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| Jan 29th, 2004 03:44 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman | Now that's something we can agree on. | |
| Jan 29th, 2004 03:39 PM | ||
| Perndog |
I agree. I'm just telling you how things *do* work, regardless of how they *should*. Smoking, drinking, and prescription drugs are legal because: 1) Smoking wasn't considered harmful for an awfully long time so why would it be morally wrong? They don't apply morals ex post facto, they stick with tradition. And tradition says smoking is fine. 2) Jesus drank wine and so did an awful lot of good Christians back in the day. Therefore, alcohol is okay. Holy Communion, anyone? 3) Prescription drugs are helpful. The Bible never said there was anything wrong with medicine. It's not so much that the religion is specifically anti-drug, it's that mind-altering drugs have been seen as morally wrong over the centuries in Western culture and have had much more of a stigma than the next closest thing, alcohol. Probably because most drug addicts in history were serious fuckups in one way or another, even if they happened to be some of the best writers/philosophers/whatever. |
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| Jan 29th, 2004 02:14 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman |
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The government shouldn't make laws just because of their "good old fashioned Christian morals" because of a little thing called "separation of church and state." Laws should be based on facts and stuff, not "good old fashioned Christian morals." |
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| Jan 29th, 2004 12:46 PM | ||
| Vibecrewangel |
EEp Well then lord knows, I'm not a "good citizen" |
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| Jan 29th, 2004 12:27 PM | ||
| Perndog | Good old fashioned Christian morals. The other addendum to "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is "...as long as it's not a sin." Gluttony is one of those sins that's kind of faded in importance, while fornication is definitely still a big one and any "good citizen" will tell you it's morally wrong to use drugs. | |
| Jan 29th, 2004 09:18 AM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman |
If the issue of personal choice is so fundamental to American society, then how come the government sees fit to illegalize things that are relatively harmless? I'm talking about things like marijuana, gay marriage, and polygamy, to name a few. You claim that people should have the right to choose to be a fat fuck. If that's true, then they should have the right to choose a whole bunch of other stuff too. If the government can control things, then how come they can't control what you eat? Don't turn this into a debate about whether the government should or shouldn't legalize marijuana, gay marriage, polygamy, or whatever. Let's not go totally off topic here. |
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| Jan 29th, 2004 12:43 AM | ||
| Perndog |
Actually, banning pop machines in school didn't bother me, it was the remarks I noticed saying we should close fast food restaurants and all that fun stuff that I was replying to. As a minor you are not entitled with nearly the same liberties as adults are, and the government has *always* set down special rules for minors. Everyone (except those unlucky bastards who die really young) grows up eventually, so you only get the shaft temporarily, so it's okay. It's in the same league as legal smoking, drinking, and fucking ages. Not that I think it's good or necessary to fuck with kids' diets--that's a job for parents--but I don't have a problem with it. Of course, maybe that's because I'm not one of you anymore and I'm still young enough to be happy about my new privileges. 
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| Jan 28th, 2004 11:22 PM | ||
| Immortal Goat | Selling e-coli ridden beef and selling pop are two completely different things. And yes, I know I can buy the stuff in stores. That is not my point. My point is that the government should not be able to regulate this kind of stuff. That is what is worrying me. I could care less whether or not the pop machines work, but the fact that the government is regulating it is what disturbs me. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 10:38 PM | ||
| Big Papa Goat |
Should I have the right to sell E coli ridden beef? I could save a lot of money by not using methods of slaughtering and packaging that are less sanitary than most, and pass the savings on to the consumer. Other companies can sell their beef for more and advertise that they use safer methods, and the American people can make their decisions based on the balance of risk and benefit. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 10:32 PM | ||
| Drew Katsikas | They're not taking away the food. They just don't supply it to you. Christ. Fucking buy it at a supermarket, they won't give you shit for that, and they never will. They don't wish to be the merchants of soda during the given hours becuase they find it unhealthy. If you don't like it, bring a soda. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 10:13 PM | ||
| Immortal Goat |
Just look at the OTHER person in your avatar. But seriously, folks, I would like to commend Perndog here for being the only person to truly make any sense out of you folks. OAO, you kinda agree with me, but I don't like you. You folks are entitled to your opinions, sure, but I find it scary that you think that banning certain foods is the way to reach better public health. It isn't. I would rather see my tax dollars go to fund mandatory programs in schools that teach the dangers of bad foods than have those foods completely taken away. Look at it from this standpoint. If the government were to go out tomorrow and close down all the McDonalds, Burger Kings, and whatever the fuck else is out there, then that would mean that there would be millions of people (yes, millions. those airheaded unwed teenage moms and dads gotta work somewhere) would be out of a job. That would mean that our tax dollars would be going to support them on wellfare, and that isn't something I wanna do, either. Eating what we want is an American freedom, and they may force us to take health-food classes, but they can never take away... OUR FREEDOM!!!! :williamwallace |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:54 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman | Stupidity is the reason everything in America happens. it is the driving force behind America. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 08:52 PM | ||
| Perndog |
Stupidity: the other, unspoken principle of American life.
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:48 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman | I see your point about the conflicting with the principles of society thing, but it seems really stupid for the government to just stand by and not do anything at all while people get fatter than Rosie O'Donnel. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 08:46 PM | ||
| Perndog | What I meant is that this sort of thing conflicts with the very principles of the society; it doesn't matter if you agree with them yourself. I know I don't. I was just trying to put together a selfless version of my argument. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 08:38 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman | I don't have "the American dream" becaue I'm not American. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 08:36 PM | ||
| Perndog |
Pardon me if I don't care about Joe Schmuck and his fat wife and 2.3 kids. I don't have to stop thinking only about myself. I've been doing it for quite a while now and it suits me fine. I don't plan on living in the States my whole life anyway, and if food were regulated that would just be one more reason for me to leave. Even if I weren't being completely selfish, it's called personal freedom. The benefit of letting a person become a fat fuck is personal choice. Aside from the health care issue, how is it anyone else's business if I decide I want to be fat and die young? This is not something that is reasonable for a government based on liberty to regulate; if you care about America so much you should realize that government control over people's diets is definitely not compatible with the American dream. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:27 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman | You have to stop thinking only about yourself. Think about how an pandemic of morbid obesity would affect America, not just you. In my opinion, the benefits of restricting access to unhealthy food by far outweighs the benefits of letting everyone become fat fucks. | |
| Jan 28th, 2004 08:22 PM | ||
| Perndog |
If people really want to be healthy they will do their homework, educate themselves, and do it. If they are unhealthy and/or obese, it is their own damn fault, no matter what. Re: uninformed choices. They can vote for whoever they want, right? Are most voters sufficiently informed? No. But they can still do it. So let them eat what they want, too. Re: "the fattest fucking country in the [world]" The fact that a lot of people in America are fat sure as hell shouldn't mean that everyone's lifestyles are restricted. I don't know about you, but my personal identity isn't affected by the average weight of the population of this country. I don't care if 90% of Americans end up morbidly obese; why the fuck would that be the problem of the rest of us? I would appreciate it if there were more fat chicks so I could pick out the ones worth my attention at a glance instead of having to waste time talking to the hot airheads. Re: public health care. This is the real problem. I don't do politics, so I can't offer an educated solution. I say privatized health care only, but in any case I do know that I'd rather pay more money for the government to maintain the fat bastards than be unable to eat freely. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:15 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman |
*sigh* Hitler's not the only person in my avatar, jeez. Besides, smoking is bad. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:12 PM | ||
| Big Papa Goat |
Hitler had the same idea about smoking 
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:11 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:10 PM | ||
| Drew Katsikas |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:09 PM | ||
| Pee Wee Herman |
I do agree that it should be a matter of choice, but that doesn't seem to be making everyone a health nut. As I said earlier, the general public is not educated or informed about proper nutrition. Therefore, they are not making an informed decision about their eating habits. The government can either make a serious attempt to educate people by making nutrition classes mandatory in school, or by banning unhealthy food at schools and possibly shutting down fast food restaurants. If the government removes access to unhealthy food at any venue, they should replace it with at least several healthy alternatives. Simply put, the public is nowhere near knowledgeable enough about nutrition, therefore they do not know what the fuck they are doing, therefor they will make an uninformed choice. |
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| Jan 28th, 2004 08:07 PM | ||
| Big Papa Goat |
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