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| Dec 1st, 2003 05:39 PM | ||||
| kellychaos |
When the paratrooper course has been completed (as far as the army goes) a "P" identifier is suffixed to the end of your MOS number no matter what MOS you were beforehand. In other words, this is my MOS plus I've also been to airborne training. Example: I was a 71F10 when I went to airborne training and I became a 71F10P after course complettion. The "romeo" and "x-ray" they were referring to was probably their base MOS. Just about any MOS could go through airborne training assuming that they pass the screening tests and that the army has a justified need to have someone of that particular MOS have airborne training. It's basically a budget vs. need thing. |
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| Nov 29th, 2003 09:25 PM | ||||
| The_Rorschach |
Things are far more simpler in the Navy, where the letter "s" denotes plurality. . .Though I rarely dwelt upon the lingo the Army slung (I worked with two paratroopers at one point, one claiming his MOS was "Romeo" and the other proclaiming himself "X-Ray, and while this confused the fuck out of me, they seemed to think it perfectly rational), but as I understand things, a troop is a unit or body of men, a trooper is the singular entity. 
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| Nov 29th, 2003 01:03 PM | ||||
| kellychaos |
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soldier squad (8 - 12 soldiers) platoon (36 - 40 soldiers) company (180 - 200 soldiers) battalion (800 - 1000 soldiers) brigade (5500 - 6000 soldiers) task force (sometimes, but not always) division (28,000 - 30,000 soldiers) corps ( ? ) |
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| Nov 27th, 2003 06:26 PM | ||||
| Zebra 3 |
Morale Booster or Nailing the Coffin Shut? [center:0add580dd2]  Turkey in Baghdad serving turkey to US troops[/center:0add580dd2] |
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| Nov 27th, 2003 12:14 AM | ||||
| Abcdxxxx | I'll accept that. Except, wouldn't a military planner get confused? How do they differentiate the two? Hand signals? I mean when are troops just a troop, instead of an actual troop? According to dictionary dot come the boy scouts use the word to describe a group of five or more scouts. Should I be concerned that our Boy Scouts are more specific then our military? Also, this puts a new spin on the various accounts I've read about Vietnam describing entire troops being demolished. Maybe they meant the entirety of one troop, describing the death of an individual soldier? Worse yet, this is going to put a new spin on "hang in there little trooper" pep talks. I give a lot of pep talks. Anyway, I'll get used to it. Keep on Truck. | |||
| Nov 26th, 2003 04:10 PM | ||||
| kellychaos |
The word "troop" was used in reference to an individual or group interchangeably when I was in the army. This brings up a point with me that seems to run through this entire thread and that is "learning to differentiate between the military as a whole, and what the individual soldier is responsible for". Time and time again on the board, I see a lot of people railing against what the "military" does and sometimes it is not clear whether you're talking about the soldiers who are individual, REAL people (who could use a little empathy and certainly are NOT mere numbers. Please, those who served get enough of that from their superiors in the military). I would say that in a lot of what the soldiers are called to do, they rarely have a choice but still seem to answer for later and are victims to these generalized theories of the "monday morning generals. As if!!  Most soldiers don't have a sense of loyalty to the ARMY as a whole but to their individual unit and rarely have the perspective of what's happening in the army "as a whole" but only what they need to do to get by. When they return, however, they're seen as the target for what evils the what the military did, as a whole, "over there". Whether this leads to suicide in some cases I cannot say (it depends on the individual, certainly) but I can't see where it would help.
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| Nov 26th, 2003 03:00 AM | ||||
| Abcdxxxx | I couldn't get past the oddity of using the word "troops", as in "17 troops" to speak of 17 individuals. I'm not used to a single soldier being called a troop. I had visions of a G.I. Joe Jonestown for a split second. | |||
| Nov 25th, 2003 05:05 PM | ||||
| ranxer |
i missed it zhukov. but i gotta say war terrorizes both sides of the conflicts..just like vietnam, and especially with a guerilla style war, a blending of civilian and military attackers is a horrific expierience..like a nuke it's another of those things i compare to an actual "hell on earth." The casualties our neighbors, friends, and families are suffering will be counted for many years after their return in illness and psycological damage. Jessica lynch is a somewhat extreem example but she talks of the many many others that she was with in the mess.. i can't imagine it will be much easier for them to recover from the experience of that convoy attack.. the attack which happens on a smaller scale almost 18 times a day now. Jessica has been discharged so she is no longer counted in the wounded.. nor if for some reason dies from her war wounds or commits suicide will she be counted as a military death just as many hundreds from vietnam have not been counted or attributed to the vietnam war. |
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| Nov 25th, 2003 11:05 AM | ||||
| Zhukov |
Sorry everyone, I didn't mean to say I want to see the US lose, I apologise. I wish no US soldiers would die and I wish no iraqis would die. I am praying to God to ask him to make sure nobody dies. Quote:
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| Nov 24th, 2003 01:03 PM | ||||
| ItalianStereotype |
well, thanks to this thread, we now know what a hypocritical jackass Zhukov is. I think things like this happen in every combat situation, but with so little popular support for the war it's really being expounded upon. |
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| Nov 24th, 2003 12:48 PM | ||||
| Protoclown | Well, thanks to this thread, we now know who the assholes are. | |||
| Nov 24th, 2003 10:36 AM | ||||
| Zhukov |
First of all, If I posted an article on an anarchist getting his pants kicked I would expect everyone to have a good laugh. Second; There is no need to make fun of me. I accept the word sob. Sorry. b) "Wah wah wah". This was a joke - Who else says "Wah wah wah"? Fourth; I called this a 'sob' story becasue half the article is spent making me feel sorry for a battling mother juggling a career and a family. Although that is not to say I don't feel sorry for her. Fifth; I don't feel sorry for the womans husband - not only had he been killing in iraq, but he had been killing in Kosovo as well. A 19 year old boy signing up on a whim, yes, but not a career soldier. It's sad that these people commited suicide - it is a good indication that they didn't want to be there, and if they don't want to be there then I support them. I would prefer that they go home if they are depressed, not kill themselves. If they are happy to be in Iraq... Well the US will not leave voluntarily... |
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| Nov 24th, 2003 10:21 AM | ||||
| mburbank | The milk of Human kindness runs thin. | |||
| Nov 23rd, 2003 07:39 PM | ||||
| The One and Only... | Don't get me wrong. I don't agree with the war. I think it might very will hurt our defence more than it really helped, not to mention our pockets. But the war does do a couple of things that are (arguably) good; one of those being a message sent that you don't join the military unless you are willing to fight. | |||
| Nov 23rd, 2003 06:42 PM | ||||
| Perndog |
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However, as you said, the crazies are in the minority. And I'm not talking about solving the problem of having them around; I'm saying it's good for the rest that they did something about it themselves. They don't deserve my sympathy - if most soldiers (the normal ones) don't kill themselves or go nuts (at least not until after the war's over), there can be no justification for those who do, who are in the same circumstances but lack the constitution to keep their heads in order. They are inferior, at least in that respect, and should either a) go to war and subsequently kill themselves to increase the mean quality of the human race or b) show some brains and not put themselves there in the first place, since we do still have a volunteer army and within that army are plenty of tracks that don't involve combat or placement near the front. Quote:
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 05:10 PM | ||||
| mburbank |
I would suggest that no one knows in advance what being in a war will do to them. I would also suggest that a lack of empathy is nothing to be proud of. |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 05:00 PM | ||||
| Guderian |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 03:49 PM | ||||
| The One and Only... |
You don't have to be in a war to kill yourself. And if you kill yourself because of a war, you shouldn't be in the Army. |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 02:22 PM | ||||
| mburbank |
Say, that's kind of dumb. I mean, the lack of compassion isn't exactly striking, but that's more stupid than usual. Put people in Mortal fear of their lives for an extended periods of time, offer than no speciffic time when it will be over, and mostly they do crazy things. They kill the enemy, they kill civillians, they kill each other and they kill themselves. True, most folks will settle for just killing the enemy, but I promise you, they're a lot of these kids are halfway crazy, not becuase of mental problems they had before they shipped over, but becuase of the mental problems many, many people would develope if you exposed them to the conditions and uncertanties our soldiers are facing in Iraq. You want to sort ourt all the folks who might do something really niuts? Bring 'em all home. |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 02:11 PM | ||||
| Perndog | Anyone mentally unstable enough to kill himself is not someone you want fighting with you and possibly protecting your life. For the sake of the surviving troops, I say good riddance. | |||
| Nov 23rd, 2003 12:48 PM | ||||
| Jeanette X |
Really Zhukov...
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 12:38 PM | ||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Yeah Zukov, but I'll bet if you posted some sob story about black bloc anarchists getting beaten in Miami, you'd expect us to all go "wah wah wah," "no justice, no peace," right sport? But when human life is being lost out of nothing more than pure desparation, in service to their country, it's not a big deal to you. 17 less "imperialists," right? |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 12:01 PM | ||||
| Zhukov |
Wah wah wah. No, they wouldn't be calculated in war casualties. So remember, after the iraq war, when 50 people have comited suicide (or whatever), that hundreds will then kill themselves, and they wont be taken into consideration for official counting. |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 11:55 AM | ||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
Then those wouldn't be calculated in war casualties, now would they? And I think the word you're looking for is "sob." |
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| Nov 23rd, 2003 11:49 AM | ||||
| Zhukov |
If I had wanted to read a sop story, I would have. Bah. nothing to compare it with... Maybe.... Vietnam? Even though they are totaly different wars. ...More Vietnam vets killed themselves after the war than died during. |
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