Originally Posted by kahljorn

By the way I forgot to comment on the little kid thing you see the reason I mentioned that is because despite this little encounter you guys had: you apparantly still haven't read anything geggy posted or responded to any of the material, thus satisfying that there was no "argument" or debate; el blanco still isn't particularly satisfied by geggy and probably never will be.
Also the thing that bothers me the most is that the discrepancy you seemed most satisfied with is the most obvious one. Do you know what I'm referring to?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"The only thing I asked from Geggy was his own, solid opinion, he gave it, and the conversation between him and myself was closed."

Pretty gay conversation huh? Like i said, you guys argue in the land of opinions which don't really matter Besides I can't believe you guys have read through this forum for however long and you've never seen geggy make a "Solid opinion" or point out a single decent discrepancy.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

You guys are sitting here acting like you're having a powow SMOKEM PEACE PIPE we're coming together and finding the truth about geggy's opinion! I just thought it was lame, like something little kids would do. I don't really give a damn about the conspiracy theories themselves.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I don't know I guess I just think you guys have the mental capacity of a four year old, in this instance. You guys can be pretty bright on other topics.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"back up arguments"

BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT WITH A NICE OPINION NO BETTER WAY TO BE JUSTIFIED

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"You aren't making any real claims, you don't have any real idea of what's going on. You are merely suspicious of the government, and think the government is lying just because it's the government. "

If I wanted to argue opinions and pretend to know things about things that nobody except the people there could possibly know(see conspiracy theory) I really could.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

But that's not the case, I actually agree with you when you say that stuff like this is either a fuck up or..something. People can still create "Conspiracies" over "Fuck ups" though.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Moreover the entire issue of 9/11, regardless of if there was any actions on our government's part to actually destroy the world trade towers, is that the Government USED the emotional soft spot of Americans to take us into an unjust war, along with the creation of todays socio-political climate. As far as that war goes, and it's justification, THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY ADMITTED TO LYING ABOUT IT.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"Therefore, you rely on more intelligent 9/11 theorists like Geggy to provide real arguments, and rise to their defense if someone has the audacity to question them. "

:LOL Great job bringing out the REAL ARGUMENTS from geggy by asking him for his PERSONAL OPINION. GREAT JOB.

Originally Posted by I

But if the facts are there, the opinion is sound, and obviously has sound backup, then the truth can be quite clear. However, it is up to the conspiracy theorist to provide this.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I don't really care about 9/11, I haven't even once really talked about a single conspiracy theory I've been talking about the nature of a conspiracy theory and the logic of your gay "ARGUMENT' which in it's classic terms isn't even a real argument. You do get that that's my problem with your argument is that it's dumb and not really an argument, right?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"So is that why you have a problem with opinions? "

lol. Is this even worth answering? I have a problem with opinions because they are OPINIONS.
Let's look at the definition of opinion:
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
You asked for his "judgement that rests on insufficient grounds" to produce complete certainty that you know that he knows what he's talking about so he'll have the strength to convince neutral minds otherwise.

Originally Posted by I

But if the facts are there, the opinion is sound, and obviously has sound backup, then the truth can be quite clear. However, it is up to the conspiracy theorist to provide this.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"you have only two things; facts, and your opinion based on those facts. "

You guys asked for his opinion on facts but his opinion didn't really matter at all. You see this is the catcher, it's not the damned opinion that matters. It's the "fact" that there was a "Discrepancy" that matters. Geggy didn't really "State his opinion' he stated a "Discrepancy", that's what you guys were convinced of. One that I'm sure he didn't discover through investigative journalism but by reading a bunch of different articles about 9/11.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

So why ask for his own words and his own opinion when what mattered most was the discrepancy that was discovered by somebody else? If he stated his opinion without the discrepancy would it have been so valuable? no. it would've had no value, because it wouldn't have had a discrepancy behind it.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

And if all you guys needed was a decent discrepancy to convince you that there's justification for considering what happened on 9/11.. i don't know. I give up on life if that's the case because there's plenty of decent discrepancies floating around to at least give you the inclination to be interested in what actually happened. I mean, discrepancy alone should be enough to make any normal, healthy person wonder. Especially when it comes down to something important.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"And if you really feel that talking about your theories won't do any good, then feel free to keep quiet."

SORRY ILL EVEN GO BACK AND EDIT MY CONSPIRACY THEORIES OUT OF MY OTHER POSTS

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"Why do you have a problem with this?"

Because his opinion has nothing to do with what actually transpired on 9/11?
Because the inevitable pointlessness of asking for opinions has already occured because your conversation is CLOSED. So do you believe everything geggy says now? ARE YOU GOING TOLOOK AT WHAT HE SAYS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY? NO IT WAS ALL POINTLESS DRAMA.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

You guys are little cockteases.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Also I should add that discrepancies in and of themselves don't prove a damned thing.

Oh yea and didn't you guys want him to state his own opinion so he'd have a strong argument, so you guys wo uld know that he knows what he's talking about? So you guys could maybe continue the argument? Why is it that the conversation is now closed, instead of you guys continuing to bring up points?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

See, I don't really need to do anything to make my point that your guys stance on this was ridiculous and pointless, the conclusion of this thread and "Argument" is enough. I don't need an "Opinion" to prove that, the discrepancy is clear.
I think it's pretty obvious you guys were just being bitter cunts.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I just think it's funny you guys play fringe cowboys with conspiracy theories like you're fighting some uphill battle.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

"Far too many conspiracy theories mention irregularities that are merely suspicious, and means that the government is lying... but only if you felt that way in the first place"

But I don't feel that way at all

Originally Posted by kahljorn

and as a reasonable person I find the lack of information involved in something that started a war and is responsible for the current political atmosphere unreasonable. I also find all the recent news about how the administration has been lying and falsifying reports to us indicative of some type of "conspiracy" or a "pattern of discrepancy". Obviously the government was lying, about what I'm not making any real claims.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

but you guys continue to argue vague notions of reality like "Opinion".

Originally Posted by Geggy

Blanco

Lookit...you had me there for a while cuz I swear that I remember mineta testimony had been edited out of the report.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Okay I think we are having some linguistic difficulties here.

Accusations don't require a well written and well thought out plan behind them. All accusations require is that somebody is perceived of doing wrong and somebody publically announces it. That's an accusation. The well thought out and well written parts come 'after' that when people try to prove their accusation is correct.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Secondly let's get to what a Discrepancy actually is:
"an instance of difference or inconsistency" So if we had TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A STORY, like with your JFK story, then that's discrepancy.

Here's some examples of discrepancies in the 9/11 conspiracy theory case:
GOVERNMENT CLAIMS ONE THING EVERYBODY ELSE CLAIMS SOMETHING ELSE. DISCREPANCY.
WITNESSES CLAIM ONE THING GOVERNMENT CLAIMS ANOTHER.
EXPLOSIONS AND OTHER EVENTS SURROUNDING 9/11 MAKE IT SEEM LIKE A PLANNED OUT ATTACK ON OUR SIDE RATHER THAN A SLIP UP ON DEFENSE LIKE THE GOVERNMENT SAID.
OH LOOK GUYS THAT WASNT A PLANE THAT FLEW BY MY HEAD AND HIT THE BUILDING IT SOUNDED LIKE A MISSILE NOT LIKE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SAID.
THERES EVIDENCE MISSING HERE THAT MAKES US THINK IT'S A CONSPIRACY

What are those all examples of?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Okay.. but that doesn'tmean it's the only type of discrepancy in the world. It just means that it's the type of discrepancy powerful enough to change somebody's mind, and who knows if it's even "Valid" then, just because they are SUPPOSEDLY neutral and got outraged? That's not proof, nor does it do anyone any good unless you just like to lead people by their emotional nostrils.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I'm going to repost this from my last post:

Some people find bigger, more substantial discrepencies and people think they are smarter and closer to the truth, but really everybody is just trying to fill in the blanks, that, for some reason, the people whom are responsible won't fill in; that is the greatest DISCREPANCY of all conspiracies.[
IF the government filled in the "Blanks" there would be no "Discrepancies", instead they leave discrepancies behind, thus inciting people to point them out and wonder. That in itself isn't necessarily a sign of guilt, but moreover it isn't a sign of any type of proof or evidence to the truth of what happened. Regardless of what holes there are, except for a few smart people, most people are still shooting in the dark at what really happened.
The government not filling in the holes is a type of discrepancy.