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| Oct 12th, 2003 02:28 AM | ||
| Big Papa Goat |
 I thought OAO was talking about taxes in his first post, since I don't know what eminent domain laws are. But as to the government expropriating land, I don't see anything wrong with it in principle, so long as the owners are compensated. I don't see any reason why the government shouldn't be allowed to take land from individuals if it will then use the land towards the public good.
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| Oct 12th, 2003 02:10 AM | ||
| Perndog |
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| Oct 12th, 2003 12:41 AM | ||
| Jeanette X |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 11:26 PM | ||
| AChimp |
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You don't own the land. You own the title to it. The government's authority with regards to the land supercedes your own, provided that they can show there is good enough reason to expropriate it. |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 10:45 PM | ||
| El Blanco |
". . .nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." What is considered due process? "The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States. . ." See, it doesn't belong to to United States, it belongs to the citizen. It is US terrirtory, but that is different from property. [/i] |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 10:03 PM | ||
| AChimp | No, by trailer he meant that 7' x 10' thing you drag behind a vehicle, except yours is on blocks rather than wheels. | |
| Oct 11th, 2003 10:02 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 09:59 PM | ||
| VinceZeb | If by "trailer", you mean modest St. Louis county apartment, then the landowners of the appartment would have a problem with it. | |
| Oct 11th, 2003 08:11 PM | ||
| Helm | I wouldn't object to the US goverment if they took away your trailer, however. | |
| Oct 11th, 2003 07:49 PM | ||
| VinceZeb |
Neil Boortz has brought this up for the last month. There are HORRIBLE uses of the domain laws out there such as: Walmart wanting to use the laws so they can take houses and build a supercenter. ACE Hardware wanting the city govt to condem a local hardware store so ACE can move in and provide a healither tax base. It's damn sickening. |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 05:11 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | If someone disagrees with the taking, they can always get a temporary injunction and put the burden of proof on the gov't that they are taking it for public use. If it is for a private contractor to build condos, it most likely won't hold up under the constitution, even if it's state laws b/c the U.S. constitution is a minimum of rights. States must at least meet that threshold if the right is incorporated (which it is) and can only grant more, not less, protection to its citizens. | |
| Oct 11th, 2003 03:51 PM | ||
| AChimp |
PUBLIC USE, aka building a government building, a new road, bulldozing your house to make a park or a war memorial. Stuff like that. If you don't like it, move to a different country. :P |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 01:10 PM | ||
| Perndog | Are they justified? Only under certain circumstances, like if you owe them money or are a criminal. Can they do it? Hell yes. Are you going to stop them? Might makes right. | |
| Oct 11th, 2003 03:09 AM | ||
| The_Rorschach |
Blanco buddy, thats the fifth and fourteenth ammendment she is referencing: ". . .nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." And then Article Four, Section Three of the US Constitution we also see: "The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States. . ." |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 02:03 AM | ||
| Zhukov |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 12:15 AM | ||
| kahljorn |
TO SUMMON THIS UP WITH A POEM: Mapped Boundries, land paintde with blue sand One foot here, one foot there, you never know just where I drew a man in this sand, red crayon, I named him sam Gentlemen's cane, thick with ivy, swung and struck poor sandman's hand Murder, masacre I cursed, how could you harm my mount of dirt? For this measure of malice I will not stand No blood was seen, for this his hand i drew in green, just to understand his great obscenes The scene had changed, I conjurde new time and foe For poor sam, the man of sand, the seeds of war were sewn. |
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| Oct 11th, 2003 12:07 AM | ||
| whoreable | Yea they pay you what they think is fair. Either way its bullshit. But this situation is much worse because it is not being used to the cities infrastructure it is for someone else's business. | |
| Oct 10th, 2003 11:27 PM | ||
| El Blanco | But they just can't seize it. I'll have to check that part of the Constitution. Where is it? | |
| Oct 10th, 2003 11:23 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | gov't can take your land for gov't purposes so long as they pay you fair mkt value. it's in the constitution. | |
| Oct 10th, 2003 11:17 PM | ||
| El Blanco |
Ummmm, no they can't. Not even for a highway (who builds a highway through a residential area?). We are not the government's subjects. Its not the government's land and we are just squatting on it. Thats a Communist state. You don't need government permission to buy or sell property. |
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| Oct 10th, 2003 10:23 PM | ||
| kahljorn |
LETS ARRANGE A RIOT, OR AT LEAST A STRIKE Who's down for it? |
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| Oct 10th, 2003 09:22 PM | ||
| whoreable |
I saw this on the news a few days ago. Quote:
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| Oct 10th, 2003 08:15 PM | ||
| AChimp |
Ahh... you must have heard about that little community in Wisonsin (or wherever) where they want to bulldoze the 100-year-old houses to make condos. In that case, no, it is not justified. But, if they wanted to build a highway through there, damn straight. They can take as much as they want. |
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| Oct 10th, 2003 07:56 PM | ||
| punkgrrrlie10 | well since it was written into the bill of rights by those who in effect started the united states, i think it's pretty justified. | |
| Oct 10th, 2003 07:31 PM | ||
| kahljorn |
Technically the government owns all "Property" we live on, because they are the "Government". We are just "Leasing". Duh. I OWN YOUR DIRT. |
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