conspiracy theories you believe

[doopa]

ok lets have em. Back them up and be specific.

[kahljorn]

I believe every conspiracy about the vatican because they are rich cocksuckers and jerks.

[kahljorn]

like that the vatican is behind the international drug trade :(

[Zhukov]

If only Alienkid were here.

Anyway, it's sort of against the rules for hard cord conspiracy believers to ever have solid proof and be able to back things up, that's why they are theories! And that's why there are so many nutters in the I Want to Believe community.

Personaly I don't realy think people landed on the moon when they said they did. It's more of a pessimistic outlook on life than it is a solid factual stance. They might have, they might not have, but I'm not going to believe it because Buzz Aldrin wont swear on the bible. >:

Another one I am interested in, but not something I believe in, is that Martin Bryant, convicted for the Port Arthur massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant)in 1996, was not the actual perpatrator, or that there were two shooters. Bryant was mentaly retarded, but somehow managed to fire off X amount of headshots in X amount of seconds, witnesses put him in two different places at the same time, the police recently ordered a special vehicle to be able to cope with the large amount of corpses, a nurse who was an eye witness and called 000 (911) had their testimony dismissed from court... Anyway, the conspiracy says that the government was behind it so that they would be able to pass draconian gun laws without people making a fuss.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I am also in the group about the moon landing. I feel like they(they being NASA) have been to the moon. Just not when they said originally said they did.

[elx]

Personaly I don't realy think people landed on the moon when they said they did. It's more of a pessimistic outlook on life than it is a solid factual stance. They might have, they might not have, but I'm not going to believe it because Buzz Aldrin wont swear on the bible. >:

apollo 11 was a world-wide effort that millions of people witnessed, not only at the actual launching/landing sites but also on live television courtesy of the austerALIENS, who are equally responsible for the 'missing footage' that the ignorant conspiracy theories revolved around. take the time to learn about it and you'll know better. the most obvious answer to put these stupid claims to rest is that the evidence is still there on the moon. there is nothing there to disturb the site so it will remain intact. the first footprints could easily outlive the human species. go see for yourself. >:

dearest people who believe the hoax stories, please educate yourselves.
http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/Videos/StarChild/space/1st_step.avi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11


anyways, i believe that vladimir putin was directly involved in the internal scandals at the federal counter-intelligence offices of russia and was responsible for the assassination of alexander litvineko. most people seem to believe he was murdered by his own side, to set up the russian federation. but that just doesn't add up for me. rationally speaking, the possible chance at the government taking responsibility isn't enough incentive for them to murder their own. even prior to his death he was the most vital person to the opposition of the administration. following lex parsimoniae, the simplest answer is the most reasonable, it was orchestrated by the government.

[Zhukov]

Elx, the only people to have witnessed the landing are the astronauts that were there. Watching it on a screen doesn't count as witnessing it.

10K and I are only concerned about when they landed, not if. Besides, have YOU been to the moon?

[elx]

Elx, the only people to have witnessed the landing are the astronauts that were there. Watching it on a screen doesn't count as witnessing it.

10K and I are only concerned about when they landed, not if. Besides, have YOU been to the moon?
no, but i don't need to witness something directly to understand that it has occurred. this wasn't a cold-war competition or a triumph for americans, it was a world-wide success for the human race. and to humor the conspiracy theory with such little understanding of it is insulting all of those who dedicated their entire existence to it. it also shows me that you're operating on very little knowledge of the subject, because if you knew the impact on the scientific community and understood the role the information collected on that mission has played in the educational advances you wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

if you do educate yourself and still come to the same conclusion please let me know, because honestly, i hold very little esteem in those who truly believe that something of this magnitude and significance did not occur, almost as little respect for those who deny the existence of holocaust.

you have absolutely no basis for assuming that it didn't occur on the date it was said to have, other than that you assume we were not technologically sophisticated enough for it at the time. which is absurd, because the successful use of those machines has lead to the development of the ones we're currently using today! you should also consider all of the other amazing things humans have been able to construct, all of the other advancements in technology, some single-handidly developed and working long before any space-machine designs.

edit: errors :(

[Zhukov]

Ha, well it was cold war competition at it's finest, but yes, still a great leap for mankind. It can be both.

Also, I never explained my assumptions or what they were based on, so where are you getting that I said we weren't technologicaly developed enough? I'm not doubting SCIENCE, I'm doubting 1960s American government. It's 2:30 am and I am not gerared up for a debate anyway :\


Ok, when they send up another mission, and they have live footage, and photos, and the footprints and flag and moon lander are in exactly the same place as they are in the original photos, then I will switch sides. Before that, I wont be sure because I haven't studied either the theories for or those that are against.

[elx]

Ha, well it was cold war competition at it's finest, but yes, still a great leap for mankind. It can be both.

Also, I never explained my assumptions or what they were based on, so where are you getting that I said we weren't technologicaly developed enough? I'm not doubting SCIENCE, I'm doubting 1960s American government. It's 2:30 am and I am not gerared up for a debate anyway :\


Ok, when they send up another mission, and they have live footage, and photos, and the footprints and flag and moon lander are in exactly the same place as they are in the original photos, then I will switch sides. Before that, I wont be sure because I haven't studied either the theories for or those that are against.
again, this was a world-wide effort in which your own government had quite a bit involvement in from start to finish. i understand that it was only funded and popularized as a 'race', but that's not how it was conducted or how it should be remembered.

here's the most recent evidence of the apollo landing sites as they currently stand.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

[Zhukov]

I don't want you to put so much work into convincing me when it's going to take more than what you are able to provide. That's not an insult, but I need surface photos that match the 60s surface photos. I wouldn't worry yourself, it's hardly important that you change my mind, all the scientific advances are still valid.

It might not have been conducted as a space race by the scientists working on it, but as part of the larger picture, it most certainly was. I don't think the USSR sent NASA much information to help them along to be honest. In fact, I think they kept their cards close to their chest, and vice versa. It's sad that such a fantastic achievment was only brought about to prove superiority over others, but that's how a lot of great advances have happened. Oh well, there will always be more.

2:54 = bed time.

[The Leader]

i understand that it was only funded and popularized as a 'race', but that's not how it was conducted or how it should be remembered.
You stupid or something?

[doopa]

yes I was hoping for moon landing discussion! ELX made me crack up at something that only dr. boogie, proto, rog and max burbank would get.

Vatican- yeah frankly I wouldn't put anything past them
The others are good too.- i love reading these


Keep em coming people.

[MetalMilitia]

I don't for a second believe the moon landings were fake. There is no evidence of this and there is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. I think a lot of people have a kind of "no smoke without fire" attitude to it which is understandable but when it comes to internet conspiracies there is absolutely smoke without fire.

Ultimately you've got to choose who to trust - NASA with the support of the scientific community or someone on the Internet with the support of the Internet community.

[Tadao]

God is the biggest conspiracy of them all. :(

[Dimnos]

Coleslaw mafia. :chatter

[Wiffles]

I thought they already proved the moon landings because they photographed all the abandoned stuff they left up there with the hubble space looky thingy. Yeah it was only a few pixels wide, but they definately up there ^^

As for me I think some of our Global Financial institutions are a conspiracy. I cant pinpoint exactly what, but something fishy going on. Always has been

[kahljorn]

Bryant was mentaly retarded, but somehow managed to fire off X amount of headshots in X amount of seconds,Maybe he was one of those SUPER RETARDS who's special skill was cappin heads.

Elx quit being a fish jesus.

no, but i don't need to witness something directly to understand that it has occurred. this wasn't a cold-war competition or a triumph for americans, it was a world-wide success for the human race.You and your fancy sophism, dear word smith.

the only thing you said that was relevant was the "educational advances" but those are easily questioned. They could have made a moon landing afterward. They could have just been making educated guesses.

Those pictures you posted for all I know could be a slice of fucking cheese, and that's the best proof?

i understand that it was only funded and popularized as a 'race', but that's not how it was conducted or how it should be remembered.I know nuclear arms races were funded and popularized as a race, but that's not how it was conducted or how it should be remembered.
:rolleyes

go throw fish elsewhere, elx.

[Tadao]

I'm actually in the middle of a "movie" called "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon". Nothing to interesting yet. They talk about the Van Allen Belt, but I haven't read too much on it to decide if it would have killed them or not.

[MetalMilitia]

the only thing you said that was relevant was the "educational advances" but those are easily questioned. They could have made a moon landing afterward. They could have just been making educated guesses.

Those pictures you posted for all I know could be a slice of fucking cheese.

Yeah it's pretty easy to argue for the moon landing being a hoax if you just write off every piece of evidence as being fabricated. Better wait till they can fly us all up there and show us the site for
ourselves. Then we'll know for sure.

Yes they could have gone up afterwards, or guessed - or they could've just fucking landed on the fucking moon. Why not believe something that every astronomer on eath believes in, just because someone made a spooky video full of mis-information and bullshit?

[kahljorn]

yes I was hoping for moon landing discussion! ELX made me crack up at something that only dr. boogie, proto, rog and max burbank would get.

Vatican- yeah frankly I wouldn't put anything past them
The others are good too.- i love reading these


Keep em coming people.

You should read robert anton wilson :(

[kahljorn]

Yeah it's pretty easy to argue for the moon landing being a hoax if you just write off every piece of evidence as being fabricated.That's how conspiracy theories work. Also, if they fabricated the moon landing, wouldn't they fabricate the evidence for it? Plus pictures aren't good evidence, as discussed in the mongolian death worm thread.
the educational advances is the best evidence.

Better wait till they can fly us all up there and show us the site for ourselves. Then we'll know for sure.They could've drugged and hypnotized me to see that man I just don't know

Plus they could've just gone there afterward and planted the shit there.

at least use your brain metal militia :rolleyes

[dirtyxblondexdame]

im starting to believe the moon consipracy theory. i blame Tadao.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm actually in the middle of a "movie" called "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon". Nothing to interesting yet. They talk about the Van Allen Belt, but I haven't read too much on it to decide if it would have killed them or not.

Well it wouldn't. Because it didn't.

Bad: A big staple of the HBs is the claim that radiation in the van Allen Belts and in deep space would have killed the astronauts in minutes. They interview a Russian cosmonaut involved in the USSR Moon program, who says that they were worried about going in to the unknowns of space, and suspected that radiation would have penetrated the hull of the spacecraft.



Good: Kaysing's exact words in the program are ``Any human being traveling through the van Allen belt would have been rendered either extremely ill or actually killed by the radiation within a short time thereof.''
This is complete and utter nonsense. The van Allen belts are regions above the Earth's surface where the Earth's magnetic field has trapped particles of the solar wind. An unprotected man would indeed get a lethal dose of radiation, if he stayed there long enough. Actually, the spaceship traveled through the belts pretty quickly, getting past them in an hour or so. There simply wasn't enough time to get a lethal dose, and, as a matter of fact, the metal hull of the spaceship did indeed block most of the radiation. For a detailed explanation of all this, my fellow Mad Scientist William Wheaton has a page with the technical data about the doses received by the astronauts (http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/waw/mad/mad19.html). Another excellent page about this, that also gives a history of NASA radiation testing, is from the Biomedical Results of Apollo (http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/S2ch3.htm) site. An interesting read!
It was also disingenuous of the program to quote the Russian cosmonaut as well. Of course they were worried about radiation before men had gone into the van Allen belts! But tests done by NASA showed that it was possible to not only survive such a passage, but to not even get harmed much by it. It looks to me like another case of convenient editing by the producers of the program.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

[Tadao]

HEY NOW! I never stated where I stand on it and never will,

[dirtyxblondexdame]

you made me watch it. your fault.

[Tadao]

Well it wouldn't. Because it didn't.

Are you sure you aren't American? We can use you to keep the Iraq war going BTW.

[kahljorn]

Yes they could have gone up afterwards, or guessed - or they could've just fucking landed on the fucking moon. Why not believe something that every astronomer on eath believes in, just because someone made a spooky video full of mis-information and bullshit?Ad populum :(

I don't care what astronomers believe, because I don't believe in them.
FOR DIXIE

lol i wasnt gonna say this but i will just for fun: Why not believe something that every religious person believes in, god or a higher power, just because a few heathens made some anti-religious pamphlets? :rolleyes Obviously it's true because religious people believe in it, and religious people are qualified authorities in what really happened in the world.

also i bet there's at least one astronomer who thinks that the moon landing was a hoax, who may or may not be a nut.

[The Leader]

Are you thinking of astrologists?

[kahljorn]

no. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true -- or good. And referring to that consensus of belief as some sort of evidence that something happened or didn't happen is what is known as an appeal to the people.

[MetalMilitia]

Ad populus

Ditto - if a lot of people believe the moon landing was fake there must be something to it, right?

It's not like the opinions of scientists and astronomers actually carry more weight in this topic over nuts on the internet or anything. And it's not as if they can provide things like photographs of the landing site, or rocks they picked up there or anything like that.

But then again they probably fabricated it all because the New World Order in cooperation with the Jews told them to.

[Tadao]

So I am to trust the people who recorded over the original video of Apollo 11 because they said they needed to use the tape for something else.

[The Leader]

no. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it true -- or good. And referring to that consensus of belief as some sort of evidence that something happened or didn't happen is what is known as an appeal to the people.
But what is your point, that people shouldn't believe things that other people believe simply because others think it's true?

[kahljorn]

Ditto - if a lot of people believe the moon landing was fake there must be something to it, right?

Yes, that's a good, and more relevant, counter-example.

It's not like the opinions of scientists and astronomers actually carry more weight in this topic over nuts on the internet or anything.[/quote[

They carry more weight as it pertains to the consensus of the scientific community but not more weight as to what actually happened. Reality does not conform to the scientific consensus.

[quote]And it's not as if they can provide things like photographs of the landing site, or rocks they picked up there or anything like that.

I already talked about this. That one picture looked like sliced cheese. Rocks could've been obtained on a later mission to the moon or FABRICATED. Same with photographs.

haven't you guys learned anything from arguing with geggy?

[MetalMilitia]

So I am to trust the people who recorded over the original video of Apollo 11 because they said they needed to use the tape for something else.

Yes because that's not evidence for or against anything. Possibly evidence that NASA didn't have enough tape in the 70s or that they didn't label things very clearly.

What it comes down to is this - if you come at this from the perspective that they were faked and you need to find evidence to support this then you can probably fool yourself into believing it pretty quickly. If you come at it from the perspective that people on the internet are stupid and gay then you can quickly see thought the bullshit to the truth of the matter.

[kahljorn]

But what is your point, that people shouldn't believe things that other people believe simply because others think it's true?

Yea, basically. Look up ad populum or appeal to the people on wikipedia.

[kahljorn]

What it comes down to is this - if you come at this from the perspective that they were faked and you need to find evidence to support this then you can probably fool yourself into believing it pretty quickly. If you come at it from the perspective that people on the internet are stupid and gay then you can quickly see thought the bullshit to the truth of the matter.that thought process is probably similar to the way stupid gay people on the internet think.
Hasn't this moon hoax thing been around before the internet?

[Tadao]

They stated they erased it because they could not afford to buy more tape because of lack of money. Mans "greatest" achievement was not locked up in a vault? Yeah. Ok buddy.

[The Leader]

Yea, basically. Look up ad populum or appeal to the people on wikipedia.
I didn't word my last post very well. What I meant was, should people not believe something because other people believe it and for no other reason?

[kahljorn]

You should neither believe nor disbelieve anything on the basis of another's belief. The point isn't that the opposite of what others believe is true, or that what they believe isn't true, but only that what other people believe is irrelevant.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm going to tell my doctor that next time he tries to prescribe me anything. Training, knowledge or scientific consensus should never impinge on my belief that I know better.

[Tadao]

Oh man, I forgot about how evil pharmaceuticals are. Great example.

[kahljorn]

lol you're the king of irrelevancy.

Training, knowledge or scientific consensus doesn't make something true.

[kahljorn]

Oh man, I forgot about how evil pharmaceuticals are. Great example.Seriously, I don't even want to get in to this :( But to say the least, doctors sometimes prescribe something, and it causes an adverse effect/doesn't work. So they change medicine, rinse and repeat. Medicine isn't an exact science. The most exact thing in medicine is anti-biotics, everything else is treating symptoms -- not curing sickness.

IM ALMOST AS IRRELEVANT AS METAL MILITIA IS. I THINK ALL I NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE MY IMPERSONATION OF METAL MILITIA IS TAKE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY AND CAST IT AS ARROGANCE AND JERKEDNESS THEN I WOULD BE FUCKING CANDID MY AVATAR WOULD EVEN HAVE A PICTURE OF A CAT WITH SUNGLASSES.

Metal militia you're great and you remind me of Nietzsche :)

[elx]

I already talked about this. That one picture looked like sliced cheese. Rocks could've been obtained on a later mission to the moon or FABRICATED. Same with photographs.

no. first off, i never said it was 'the best' evidence, i said it was the most recent. the images i posted were collected off of a live feed of an orbiter literally weeks ago. they had been anticipated by scientists around the world and were being monitored closely by a team of people at arizona state university as well as another team in russia. the team was made up of nasa employees as well as graduate students and professors that had zero affiliation with the government. but i'm sure that by your standards it just means they were brainwashed, or something else equally ridiculous.

anyone who believes the apollo landings did not happen is an idiot.

[MetalMilitia]

lol you're the king of irrelevancy.

Training, knowledge or scientific consensus doesn't make something true.No but as a layman you have to try and come to a conclusion based on your limited knowledge of the subject. You can either listen to what people that "do shit in space" for a living and know what they're talking about. Not to mention can produce solid evidence to back-up their claims... OR you can listen to people that have no qualifications or knowledge in the subject area and cannot produce any evidence that stands up to even the lightest scrutiny.

But I'm not going to continue arguing this with you because I can tell you're not going to change your mind. Though you might want to check out some other conspiracies while you're at it - they have just as shitty evidence discovered by just as credulous sources. Never know what you might learn!

[kahljorn]

no. first off, i never said it was 'the best' evidence, i said it was the most recent.

Oops, I couldn't remember and didn't feel like checking.

the images i posted were collected from a live feed of an orbiter literally weeks ago, they had been anticipated by scientists around the world and were being monitored closely by a team of people at arizona state university as well as another team in russia. the team was made up of nasa employees as well as graduate students and professors that had zero affiliation with the government. but i'm sure that by your standards it just means they were brainwashed, or something else equally ridiculous.

it doesn't really mean anything. Remember when I said they could've just planted shit on the moon later? The picture could be real, but it doesn't prove that th eoriginal moon landing which happened 40 years before that did happen.

And look don't blame me because your arguments and evidence are substandard and so easy to criticize.

Anyone who believes anything is an idiot. You believe something. Therefore you are an idiot.

I don't believe anything. Good day.

[kahljorn]

lol I'm such an asshole you know that? Here I want to accuse you of a false dichotomy but lets not go down that road because it might blow your mind...

but lets have some fun huh? Just a little?

You can either listen to what people that "do shit in space" for a living and know what they're talking about.People who do shit in space aren't an authority on what really happened in space. They might be able to tell me the theories as they stand, and evidence, but once they state it as truth they have stepped into opinion land, and their opinion is about as relevant as mine.
Furthermore, these people who do shit "in space" aren't even authorities of what happened with the moon landing. The people with the most creditibility on this subject would be historians of some kind. Probably, no relevant field of history or anthropology exists in order to make a worthy claim on this subject. It almost falls into the realm of non-rationality, which means that there could never been any authority and science should have nothing to do with it.
Obviously you fuck bags don't know anything about real science. Science doesn't care what happened on the moon. Science doesn't care about the "Scientific consensus," or what one scientist thinks in one time period. Science is a dick! A giant fucking DICK. THATS ALL SCIENCE IS.

Not to mention can produce solid evidence to back-up their claims. lol

Anyway now that I've been irrelevant you can suck some cock.

oh yea and i dont believe in the moon landing hoax and you and elx are idiots.

[MetalMilitia]

Kahl you know that saying things like "false dichotomy" don't make you some kind of genius right? I know exactly what a false dichotomy is and I don't feel like an idiot when I read your responses - I think "hahahah, look at this fucking asshole who thinks he's a fucking genius because he uses not particularly obscure words".

Well woopty fucking do, Kahl - your ad hominem may best be described via Hanlon's Razor. Look at me I'm fucking smart! I know about not-very-obscure things!

I know you'll have some equally fucking nonce-ish response to this, and quite frankly I look forward to it. I could use a laugh.

[Tadao]

How about World Trade Center Building 7. How the hell did a fire level it. :conspiracy

[kahljorn]

I didn't use an ad hominem, idiot. An ad hominem isn't an insult, it's when you use somebody's bad character to act as though their argument must therefore be false. it would be like if I said, "he says the moon landing is real, but he's an asshole and a jerk and also insane. So therefore his argument must be bad."

I didn't say knowing what a false dichotomy would make you feel like an idiot. I just thought you might feel like an idiot when you realized your two choices weren't completely extensive.
and actually i didn't even really think you would feel like an idiot.

I could use a laugh.If you weren't so serious you'd already be laughing.

[Wiffles]

How about World Trade Center Building 7. How the hell did a fire level it. :conspiracy

You're right that was pretty weird how it collapsed when it was hundreds of yards away from the epicenter when the buildings closest to the WTC only suffered external damage. o.o

[kahljorn]

Guys the authorities on this subject have spoken and if you're willign to take the word of a few nutjobs on t he internet then your name must be kahljorna nd your and idiot and that's all there is to it.

Quite frankly as a layman you only have two choices and that's to believe nutjobs on the internet or to believe the authorities in the field who have a 100% consensus as to what happened and if you want to do the first one then you're an idiot and your opinion doesn't matter.

[Dimnos]

People who do shit in space aren't an authority on what really happened in space.

Who is an authority on what happens in space?

They might be able to tell me the theories as they stand, and evidence, but once they state it as truth they have stepped into opinion land...

If any of it is opinion wouldnt the theories be? I mean once they gather enough evidence wouldnt they then be able to say something is true?

...and their opinion is about as relevant as mine.

Dont they have degrees in fields like engineering and and astrophysics? I would think that makes them just a little more relevant?

Science doesn't care what happened on the moon. Science doesn't care about the "Scientific consensus," or what one scientist thinks in one time period.

So what DOES science care about? I must know?

Science is a dick! A giant fucking DICK. THATS ALL SCIENCE IS.

Does this make religion a vag? A giant fucking VAG?

Anyway now that I've been irrelevant...

Say it aint so!

[kahljorn]

Who is an authority on what happens in space?Did you read the restof that paragraph? Not, "What happens in space" but "What happened in space on one particular instance that can't really be measured." Whether or not the moon landing happened isn't really a scientific subject. If there were an authority, it would be some sort of historian or anthropologist but there's not really very many space anthropologists i dont think.
I dunno its a hairy subject. Scientists could provide some evidence but they can't really be an authority. And just because somebody is an authority doesn't make what they say right. it just makes it part of the consensus.

An authority is somebody who has a degree which is relevant to the suggested claim (in this case, its anthropological, not scientific) and who states the consensus. Otherwise they are not an authority. Being an authority is basically just being an authority on consensus.

If any of it is opinion wouldnt the theories be? I mean once they gather enough evidence wouldnt they then be able to say something is true?For the first part, sort of. But theories are sort of accepted as being "maybe true," so when you state a theory you aren't stating fact but something which is accepted as something that might resemble the processes of the universe.
No, science, can never say whether something is "true." Although maybe it can EVENTUALLY because some people think it's cumulative and we can reach a point where we know everything about the universe with certainty. There's differing opinions.

Dont they have degrees in fields like engineering and and astrophysics? I would think that makes them just a little more relevant?Does a guy in engineering have a more relevant opinion on history than me?

So what DOES science care about? I must know?Science doesn't care about anything. EXCEPT FUCKIN THEORIES. AND I MEAN REALLY FUCKIN EM HARD IN THE ASS TILL THEY FOLD. THATS SCIENCE.

Does this make religion a vag? A giant fucking VAG?No, that doesn't make religion a vag.

Say it aint so!:rolleyes

[Dimnos]

Did you read the restof that paragraph? Not, "What happens in space" but "What happened in space on one particular instance that can't really be measured." Whether or not the moon landing happened isn't really a scientific subject. If there were an authority, it would be some sort of historian or anthropologist but there's not really very many space anthropologists i dont think.

But who? Who I ask?!

For the first part, sort of. But theories are sort of accepted as being "maybe true," so when you state a theory you aren't stating fact but something which is accepted as something that might resemble the processes of the universe.
No, science, ultimately, can never say whether something is "true."

Gravity is true. "The sun radiates heat" is true. Things can be true!

Does a guy in engineering have a more relevant opinion on history than me?

I dont know. Do you have a degree in engineering? If not then I would have to say yes when it pertains to things in the history of engineering. But I could just be guessing?

Science doesn't care about anything.

Not even atomic mass? :tear

No, that doesn't make religion a vag.

Then what does?

:rolleyes
:yum

[MetalMilitia]

I didn't use an ad hominem, idiot. An ad hominem isn't an insult, it's when you use somebody's bad character to act as though their argument must therefore be false. it would be like if I said, "he says the moon landing is real, but he's an asshole and a jerk and also insane. So therefore his argument must be bad."


Great so you're not only an asshole you're also pedantic. I've checked Wikipedia - the source of all knowledge in the world - and it turns out colloquially ad hominem could be used to describe any personal attack regardless of it's it's used in an argument... as I thought you could. Wow - we're both so smart, look at us with Latin and everything!

You may have some valid points on this subject Kahl but you argue them like such a fucking toss-piece it's very difficult to agree with any of them and ultimately I think you're just trying to piss people off - so why bother?

[The Leader]

ultimately I think you're just trying to piss people off - so why bother?
Duh

[kahljorn]

You may have some valid points on this subject Kahl but you argue them like such a fucking toss-piece it's very difficult to agree with any of them

I'm not stating my opinion, I'm criticizing evidence. Can you not tell the difference? You're not supposed to believe anything I'm saying.

I think you're just trying to piss people off - so why bother?

*shrug*

[kahljorn]

Gravity is true. "The sun radiates heat" is true. Things can be true!

The way this should be responded to is: The phenomenon of gravity is "true," the theory of gravity is -- uhh i cant think of the word right now -- temporarily acceptable.

Anyway, if you read my post closely you'll notice I never said that things can't be true.

I dont know. Do you have a degree in engineering? If not then I would have to say yes when it pertains to things in the history of engineering. But I could just be guessing?

The history of engineering and engineering are different fields. Just like science and the history of science are different fields.

[executioneer]

the moon isn't even real they blew up the moon when they tried to land on it and had to replace it w/ a piece of foam rubber

[kahljorn]

and that statemnt is supported by 27 different foam rubber experts.

[kahljorn]

oops i forgot to respond to this:
Great so you're not only an asshole you're also pedantic. I've checked Wikipedia - the source of all knowledge in the world - and it turns out colloquially ad hominem could be used to describe any personal attack regardless of it's it's used in an argumentIdiots abuse words all the time. That's not the proper usage and since I had used the term false dichotomy in its proper context and you were trying to sound equally "smart" in your response, I figured you were responding the way a smart person would but I guess I was totally fooled. Kudos.
also try looking up, "Equivocation."

so which "ad hominem" is it you were talking about, anyway. Personally I think what you said makes no sense if you take it to mean an insult, since the event which you were referring to as an ad hominem was when I tried to sound "Smart" which must mean when I was using the word false dichotomy? There was no insult there except maybe, "Blow your mind." Or was it the crap about how space scientists aren't qualified experts on if the moon landing happened? Either way, they weren't insults or "ad hominems." The only ad homineyish things I even posted didn't even look like they were trying to sound smart.
but i guess im pedantic. I think your usage of ad hominem was kind of ad homineyish like ive done something wrong and my argument is worth ignoring because it's just showoffey.

[kahljorn]

I think a lot of what nietzsche says makes sense :(

[MetalMilitia]

oops i forgot to respond to this:

Actually I was trying to sound like an asshole that pulls fancy-sounding words out of my arse so people on the Internet will fully appreciate my brilliance.

It was kind of a lampoon. Pretty high-brow stuff I know, though I thought the rest of the post would've given you a clue.

But thanks for clearing that up. This is quite a fascinating and important exchange which merits every point being covered.

[kahljorn]

Oh well next time you're putting on an act maybe you could dedicate yourself fully and actually try to encompass the character you are trying to portray fully. Like in this instance you could've actually tried to be intelligent.

Actually I was trying to sound like an asshole that pulls fancy-sounding words out of my arse so people on the Internet will fully appreciate my brilliance.When i make a point I don't try to sound fancy. I do my best to make it as simple sounding as possible. The false dichotomy thing wasn't even part of my point. It was more of a qualification in case the subject eventually merited further discussion.

if you were going to see brilliance it should PROBABLY be in the actual arguments but maybe you can only focus on the irrelevant things because you are the king of irrelevancy.

and man I didn't expect you to argue with my so long its something else.

[executioneer]

when i was in my teens i would frequently believe that my whole existence up to that point was a fabrication and that all my memories were false, does that count as a conspiracy theory or is that just mental illness :(

[MetalMilitia]

Jesus Christ, what the fuck am I doing with my life?

This is the most pointless discussion I've ever had the misfortune to become entangled in. Kahl, I'm just going to block you, okay? And I'd like you to do the same thing to me, okay?

Hopefully that way we'll never find a situation where such a vast quantity of utterly pointless bollocks can accumulate again. Sound good? Wait, I'll never hear the answer so I'll just assume a yes.

[kahljorn]

lol its just being skeptical :(

[kahljorn]

:lol i actually got blocked

man that's like getting the infinite last word in I GUESS METAL MILITIA WINNNSSS

[Dr. Boogie]

So how about the one where Anti-virus software companies are actually making viruses so they won't run out of a job?

I was reminded of it after seeing that story about the reporter in Brazil accused of orchestrating crimes so he could film them for his show.

[Wiffles]

He basicaly gave you a big "talk to the hand" Kal.

As for conspiracy theories I actually believe in

*WTC 7 Collapse
*JFK Assasination, Was Oswald a patsy or the real asassin? Grassy Knoll sniper?
*Project Jennifer, Did the Submarine k-129 broke in half or was it fully recovered with the nuke warheads?
*Did the nazis really make a moonbase?

ok the last one was made up
As for theories about Lizard people or Illuminati. Theres simply not enough evidence wether they exist and is only mostly speculation.

[Tadao]

The WTC7 thing really bugs me.

[Zomboid]

I don't really believe any conspiracy theories, but I reeeeally enjoy the nazi occult stuff. Even if it's all bullshit, it's cool to read about.

[Wiffles]

Well Himmler was really serious about the occult stuff. They had secret occult rituals deep beneath his lair called Castle Wolfenstein. ^^

[kahljorn]

He basicaly gave you a big "talk to the hand" Kal.lol yea it was worth it.

the best part was that he actually thought i believed the moon landing was a hoax and was like fighting for his cause all vigilantly and shit.

[doopa]

So how about the one where Anti-virus software companies are actually making viruses so they won't run out of a job?
.

wow i never heard of that. that's brilliant and believable

[doopa]

:squiglysorry for instigating the fighting guys- kiss and makeup

yeah WTC stuff is very interesting for sure

Goldman Sachs market manipulation- anyone read up on that?


more more more:bestthread

[Dr. Boogie]

wow i never heard of that. that's brilliant and believable

Yeah, but everything's believable to you. :posh


Edit:

http://editthis.info/images/superdickery/5/5c/CrabPeople.jpg

[Big Papa Goat]

I don't really believe any conspiracy theories, but I reeeeally enjoy the nazi occult stuff. Even if it's all bullshit, it's cool to read about.

I'd believe anything about the nazis being into occult shit. Beyond being really bad guys, they were also German, which means they were crazy.

[kahljorn]

lol

sorry for instigating the fighting guys- kiss and makeupits fine. i like arguing.


papa goats thread reminded me of this one station... does anybody here ever listen to coast to coast with some douche bag? George nory or somethin i dunno. There's always interesting conspiracy bullshit on there.

[Zhukov]

So how about the one where Anti-virus software companies are actually making viruses so they won't run out of a job?

I was reminded of it after seeing that story about the reporter in Brazil accused of orchestrating crimes so he could film them for his show.


I put that one under the larger umbrella of large companies squeezing every last drop of money they can from their dirty rag of morality. They make machinery designed to break after the warranty ends, they could cure aids but prefer to make extremely expensive drugs to combat it instead etc.

Also, how about some Communist Conspiracies (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Unholy_three.png)?

Insider tip: while not doing it via fluoridated water or assassinations of TV personalities, yes, communists are looking to take over the world.

[executioneer]

hahah you don't say!

[MarioRPG]

There are some conspiracies out there that are just a little too crazy.

[Dr. Boogie]

There's no such thing as "too crazy" in this thread.

[kahljorn]

They make machinery designed to break after the warranty ends

Yea, it does seem like that happens a lot. I always thought it was ridiculous that things break so soon after purchasing them, whereas in the "old days" things would last forever.
But did you know that this was actually an influence on the great depression and on our recovery from it? Because back then you would buy a car and you wouldn't have to buy a car for 20 + years. So what happens when everybody owns a car or a refrigerator and it never breaks forever? Nobody is buying more stuff, unless they're rich, so you get periods of stagnancy in the buying of certain products. So then they had to start having like "Editions" of cars or whatever with new features to entice people into buying them; and eventually they stopped making them last 20 years + so that people would have to buy new cars, and the factories could keep producing.

[Wiffles]

Yea, it does seem like that happens a lot. I always thought it was ridiculous that things break so soon after purchasing them, whereas in the "old days" things would last forever.
But did you know that this was actually an influence on the great depression and on our recovery from it? Because back then you would buy a car and you wouldn't have to buy a car for 20 + years. So what happens when everybody owns a car or a refrigerator and it never breaks forever? Nobody is buying more stuff, unless they're rich, so you get periods of stagnancy in the buying of certain products. So then they had to start having like "Editions" of cars or whatever with new features to entice people into buying them; and eventually they stopped making them last 20 years + so that people would have to buy new cars, and the factories could keep producing.

It probably depends which country or how expensive the Item you bought is. Lets say you bought something more expensive and Made In Deutchland, well you can expect it to last long. As opposed to something made in China that you just bought for a fraction of the price. As may be the case, most electronics are made there anyway, so I can see why they had reliability issues. It may be a case of Price and quality. Also not everything made before was more reliable. Would you dare to drive cross country on a Model-T (even if it was brand new) today? I think not, simply because the average modern family vehicle is more reliable. ^.^

But in a way, some things made back then were more reliable, like fridges. They could practically survive a nuclear blast O.o

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

So how about the one where Anti-virus software companies are actually making viruses so they won't run out of a job?

I was reminded of it after seeing that story about the reporter in Brazil accused of orchestrating crimes so he could film them for his show.

I have no proof but I always thought if you used norton per se and then didn't renew it but instead you got some other anti-virus software the original anti-virus program would then deploy viruses, malware and spyware onto your computer.

[Dr. Boogie]

I have no proof but I always thought if you used norton per se and then didn't renew it but instead you got some other anti-virus software the original anti-virus program would then deploy viruses, malware and spyware onto your computer.

People, please. Don't let a lack of proof, or anything else, prevent you from posting any kind of conspiracy theory in this thread.


I heard that the popular insecticide, Off!, works in such a way that when it kills bugs, it mixes with their decomposing bug bodies and gives off a phermone that attracts more bugs!

[Geggy]

I'd believe anything about the nazis being into occult shit. Beyond being really bad guys, they were also German, which means they were crazy.

I'm pretty sure it was the americans who had orginated nazism. I could be wrong though.

[Tadao]

I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

This whole thread has got me watching 911 conspiracy movies again. Loose changed put out a third and final cut.

[Dimnos]

I'm pretty sure it was the americans who had orginated nazism. I could be wrong though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Barr%C3%A8s

:confused:

[kahljorn]

It probably depends which country or how expensive the Item you bought is. Lets say you bought something more expensive and Made In Deutchland, well you can expect it to last long. As opposed to something made in China that you just bought for a fraction of the price.

Did people buy a lot of cars and electronics from china and Germany during the 1920-30's?
and that may just be the case but I've never heard that cars from germany are more reliable than cars from other places.

As may be the case, most electronics are made there anyway, so I can see why they had reliability issues.

Yea, and these companies do well because they have a constant demand for cheap, replaceable items. But this is years after the great depression which was the subject of my paragraph. Was china one of the major electronics producers during the great depression?
One of the problems during the last great depression is that people made durable items so durable that there was no incentive to buy other ones, which caused the demand for more production to go down, and the demand for sales persons as well.

but now that is different, and largely because of that reason.

Would you dare to drive cross country on a Model-T (even if it was brand new) today? I think not, simply because the average modern family vehicle is more reliable. ^.^

Would you drive a modern family vehicle in the 1930's? I think not, simply because they didn't fucking exist.

[Tadao]

I always thought that BMW and VW were some of the most reliable cars in the world.

[kahljorn]

Oh man you guys probably remember that conspiracy about history only actually starting in about 1500ad and all that other time was invented by historians and anthropologists, right? i think I saw that here first..

anyway here's some more similar theories!
Okay so first there's the theory that the entire world is STUCK IN TIME. We all live in an "iron prison" and it is still roman times before the crucifixion of jesus.

then there's this other theory about how in the 1950's the sun actually expanded into a red giant (which promptly consumed the earth) but an interplanetary counsel of aliens decided to save us basically putting us into some kind of other dimension or an illusion called the "Christ" or "Thoth" grid and now we just live in that time period until we awaken and become amazing also thoth the ancient dude who was also hermes and some other dudes went into this christ grid.

all facts.

also there's this one last conspiracy theory about how our government purposefully falsified the history of the world and industry by ruining the economies of advanced countries like china and germany during the early 1920's and that actually a great amount of high technological items were available fromm these countries and the united states just stole their ideas and made crappy versions of their cars and also they didn't tell us about this time hole that you could use to travel to the future of china and buy modern automobiles in the 1920's and to this day they still hide knowledge of this time hole so that we can't stop hitler because he invented the time hole in the 1980's

[kahljorn]

I always thought that BMW and VW were some of the most reliable cars in the world.

Depends on what you mean by reliable when it comes to volkswagons. Especially during the 1930's.

[Tadao]

Don't forget the conspiracy that Samurais were highly trained killing machines.

[kahljorn]

Don't forget the conspiracy that you're not an idiot.

[kahljorn]

Don't forget to watch more movies about the true history of 911 and true histories about the moon landing and also read the true history of samurais.

you have refined tastes and I would respect any single one of your opinions.

[Tadao]

:love

[kahljorn]

;)

[MajorScales]

I believe that the Auto Industry is and will always be corrupt...

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[Tadao]

Thanks for reminding me, I gotta get that movie.

[Zhukov]

The whole electric car debacle is another example of corporations putting blocks on science and helping mankind to further profit. It's not really a conspiracy theory, I'd say it's truth. Think how many men and women could have walked on the moon by now if profit and politics weren't involved.

[The Leader]

But why would automotive companies make something that causes them to lose money?

[MarioRPG]

Keep up the guise. ;)

[Dimnos]

But why would automotive companies make something that causes them to lose money?

Some automotive companies dont have a stake in big oil.

[The Leader]

Yeah, but not very many Americans buy electric cars. Didn't GM or Ford come out with one in the 90's that was a total flop?

[Dimnos]

I dont know. :\

[The Leader]

I do know that the reason that American car companies now pretty much only make huge trucks and SUVs is because they have been losing money on smaller more fuel efficient models since the 90's, maybe earlier. The only way that we're going to get fuel efficient vehicles is by creating demand by increasing the price of gas to the same levels that are seen over seas. The car companies are businesses. It's not their fault that the American public is largely made up of ass holes.

[Wiffles]

Hurf hurf hurf, electric bad. Big block carburetted push-rods good ^.^

[kahljorn]

The only way that we're going to get fuel efficient vehicles is by creating demand by increasing the price of gas to the same levels that are seen over seas. The car companies are businesses.

Well hasn't this already happened? If you watch commercials now a days almost every company advertises gas mileage and fuel efficiency.

[Wiffles]

I think fuel efficiency has been maxed out on our current metal cars. Thats why most we can get is 30-40mpg for a car of any brand or origin. Unless youre willing to drive one of these, which can get better mileage at the risk of safety

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/T4ch4n/06081800511.jpg

Basically we need an automotive revolution. Use of lightweight composites like plastic and carbon-fiber for body panels. A lean burn engine, probably made of ceramics. Id say 100mpg is easy. Thing is, that technology is available now ^^

[MattJack]

So how about the one where Anti-virus software companies are actually making viruses so they won't run out of a job?

I HAVE SAID THIS FOR YEARS.

It just seems to be too coincidental.

"Hey you got a virus on yer shi*. Lucky for you this virus tells you the exact program you need to have in order to remove it!"

BOLLOCKS

[elx]

one of my undergrad peers truly believes the major governments are somehow turning babies into homosexuals in response to overpopulation. so dumb. :(

[kahljorn]

how can you have undergrad peers as a 16 year old girl?

I've seen cars advertised that get 50 mpg. Also I'd rather be driving 60 mph in a car made of metal than one made of plastic that looks all ridiculous.

that car looks like as soon as you hit 60 it would start doing somersaults, and if another car hit you you'd either shatter or roll off :(

[Wiffles]

Hence why they should be made of carbon composites. They would still be a normal sized car, just made of carbon fiber. And carbon fiber is vastly stronger than steel, much lighter, and doesn't rust. Now for lean burn engines, you can basically tweak any car for a lean burn, but you risk burning off your valves, this is where ceramic components come into play. lean burn gives good efficiency compared to normal burn. ^^

[The Leader]

Well hasn't this already happened? If you watch commercials now a days almost every company advertises gas mileage and fuel efficiency.
They do, but 20 years ago you could get cars that had 20-30 more miles per gallon on average than the cars that are being made now.
edit: More like 10 to 20 :roll-eyes:

[The Leader]

Maybe it's just me but it seems like there are less and less cars available that get 40 mpg.

[Tadao]

I just finished watching Who killed the electric car. It pretty much shows you the answers to all these questions. :(

[Wiffles]

Maybe it's just me but it seems like there are less and less cars available that get 40 mpg.


You know why? Cars have gotten bigger, more gadgets, more weight. Lets compare a 70s Toyota Corolla to a modern one. If you ever saw one of these old puppies, they are tiny ^^

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/rollas22/KE20.jpg

VS

http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/07.most.fuel.efficient.cars/07.toyota.corolla.500.jpg (http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/07.most.fuel.efficient.cars/07.toyota.corolla.500.jpg)

But, as for American cars. They have gotten smaller. Reverse trend ^^;

[LordSappington]

Well, you've also got a lot of changes to the engine that have occurred by now. I don't know much about engines or anything, but maybe at least SOME of these changes can have some difference in mileage.

[Tadao]

It's a well known fact that Obama gave Ted Kennedy cancer so that his death will help pass his socialized health care plan which is just a small stepping stone to take away our freedoms and turn us into a communist country,

[The Leader]

I knew it.

[kahljorn]

cars used to get better gas mileage than they do now? All the old cars ive had got shitty gas mileage.

also i think i watched the same documentary as wiffles cause i remember the pictures of those gay little cars.

[Zhukov]

But why would automotive companies make something that causes them to lose money?
Exactly. Why do anything if it isn't going to make money? That whole mantra is putting scientific advancement, environmental protection and human needs after profit.

[The Leader]

cars used to get better gas mileage than they do now? All the old cars ive had got shitty gas mileage.
Maybe it's 'cause you didn't love them enough.

Exactly. Why do anything if it isn't going to make money? That whole mantra is putting scientific advancement, environmental protection and human needs after profit.
Well, that's how the world works. Always has been, always will be.

[kahljorn]

Maybe it's 'cause you didn't love them enough.

Maybe. Which cars have you had which were old that got good gas mileage? Were they 4 cylinder?

[The Leader]

I've only owned one car and it's a Chrysler 300m and I love it so very much.

[kahljorn]

Oh alright for some reason I thought you had owned old cars and that they got good gas mileage for you.

[The Leader]

No, I just grew up in a family that was deeply rooted in the American auto industry. I don't even like cars. :/

[Wiffles]

I own a manual 1975 998cc Austin Mini, if that helps. No AC, no Power steering, gives about 40mpg. Probably be better if it wasnt carburetted. I had seen diesel cars get more than 50mpg. But they are a rarity outside europe, and diesel has different properties from gas so I wouldnt probably want to compare the two too much. ^.^;

What cars have you had good mileage on Kal?

[Tadao]

No AC? Don't come to Cali.

[Wiffles]

Yeah it gets stuffy if you're sitting traffic. Luckly I only need to drive at night, its good if the window is a wee bit cranked down and youre doing reasonable speed ^.^

[kahljorn]

I haven't really had any old cars that got particularly good gas mileage. I had a bug for a while but stuff kept "breaking" (mostly shit coming loose) so many times I decided not to keep it ;O never really got to tell how good it was on gas mileage.

I had a nova but it had a six cylinder and it didn't really get the best gas mileage, but it depended on what quality gas you used. Right now I have a focus and it gets around 30mpg sometimes.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Had a 4 cylinder '90 Honda Civic hatchback that got around 40 mpg. I'm pretty sure it was made out of cardboard though but it ran for 240,000 miles.

[MajorScales]

Back in the 80's my first cars were the second generation Honda civic/Toyota corolla/and 5 volks beetles....all of them were amazing on fuel. Its 2009 and my two vehicles I own are horrible on fuel and the auto industry has done a back flip and now all these hybrids and diesel vehicles I would have bought ten years ago are just starting to come out...its fucked up. The Stock crash and the auto industry taking a nose dive was planned in order to get rid of the Unions and divert all the fuckups Bush did...how can you compete if you don't?

[alienkid]

finaly!
i've been waiting for another thread like mine.
anyway, i got a ton of conspiracies.
i guess i'll post them all individualy.

[The Leader]

Oh God, what hath we wrought?

[Dimnos]

The conspiracy of people posting that they are going to post things when they should have just posted them instead. :(

[Tadao]

finaly!
i've been waiting for another thread like mine.
anyway, i got a ton of conspiracies.
i guess i'll post them all individualy.

I hope you are not busy writing 500 words that no one here will read. Try to put it in 2 sentences.

[Guitar Woman]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3883/1251944445436.jpg

[executioneer]

hahahaha

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Moon landing faked.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/conspiracy_theorist_convinces_neil?utm_source=a-section

[kahljorn]

that proves it

[Geggy]

Recently I saw the motion picture The Siege (1998), starring Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis. For those who haven't seen it. The movie is about a wave of terror attacks in New York by Islamic fundamentalist, and is lead by a Sheik called Ahmed Bin Talal. As the terror attacks continue, the US government responds by declaring martial law, sending US troops, into the streets of New York City.

Terror attacks, Islamic fundamentalist, New York and a Sheik with 'Bin' in the name. One can't help start thinking about the tragic events of 9/11. So during the movie I began to wonder... who wrote the script of the movie? So I visited the Internet Movie Database website to find out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HLNawUg_3s

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133952/

Lawrence Wright it states on IMDB. Is this the same guy from The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11? Popped into my mind.

Well, I got that quickly confirmed with a big YES, after the visit of the website: www.lawrencewright.com

When I was looking at the Filmography of Lawrence Wright Internet Movie Database I noticed two things. One that he isn't really into screenplay writing. Secondly his credits appear for the writing of "Noriega: God's Favorite". A movie that has a serious political undertone. One can't deny that there's some serious interest from the political realm that the public is pushed into a certain view when it comes to Latin and South America. See what's happening these days over there with Honduras and Venezuela and all.
An interesting fact is that there were plans by Oliver Stone to make a motion picture of the novel, starring Al Pacino. Stone eventually cancelled it, cause after doing his own inquiries he found out that the novel was a complete false presentation, of the real events around the life of Noriega.

So far so good.

Time to do a search for Lawrence Wright on youtube:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRppZ_rco-s
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjo2PC5OPc4
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfQtqdS-ll4
4. part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuTQ6ystWrw
part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7EB1FxENxQ
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmFExhvIqRM

Well, what can I say. I almost fell of my chair by what I found out by watching the footage. For example. It appears that Lawrence Wright is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR). He also knew the head of security of the Twin Towers.

In the video "Conversations with History: Lawrence Wright" on youtube Lawrence tells that Lynda Obst approached him for writing the script of "The Siege". On the website of Lynda Obst you can read that during the production of The Siege she was based at FOX. And as we all know FOX is one big propaganda machine.

http://www.lyndaobst.com/aboutus.html

All coincidence? Personally, I don't think so.

To me the movie "The Stiege" is a clear example of psychology warfare. Planting a seed in the (subconscious) minds of public/audience.

What do you think?

[Geggy]

I stole it from someone else hahahaha

[Zhukov]

Any sound minded individual could have come to the same conclusion without the hours spent looking up IMDB sites and youtube links.

[The Leader]

So, wait, you came to the conclusion that someone is really interested in terrorism and America's foreign policy towards the middle east in the 80's and 90's and the repercussions of such policies? Ok, good job.

[Tadao]

Apple Computer, Inc has a whole division in Taiwan that does nothing but create and distribute Windows viruses.

[Chojin]

99% of computer viruses are developed by anti-virus companies.

[Tadao]

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[DougClayton4231]

The whole 9/11 thing is complete and utter bullshit. A lot of innocent people died so that our country could find a stupid reason to go to war.

Also, I won't believe for a second that we made it to the moon. If we did, why the fuck aren't there more things going on on the lunar surface? I haven't heard of a single mission to the moon since 1975. What the fuck is wrong with it? I call bullshit.

[executioneer]

going to the moon is expensive, dude

[DougClayton4231]

We've wasted billions on a war in the middle east and billions more keeping rich people rich, I think we can afford to go to the fucking moon once in 35 fucking years!

Also, as a scientist (in training), I can declare that science is only science until it is proved to be bullshit by better scientists. "Conspiracy theories" actually hold just as much ground as a scientific hypothesis. If people saw some of the crazy shit that scientists come up with on a daily basis they wouldn't be so sceptical of conspiracies.

99% of computer viruses are developed by anti-virus companies.

I'm sure that this is mostly true, just like how companies delibrately engineer products to either fall apart or explode once out of warranty (see microsoft).

[The Leader]

We've wasted billions on a war in the middle east and billions more keeping rich people rich, I think we can afford to go to the fucking moon once in 35 fucking years!

Also, as a scientist (in training), I can declare that science is only science until it is proved to be bullshit by better scientists. "Conspiracy theories" actually hold just as much ground as a scientific hypothesis. If people saw some of the crazy shit that scientists come up with on a daily basis they wouldn't be so sceptical of conspiracies.
Yeah, but why would we go to the moon when we could be working on stuff that has a more immediate impact on people's lives? Politicians aren't scientists. They're a little too busy dealing with the needs of their country and foreign relations to be getting all excited about finding helium 3 in lunar soil.

Also you don't fully understand what a scientific hypothesis is.

[DougClayton4231]

Yeah, but why would we go to the moon when we could be working on stuff that has a more immediate impact on people's lives? Politicians aren't scientists. They're a little too busy dealing with the needs of their country and foreign relations to be getting all excited about finding helium 3 in lunar soil.

Also you don't fully understand what a scientific hypothesis is.

A scientific hypothesis is an educated question with a verifiable/disprovable outcome.

I could actually give a fuck less if they went to the moon or not, I'm simply being an ass lol. My point is that it doesn't really make any sense that they went to the moon back when technology was extremely primative only to abandon going to the moon once technology drastically advanced. Also, politicians waste taxpayer money on bullshit all the time, even more so recently.

[The Leader]

We went to the moon then because the fuckin' red commie sons o' bitches ruskies was trying to get there!

[DougClayton4231]

What ever happened to the cold war? I actually preferred it to the lukewarm one that we have now.

[Wiffles]

Basicaly the Ruskies ran out of money and became capitalist which is working quite well for them now ^.^

[The Leader]

Actually it's working like shit. It's hard for a country to just turn around and change its government and economic systems like that. Many people say that it was better when it was the USSR.

To live there, that is.

[Tadao]

It's hard to choose from a dictator or the mafia.

[Dimnos]

Doug I really hope your kdding about that moon thing. If not your a fucking tool. :(

[kahljorn]

Everybody knows that we won the cold war because we didnt go to the moon and the russians lost because they spent all that money on trying to get there while we just made cheap videos pretending like we had. The russians spent a tleast twice as much on trying to get to the moon as we spent on making that video

stupid russians.

[Dimnos]

There is a thread for that kind of talk Mr.

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69702665

[kahljorn]

lol well its really the americans who look so silly for producing such an expensive movie anyway
so maybe that thread's not appropriate

[Jeanette X]

As an anthropology student, it is my firm belief that the ancient astronauts theory (which can be a considered a conspiracy theory) is the biggest pile of horseshit ever concocted. If any of you believe it, give me a specific reason as to why and I will explain to you why its a load of crap.

Any takers?

[kahljorn]

What is the ancient astronauts theory exactly? :(

[Tadao]

Can't you just cut out the middle man and prove that their wasn't ancient astronauts?

[Jeanette X]

On the website of Lynda Obst you can read that during the production of The Siege she was based at FOX. And as we all know FOX is one big propaganda machine.
To me the movie "The Stiege" is a clear example of psychology warfare. Planting a seed in the (subconscious) minds of public/audience.

What do you think?

NO YOU FUCKING MORON, IT ISN'T PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, ITS THE OPPOSITE! THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT MOVIE IS THAT IT IS MORALLY REPUGNANT TO TORTURE PEOPLE AND VIOLATE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY! DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE MOVIE ALL THE WAY THROUGH?! THEY ARRESTED THE GUY FOR TORTURING AND MURDERING THE ARAB DETAINEE!THE TORTURER WAS THE VILLAIN! HE GOT HIS COMEUPPANCE! ITS THE POLAR OPPOSITE OF EVERYTHING THAT FOX HAS EVER ADVOCATED!

[kahljorn]

You can't argue against conspiracy theories :(

its basically the same as arguing against religious persons

[Jeanette X]

What is the ancient astronauts theory exactly? :(
The theory that aliens came down from the sky and taught people what they needed to make civilization. Postulating that the pyramids were built by aliens and/or with alien technology and so forth.

[kahljorn]

Oh okay wasn't sure if it was that or something else...

So like how did the dogons know all those damndable details about the sirius solar system if interstellar dolphins didn't teach them how?

[Tadao]

So there is no such thing as alien life forms?

[Tadao]

Oh wait, I see! Aliens didn't exist in the before time!

[Jeanette X]

Oh okay wasn't sure if it was that or something else...

So like how did the dogons know all those damndable details about the sirius solar system if interstellar dolphins didn't teach them how?

I'm not terribly familiar with the Dogon star controversy, but wiki has an extensively cited section about it in their article, which details a lot of the criticism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people#Dogon_and_Sirius

[Wiffles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgyHcPnI70 <-- I think this debunks the theory that aliens did help make the pyramids

This guy can move 19 ton blocks by himself without the use of machinery or pulleys. Just using wooden planks. If he can do it, Im sure a bunch of Egyptians can do it. n_n

[Tadao]

Or wait, maybe aliens do exist, but they can't reach our planet because GOD told them to stay away.

[Tadao]

The proof that aliens didn't visit our ancestors is overwhelming!

[Tadao]

I feel so alone :(

[kahljorn]

that was kind of a half-assed response ;/

[Tadao]

But it does prove that aliens didn't come down and give us guidance.

[kahljorn]

wikipedia does?

[Tadao]

No Jeanette posting does. I'm convinced and I think I turned Christian just now.

[kahljorn]

oh

[Jeanette X]

that was kind of a half-assed response ;/

Yes, I'm sorry. I was thinking more general terms, such as why the Mayan's "vanished" (hint: they didn't), why there are pyramids found all over the world, why the Nazca lines were carved, etc. Like I said, the Dogon controversy just isn't something I'm well versed in. I suspect this is case of an anthropologist mistranslating and/or misinterpreting a myth. Anyway, when another anthropologist went back and spoke to them, some of them identified the star that was supposedly Sirius as Venus, which is extremely bright and hard to miss.

[kahljorn]

so they talked to someone stupid and that's evidence that its all a sham?

[kahljorn]

why are there pyrmaids found all over the world and if you plot them all on a map and draw a spiral around them like connect the dots that spiral has the exact same ratio as the golden ratio?

[Jeanette X]

so they talked to someone stupid and that's evidence that its all a sham?

They talked to a lot of people about it. Keep in mind that the fieldwork that was done that lead to all this in the first place was done in the thirties and forties, when anthropology was still a fairly young discipline. Methods and ethics weren't quite as stringent as they are now.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/dogonshame.html
Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaule’s original informants; he noted that “though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule.” Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaule’s claims
Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s – before he visited the Dogon – there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C.
The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. To quote James and Thorpe: “As for Sirius B, only Griaule’s informants had ever heard of it.” Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own.why are there pyrmaids found all over the world and if you plot them all on a map and draw a spiral around them like connect the dots that spiral has the exact same ratio as the golden ratio?
Pyramids are found all over the world because when you want to build a Big Fucking Thing, but you don't have steel and advanced engineering techniques, the easiest way to build your Big Fucking Thing is by starting with a large base and tapering that base to a point. In other words, a pyramid.

As for the golden ratio business, I'm willing to bet that they left some pyramids out. Also, if I were to pick some arbitrary sites around the world I could probably connect them to make spiral with the same ratio. That is, if I was any good at math, which I'm not.

[Tadao]

So Jeanette, what you are saying is that it is not only improbable, but it is impossible?

[Jeanette X]

So Jeanette, what you are saying is that it is not only improbable, but it is impossible?

When did I say it was impossible? I'm saying that there are better, more plausible explanations.

[Tadao]

Well you are saying it didn't happen, but really all you have is speculation.

[kahljorn]

OOOOH BUUUURNNN

[Jeanette X]

Well you are saying it didn't happen, but really all you have is speculation.

The principle of Occam's Razor is on my side. The most logical thing to conclude, based on the evidence, is that it didn't happen.

You can never know for certain that I don't have a unicorn in my yard. Maybe I grafted a horn onto a horse in my spare time and now I have my own pet unicorn. You can tell me I don't, but all you can do is speculate since you haven't seen my yard. That doesn't make you any less right when you tell me that I'm full of shit when I claim to have one.

[Tadao]

Correct, and that is why I don't make outrageous staements like.

As an unicorn student, it is my firm belief that the Jeanettes bakyard theory (which can be a considered a conspiracy theory) is the biggest pile of horseshit ever concocted. If any of you believe it, give me a specific reason as to why and I will explain to you why its a load of crap.

Any takers?

[Jeanette X]

As a student of unicornology, you would explain why you can't graft a horn onto horse, how people have tried it, and how they failed. You would provide links to articles proving my outlandish claims wrong.

People who claim that aliens visited us and built the pyramids are the one's claiming to have a unicorn in their yards over the Internet. Do you see the parallel?

Or would you say to doubters of my unicorn claim that "Well you are saying that Jeanette doesn't have a unicorn, but really all you have is speculation"?

Would you defend my unicorn claim the way you seem to be defending ancient astronaut theory?

[kahljorn]

Jeanette do you want me to quote wikipedia at you?

[kahljorn]

you can't use occam's razor to "win" arguments and you can't use the impossibility of knowing for sure whether or not there is actually a unicorn or not in your yard short of showing up there and looking which you could always claim its out frolicking or whatever unicorns do to support the notion that there is or is not a unicorn in your yard and then transfer the impossibility of knowing that into a claim about whether or not aliens built the pyramids.

[Jeanette X]

Jeanette do you want me to quote wikipedia at you?

I quoted the ORIGINAL ARTICLE you boob.

You want more? Not from Wiki? Here you go:

http://www.skepdic.com/dogon.html
Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of the Dogon. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem African thought. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit.
Knowledge of the stars is not important either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. The position of the sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. No Dogon outside of the circle of Griaule's informants had ever heard of sigu tolo or po tolo... Most important, no one, even within the circle of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a double star (Ortiz de Montellano).* (http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk/dogon.html)
According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new myths by confabulation (http://www.skepdic.com/confab.html)." Griaule either informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible companion" (Bullard).

http://www.badarchaeology.net/extraterrestrial/sirius.php
However, by the time Temple had published the second edition of The Sirius Mystery in 1998, the whole question of the Dogon’s apparently inexplicable knowledge of Sirius had been blown apart. No-one had questioned Griaule and Dieterlen’s findings until the early 1990s. And this is where the problems for the hypothesis began. In 1991, the anthropologist Walter van Beek undertook fieldwork among the Dogon, hoping to find evidence for their knowledge of Sirius. As the earlier authors had indicated that aorund 15% of the adult males were initiated into the Sirius lore, this ought to have been a relatively easy task. However, van Beek was unable to find anyone who knew about Sirius B. As ought to have been obvious from the outset, Griaule and Dieterlen’s reliance on a single informant – Ogotemmêli – severely compromises the validity of their data.
But it gets worse. The Dogon themselves do not agree that Sigu tolo is Sirius: it is the bright star that appears to announce the beginning of a festival (sigu), which some identify with Venus, while others claim it is invisible. To polo is not Sirius B, as it sometimes approaches Sigu tolo, making it brighter, while it is sometimes more distant, when it appears as a group of twinkling stars (which sounds like a description of the Pleiades). All in all, the ‘inexplicable’ astronomical knowledge turns out to be too confused to bear the interpretation put on it by Griaule and Dieterlen. It is probably no coincidence that Griaule was a keen amateur astronomer and used his knowledge to rationalise an extremely confusing traditional lore that the Dogon themselves could not agree on.


Satisfied?

[Tadao]

As a student of Unicornology, I would understand that there was a time before me that we didn't fully understand our surroundings and that the facts were inaccurate. What was once impossible has become very real and everyday. I would also (since I'm a fucking genius) understand that what I know as fact today, may turn out to be very false in the future.

Blacks had tails, the universe revolved around us, dinosaur bones were in fact the bones of giants.

[kahljorn]

I'm only talking about your usage of occam's razor as if it really means anything.

[Jeanette X]

you can't use occam's razor to "win" arguments and you can't use the impossibility of knowing for sure whether or not there is actually a unicorn or not in your yard short of showing up there and looking which you could always claim its out frolicking or whatever unicorns do to support the notion that there is or is not a unicorn in your yard and then transfer the impossibility of knowing that into a claim about whether or not aliens built the pyramids.

I'm saying in light of the lack of evidence of ancient astronauts aside from reinterpretations of myths and ambiguous art makes my interpretation the more simple and therefore the most plausible. Just as the lack of evidence of the existence of unicorns or the ability to make them artificially makes a claim of owning one dubious. The simple and thus more plausible explanation of a person who claims to own one is that that person is lying. Of course you can't know for sure that I don't have one. That doesn't mean that you should take me seriously when I say that I do.

[Tadao]

So more plausible is equal to truth.

[Jeanette X]

So more plausible is equal to truth.
It is for the purposes of scientific consensus. Evolution is more plausible than creationism, therefore we teach it in schools. Or would you rather we "teach the controversy"?

As a student of Unicornology, I would understand that there was a time before me that we didn't fully understand our surroundings and that the facts were inaccurate. What was once impossible has become very real and everyday. I would also (since I'm a fucking genius) understand that what I know as fact today, may turn out to be very false in the future.

Blacks had tails, the universe revolved around us, dinosaur bones were in fact the bones of giants.

Of course my conclusions might turn out to be false in the future. I never said that could never happen. Somebody might discover an ancient spaceship, just as someone might discover some live unicorns frolicking in a remote part of the Amazonian rainforest. If such evidence appeared I would of course radically alter my worldview.

But until that happens, I stand by my conclusions.

[Tadao]

I stand by my conclusions.

Many people died because of these words.

[Jeanette X]

Many people died because of these words.

Don't you dare Godwin this thread, you prick.

[Tadao]

Bush, Nazis, Catholics, Christians, Romans, Russians, fucking shit I can go on, but you said the exact closed minded words of all these people.

[Tadao]

Let me use you as an example. To date there is one picture of you. No one has ever met you. You have published the same picture a few times as you. One should assume you are someones character. Therefore you don't exist. Should I now just ignore every theory you have, or should I consider that I may be wrong and collect your theories as a possibility? What is the best way to grow the future? Doubt until proof or consideration until disproved?

In my eyes, you picked the most comfortable chair. I prefer adventure myself.

[Dr. Boogie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgyHcPnI70 <-- I think this debunks the theory that aliens did help make the pyramids

This guy can move 19 ton blocks by himself without the use of machinery or pulleys. Just using wooden planks. If he can do it, Im sure a bunch of Egyptians can do it. n_n

Uh, hello? The aliens used their nanoconstructors to create hundreds of different pyramids around the world. I think they can handle making a Youtube video of one of their supersoldiers rolling concrete blocks.

They left little hints in the video, like naming their guy "Wally Wallington". I'll bet he married "Wilma Wilmington". And the reason the audio is so terrible is because of packet loss resulting from the video being uploaded through the Van Allen radiation belt.

And don't forget this: "His passion is moving heavy items." Classic supersoldier passion.

[Tadao]

You might even be Geggy's split personality. :tear

[Wiffles]

Uh, hello? The aliens used their nanoconstructors to create hundreds of different pyramids around the world. I think they can handle making a Youtube video of one of their supersoldiers rolling concrete blocks.

They left little hints in the video, like naming their guy "Wally Wallington". I'll bet he married "Wilma Wilmington". And the reason the audio is so terrible is because of packet loss resulting from the video being uploaded through the Van Allen radiation belt.

And don't forget this: "His passion is moving heavy items." Classic supersoldier passion.


You are right O_O!

he ist das ubersoldat!

[kahljorn]

What the fuck is so implausible about unicorns anyway? its just a fucking horse with a single horn like a rhinocerus that contains magic and is as precious as a child's innocence. It's not like its impossible or something.

[Tadao]

Narwhals were a myth.

[kahljorn]

lol this is exactly like this thread where she had arguments against futurism :(

[Tadao]

I remember when I felt strongly about something. Turned out I was a teenager.

[Jeanette X]

Let me use you as an example. To date there is one picture of you. No one has ever met you. You have published the same picture a few times as you. One should assume you are someones character. Therefore you don't exist. Should I now just ignore every theory you have, or should I consider that I may be wrong and collect your theories as a possibility? What is the best way to grow the future? Doubt until proof or consideration until disproved?

In my eyes, you picked the most comfortable chair. I prefer adventure myself.

I don't quite understand what your getting at. Are you suggesting that my argument that the ancient astronaut theory is wrong to be analogous to concluding that I'm a character? Are you saying that I am failing to take evidence into account in my conclusions just as you would be if you assumed I was a character? If so, then perhaps this debate would be better served by presenting me with the evidence in question that you think that I've overlooked rather than continuing along this line of discussion.

[Tadao]

Yes Jeanette, it is extremely hard for you to take in to consideration the whole of the universe. Things can actually relate to other things. I like to call it a comparison.

[Jeanette X]

Yes Jeanette, it is extremely hard for you to take in to considering the whole of the universe. Things can actually relate to other things. I like to call it a comparison.

So present me with the evidence that you think I've overlooked in my hasty conclusion. Enlighten me.

[Tadao]

The simple lack of evidence that you have provided is evident of your hasty conclusion.

[Jeanette X]

The simple lack of evidence that you have provided is evident of your hasty conclusion.

No, you're the one defending the fringe claim. The onus is on YOU to provide me with evidence backing it.

[Tadao]

I never said the theory you provided was false. The onus is on you because you are claiming the fringe claim is wrong.

[Jeanette X]

I never said the theory you provided was false. The onus is on you because you are claiming the fringe claim is wrong.

If any of you believe it, give me a specific reason as to why and I will explain to you why its a load of crap.
I asked for specific examples from people to discuss. Do you really expect me systemically collect every last piece of ancient astronaut goobeldygook from every last weirdo out there and present them here?

What is it SPECIFICALLY about the theory that you find plausible?

[Tadao]

I know what you asked for, but part of being a sentient being is to think for ones self. I don't bow to you. I don't expect you to know everything, that's the point.

What do I find plausible about ancient astronauts? I need to be clear on this. Is that your question?

[kahljorn]

I don't see how you've shown that any of this is not plausible.

[Tadao]

To say that in the time of our elders, alien life with space travel could not have existed would sound completely fucking stupid. She is stuck between creationism and evolution and doesn't understand that there might be more that 2 choices.

[Zhukov]

I highly doubt that we are the only intelligent life in the universe. I don't, however, think that we have made any sort of contact.

Although any alien life that is highly developed enough (socially and technologically) to visit us would probably see it better to leave our development well enough alone, and at the very least, hide any involvment.

[Dimnos]

I think what she should have said was...

"With all the evidence I have seen I dont believe in the ancient astronaut theories. Does anyone have any specifics to cause them to believe that I may have over looked?"

[Jeanette X]

To say that in the time of our elders, alien life with space travel could not have existed would sound completely fucking stupid.

Yes, saying that is completely fucking stupid.

Good thing that isn't what I said. >:
What do I find plausible about ancient astronauts? I need to be clear on this. Is that your question?


YES. Jesus. That is my question. What do you find plausible about the theory?!
I think what she should have said was...

"With all the evidence I have seen I dont believe in the ancient astronaut theories. Does anyone have any specifics to cause them to believe that I may have over looked?"
YES. Thank you. You have articulated the question better than I did. That is precisely what I meant.

[Colonel Flagg]

I believe that 99% of all conspiracy theories are conspiracies.

[Tadao]

YES. Jesus. That is my question. What do you find plausible about the theory?!

I'm bored of it. Maybe if I drink heavily later. :heart

[The Leader]

Jeanette makes me happy on the inside.

[DougClayton4231]

Did you know that Kool-aid was actually invented to give people AIDS but the forumla didn't work and instead gave them diabetes? True story.

[Dimnos]

You sure its diabetes it gave you and not a brain tumor? :rolleyes

[DougClayton4231]

My brain tumor came way before I started drinking Kool-aid Dimnos.

[Wiffles]

Quick, get medical help before you mutate into a big jug full of kool-aid that busts through walls! O_O

[MajorScales]

Here is a conspiracy theory I firmly believe.

Most things that come out of Hollywood and even now the music industry is bullshit. The Kanya West thing/Brad pitt with Angelina Jolie its all bullshit to get your pre-pubescent minds on a bunch of bullshit. Imagine your job was to make one of the actors from Twilight and put them in the limelight...it would be a double suicide anal asphyxiation if I was there publicist.

[Tadao]

Yeah, I would totally turn down a shit ton of money.

[Dr. Boogie]

Ooh, here's a couple:

-FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attacks, but allowed them to happen to push America into WWII. I don't know all the details of this one, but I've heard it thrown out there before.

-The CIA invented AIDS/crack to decimate the black community.

[DougClayton4231]

Quick, get medical help before you mutate into a big jug full of kool-aid that busts through walls! O_O

OH YEAH!!!

[Dimnos]

-FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attacks, but allowed them to happen to push America into WWII. I don't know all the details of this one, but I've heard it thrown out there before.

I heard one that said Churchill knew about it but let it happen so the US would join the allies.

[ChrisGlass]

Conspiracies I believe:
Aliens exist and JFK was not killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.

Ones I dont:
9/11 went roughly as it was described. We wouldn't attack ourselves.
We did land on the moon. Even the Russians believe us.
Obama was fucking born here. They didn't forge microfiche of birth announcements from multiple Hawaiian newspapers 50 years ago.
Etc.

[Dr. Boogie]

I don't think aliens merely existing is really a conspiracy.

[Zhukov]

We did land on the moon. Even the Russians believe us.


Oh, NOW you trust the Russians. They've been putting flouride in your water for decades and you still think of them as trustworthy.

[captain516]

New York City has 11 letters.
Ramsin Yuseb,The terrorist who threatened the Twin Towers in 1993, has 11 letters.
'George W. Bush' has 11 letters
New York is the 11th state
The first plane crushing against the Twin Towers was flight #11
Flight # 11 was carrying 92 passengers Adding this number gives us: 9+2=11
Flight # 77 who also hit the towers, was carrying 65 passengers Adding this: 6+5=11
The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11. Adding this: 9+1+1=11
The date is equal to the emergency number 911. Adding this: 9+1+1=11
The total number of victims inside the planes were 254: 2+5+4=11
September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year: 2+5+4=11
After September 11, there were 111 days more to the end of the year.
The tragedy of 3/11/2004 in Madrid also adds up to: 3+1+1+2+4=11
The tragedy in Madrid happened 911 days after the tragedy of the Twin Towers.

[executioneer]

hahah numerology

[MajorScales]

Ooh, here's a couple:

-FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor attacks, but allowed them to happen to push America into WWII. I don't know all the details of this one, but I've heard it thrown out there before.

-The CIA invented AIDS/crack to decimate the black community.


I think it was crack for the black and Aids for the gays...someone at the CIA came up with a limerick and history was made :)

[Dimnos]

How do you get that New York is the 11th state?

[Colonel Flagg]

11th to ratify the constitution.

[Dimnos]

Ah.

[Geggy]

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs256.snc1/10333_1247400344758_1221914078_30773199_5073604_n. jpg
Aired on 9/21/97

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs256.snc1/10333_1247399624740_1221914078_30773192_2716708_n. jpg
Expiration date on Neo's passport in The Matrix (1999)