Justification

I recently received an email from a rare person who was willing to argue in a CIVIL manner instead of saying "You Suck!" like many of the messages I get, and I feel that anybody who is willing to argue in a civil manner with me deserves a good response. I enjoyed it quite a bit, and I thought I would share his message to me and my response to him with all of you. First we have the email he sent me. Afterwards, you will see what I wrote back to him. Enjoy.

(username) X Mike X
(email) cummingkj@synapse.net
(what do you think) This place is singularly personified evil!
(Comments)
Hey it's X Mike X again. About how serious you arguments are the thing is you are taking the whole sXe/vegan thing and blowing it our of proportion. The two philosophies (sXe + vegan) are fine. You're not attacking them. You're attacking people. The idea of sXe is not to do drugs, and (though this is not a must) not engage in promiscuous sex. There really is no way you can think of a legitimate argument against that. Also veganism not eating any animal products because you believe it is wrong to enslave and torture animals. There really is nothing wrong with that. But now I have a question for you. All over your page there is so much "kill cows" "meatatarian" stuff but I really don't you could walk up to a living, breathing innocent cow and slit his/her throat and watch it writhe in pain and scream while they bled to death. And then cut it open seeing it's organs spill out and blood spray on you and tear out a bloody stinking piece of you wonderful meat.!

If you can then the fact is you have a sickness and need help (no offence, really). I would love to hear back from you and hear some arguments justifying "Meat eating". X Mike X

Here's my response to Mike's good questions.

Justification Ahoy there mike, I just got yer questionnaire and will be happy to respond to it.

I'll cover these points in the order that you discussed them.

First thing was about me attacking the "people" and not the "sXe/vegan" arguments....

Well, yer half right there. The idea of straight edge, no drugs 'n promiscuous sex 'n stuff is fine. There is nothing wrong with that. I've never done any of that stuff my entire life, and that is spoken about on my website. Why? Because I haven't had the desire to. BUT, I see A LOT of falsities when it comes to people who call themselves "sXe". Almost all of the ones I've ever met go back 'n forth between sXe and non-sXe. The ones who don't, eventually develop an elitist attitude as if they're some higher form of intelligence, which is far from true. Now don't get me wrong, there are some sXe people who stay straight edge and keep it to themselves and don't act like "I'm god, you're not". Those people I have no problem with....and I have some friends that are just like that. HOWEVER, I do have a problem with the other people, and I make it a point to do the following to them on my web page:

1) Make them reconsider whether their "lifestyle" is TRULY legit or not. (AKA: whether they're living by the "rules", whatever they currently are, or whether they "bend the rules" from time to time.
2) Test their minds. If they are truly as open-minded as they say they are, then they will have NO problem with my web pages. Yet, the amount of hate/threat mail I've received from straight edgers (and vegans) would boggle your mind.
3) Make the few sXe people who DO have a sense of humor get a few chuckles about their "lifestyle".

So again, that sXe stuff is here to show the truth to the elitist, threatening, no sense 'o humor, violent, etc. sXe scenesters.... Otherwise, it's here to make people laugh.

See, when those people threaten me and do all their stupid shit, I send them LONG emails showing them how pathetic it is that they reacted that way. Lately, I'm getting more and more apology letters than ever. All these people realize how stupid they have been acting AFTER I reply to their messages. So if anything, it'll at least get them to LOOK INTO SOMETHING before they SPEAK about it.

Ok, straight edge part is now done. Onto the next area.

Veganism. In this case, I *DO* attack both the people AND the philosophy. The reason I attack the people is basically for the same reason as I do for the sXe people. Prove the elitist ones wrong.....Make the ones with a sense of humor laugh. One or the other. So that's done. As for why I attack the philosophy. I find veganism unnatural. I feel that we are omnivores, and I truly believe that. We ARE animals. And if you watch national geographic, those Tigers are pretty damned relentless and violent on them zebras. So no, I wouldn't go up to a cow and kill it. WHY? Because it is not a necessity to do so. If there was no food around, or lack of an industry that sells the prepacked/presliced/ground/etc beef, then I would indeed kill a cow. Hunting would be a different story. Killing animals for "sport" is something I find stupid. It's my opinion that if you kill it, you had better eat it. As for believing that it is wrong to "enslave" and "torture" animals (two fine vegan PR words often used)....no there's nothing wrong with believing that.....I just don't share the same belief. I do believe in survival of the fittest. On top of all this, the protein from veggies is NOT the same as that which you get from MEAT. Check out your average vegan and notice the white marks on his/her finger nails....that's protein deficiency. Not good.

I can understand if a person wants to be vegetarian, but NOT vegan. To be a TRUE vegan is impossible unless yer dead, because that is the ONLY way that one could POSSIBLY not harm animals/molecules/spores/whatever it is that vegans try to protect. Hearing vegans talking about "how do I get rid of termites from my house without killing them?" or "what kind of toothpaste is vegan?" just makes me crack up and wonder what kind of people have the time to think up concepts like that. PLUS, half of the vegan products try to COPY the TASTE of this MEAT which is supposedly "MURDER". Well, if meat is murder, I guess these vegans like the TASTE of murder....just not the idea. Sorry, I prefer beef over soy any day. And many vegans and vegetarians admit the same, even though they don't eat meat. ALSO, I've seen PLENTY of vegans/vegetarians "bend the ol' rules" and have some form of animal product. This doesn't happen as often as the sXe people bending the rules, but I do know it happens. So that's my thoughts on veganism.

To quote Rick Bayan, author of "The Cynic's Dictionary":

"Vegan - A vegetarian from another planet."

I couldn't have put it better myself.

So there ya have my justification of my beliefs. I don't expect everybody to agree with me, that would be impossible and stupid (plus i love arguing. heheh). I'm just here to make people laugh at others and even themselves (hell, i laugh at myself all the time). The only thing I'm serious about is that I'm sick of hearing preachy sxe/vegans/whatevers talking about how good they are and how bad everybody else is. If these people want some enemies....attack the REAL killers/evil in society. Go after some rapists or something, not "Joe Hamburger Eater".

Thanks again for your email Mike. It's always good to see somebody who's willing to argue in a civil manner instead of the "Fuck You! sXe/vegan FOREVER MAN! YOU SUCK!" that I get from people all the time. Hope my page brings you many laughs...and even if the sXe/vegan stuff doesn't, maybe one of the other pages here will.

Take care,
-RoG-
"I'm gonna fly you away, high above the noise and competition. I'm a man with a mission..."

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