanted those guns, you could get them. I'm sure there would be a large criminal market. It needs to be said twice.

Never mind, I thought that when you said "Yes, except that even if guns were illegal, you could still get them." you meant that in direct response to "If psychos and utter nutjobs have nukes, the world is a more dangerous place."

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

I would never get rid of my guns. You'd have to kill me first. Anyone who would get rid of their weapon just because the law tells them too doesn't deserve to have them.

BTW: The next time you say "it's a right" is such a weak argument, I hope someone shoots you. Hey, the right to life is just such a weak argument, right?

I'm not telling you to get rid of your guns. Though as a foreign bystander I'm a little disturbed by your instant hostility. I'm not trying to disarm you so I can better kill you in your sleep. Neither is anyone in the US who disagrees with the public right to own anything that ranks below a backyard SAM battery.

As for me getting shot, there's a very small chance of that happening because guns aren't that easy to get in my country. And few criminals actually have them - most of them that do tend to use them on other criminals.

Like I said, it's a cultural difference. I can never understand what it would be like to live in a society where everyone can own a gun, and I suppose you can never feel safe in a society where nobody can own a gun (legally).

[Dole]

You can't legally own a gun in the UK either. And guess what? our gun crime is proportionately much, much, MUCH lower than that of the states.

If all you can get passionate about is the right to bear arms you must have a pretty paranoid, self-obsessed empty existence.

Like I said, if all the idiot wank-fantasists who own these phalluses just got on with shooting each other the rest of the world wouldn't have to listen to their neanderthal crap anymore.

[The One and Only...]

Originally Posted by Dole

You can't legally own a gun in the UK either. And guess what? our gun crime is proportionately much, much, MUCH lower than that of the states.

http://www.thepublicinterest.com/arc.../article3.html

It doesn't matter if you ban guns. People will still get killed. All that it means is it will be done by another manner, or that a hearty underground gun-selling black market will thrive. Personally, I'd rather have a chance against the big, hulking punk who's going to knife me.

So please, shut up, and check your facts. Gun crime may be better, but your overall violent crime rate is suffering. Yours = climbing. Ours = descending. You do the math.

[VinceZeb]

The One and Only, I can't leave you here to take the barrage of liberal idiocy about the gun laws.

Dole, you are in every sence of the word a liberal stooge. London has a high crime rate. You can do a google search and find NUMEROUS articles about it. Just because someone can't get a gun legally does not mean they will get a hold of it. Drugs are illegal. People still get it.

If citizens are allows to carry guns and are well-versed in the careful usage and responsability that is endowed on the gun owner, crime will decrease. It's that easy.

A country without guns is a country that is easily taken over. I'm sure Mao couldn't have murdered, raped, and starved tens of millions if the people could stand up with weapons. Oh wait, assholes like you think guns are nothing but some phallistic wet-dream that guys like Ted Nugent spend every walking moment thinking about.

That is why your stupid ass country lost against a bunch of farmers with guns. TWICE. We care(d) about our life and liberty. You care about security. You are a dumbfuck.

[mburbank]

"Pahllistic"

[Dole]

So who exactly have your guns been defending you against in the US lately? Did they stop 9/11? Are there are armies of maurading foreigners walking around your suburbs that your guns are protecting you against? Or perhaps all the gun crime in your country is your citizens shooting each other.....how delightful.

Vince: if you can happily equate christianity (and all the other right-wing crap you believe) and gun ownership, you are barking fucking mad.

I didnt say there wasn't crime in my country did I? I said we have proportionately far less gun crime in my country than yours which is true. Call me liberal but I would rather be beaten up than shot any day of the week.
You only have to say 'guns' to a NRA-type American and they start gnashing their teeth and frothing at the mouth....like I said before if thats one of the only kind of issues you can get all up in a lather about, I pity you.
Insult me all you want, I am just SO fucking glad that I am surrounded by people who at least have a FOOTHOLD in the real world, and not some narcissistic paranoiac fantasy world that people like vince and one and only live in. If I had to deal with people like you and the Nazi crap you come out with on a daily basis, I would be first in the queue at my local blackmarket gun merchants.
Hope you die real soon

[VinceZeb]

I have firearms. I have them because I used to hunt. I have them to protect my family and myself from invasion or harm. I have guns because I am an American.

You are a prissy British wuss who would faint like a fat kid after a 5 mile run if someone broke into your home. You would call the cops. The cops would arrive after the crook is gone and has all your stuff.

The crook in my house would be incapacitated or dead due to my firearm.

[sspadowsky]

Yeah, how was it again that you defended your family against a criminal using a firearm? Please note that vivid dreams do not count as actual events.

You are a prissy British wuss who would faint like a fat kid after a 5 mile run

He might break out in hives too. You never know.

[mburbank]

And so we return once more to the TOP SECRET story of how Vinth defended his 'Family' with a 'weapon'.

I hope it was 'phallistic'.

One question, Vinthy. If you own gun because you are an merican, is this something you view as , I don't know, a requirement of citizenship? Can you be American and not own a gun?

Oh, and thanks for protecting me against invasion. It's been a real issue. I am comforted by knowing how maany people end up being killed with their own guns.

[Dole]

I picture Vince at night, dick in one hand, gun in the other, PRAYING for a burglar to break in

[Zero Signal]

Vinth said that a family consists of a wife and kids ("Families are begun when children are created."). So does this mean that he is actually spreading his defective genes?

Or does it mean that he is still living at home with his parents.

[El Blanco]

You can't legally own a gun in the UK either. And guess what? our gun crime is proportionately much, much, MUCH lower than that of the states.

Youtake stats differently. Its only considered a gun crime if the criminal is charged with weapon possesion. HE can plead that away and it doesn't get counted.

In the US our FBI counts the guns that are withing a five mile radius.

And what is your crime rate compare to Switzerland, where everyone has an assault rifle in their closet?

If all you can get passionate about is the right to bear arms you must have a pretty paranoid, self-obsessed empty existence.

How so? Would you say that about freedom of speech?

Like I said, if all the idiot wank-fantasists who own these phalluses

What is it with the gun control nuts and the penis? Why do you always bring that up? I don't think you can say the pro-gun people have an obsession with it.

shooting each other the rest of the world wouldn't have to listen to their neanderthal crap anymore.

Ya, you can just sit back and let the invaders tell you what you are gonna take.

[AChimp]

And what is your crime rate compare to Switzerland, where everyone has an assault rifle in their closet?

Military service is mandatory in Switzerland, dumbass. There is a difference between having a gun because I have to and having a gun just because I want to.

[Big Papa Goat]

A country without guns is a country that is easily taken over. I'm sure Mao couldn't have murdered, raped, and starved tens of millions if the people could stand up with weapons. Oh wait, assholes like you think guns are nothing but some phallistic wet-dream that guys like Ted Nugent spend every walking moment thinking about.

So lets say that communists took over the American government, and some Mao-like figure tried to rape murder and starve tens of millions of people. Do you think that Americans would be able to 'rise up' against the government just because they have a couple of pansy ass rifles? And your other comment about China, not having the right to bear arms and being such a bad place. I'm very sure there is a family of Chinese peasants thinking somewhere:
"You know, we barely have the basic neccesities for living, and we can't speak out against the government that is constantly screwing with our livliehood, but if we just were able to shoot a few pheasents once in a while, we'd be happy."

[El Blanco]

So, my having a .38 and learning how to properly use it is worse than my keeping a Steyr Aug how?

[El Blanco]

Do you think that Americans would be able to 'rise up' against the government just because they have a couple of pansy ass rifles?

Yes, because our military is part of the citizenry and not some elite social class. It would be a lot more difficult for them to turn on us.

And your other comment about China, not having the right to bear arms and being such a bad place. I'm very sure there is a family of Chinese peasants thinking somewhere:
"You know, we barely have the basic neccesities for living, and we can't speak out against the government that is constantly screwing with our livliehood, but if we just were able to shoot a few pheasents once in a while, we'd be happy."

No, probably not. But, I bet if they were able to defend themselves before the tyranny kicked in, they wouldn't have those other problems.

[AChimp]

Yes, because our military is part of the citizenry and not some elite social class. It would be a lot more difficult for them to turn on us.

Dude, you didn't contribute a single thing to your argument with that statement.

"So how would the citizens defend against the government with a couple of rifles?"
"Duh... the military is the citizens."

Well no shit. I thought the U.S. army was made up of foreign nationals all this time. So why does the average citizen need a gun when the army is made up of the average citizen, and therefore they already have access to all the guns they need?