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Feb 16th, 2004 04:14 PM
The One and Only...
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Originally Posted by Big Papa Goat
You abused the word science pretty badly there. Science has never been about finding absolute natural truths, its been about finding the best explanations for natural phenomenon with the available data.
True, but in order for science to have any meaning, we must at least accept that there is some absolute truth - otherwise, it would all become meaningless.
Feb 16th, 2004 08:24 AM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by Big Papa Goat
You abused the word science pretty badly there. Science has never been about finding absolute natural truths, its been about finding the best explanations for natural phenomenon with the available data.
My old high school physics teacher once said that science only deals with "what is false and not false."
Feb 16th, 2004 03:00 AM
Big Papa Goat You abused the word science pretty badly there. Science has never been about finding absolute natural truths, its been about finding the best explanations for natural phenomenon with the available data.
Feb 15th, 2004 08:00 PM
The One and Only... You never considered the fact that I love to abuse language, did you?
Feb 15th, 2004 07:49 PM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by The One and Only...
Even AB should be able to recognize what is so idiotic about those who have faith in science while simultaneously holding that there are no absolute truths.

If nothing can be absolutely true, what the hell is the point of science? If we deny that things can be true, the entire point of science is lost.
Wait, so there's no confusion: did they deny the existence of absolute truths in general or just absolute moral truths?
Feb 15th, 2004 07:34 PM
The One and Only... Even AB should be able to recognize what is so idiotic about those who have faith in science while simultaneously holding that there are no absolute truths.

If nothing can be absolutely true, what the hell is the point of science? If we deny that things can be true, the entire point of science is lost.
Feb 15th, 2004 05:23 PM
AChimp

"Helm, you could spend your time more wisely by going against the grain of your ethnic heritage by 1) taking a bath and 2) engaging in hetrosexual sex."
Feb 15th, 2004 05:14 PM
Pee Wee Herman Why don't you try doing something really uncatholic, like shutting the hell up and/or not being an idiot?
Feb 15th, 2004 05:12 PM
VinceZeb Helm, you could spend your time more wisely by going against the grain of your ethnic heritage by 1) taking a bath and 2) engaging in hetrosexual sex.
Feb 15th, 2004 03:20 AM
Perndog Too much hoopla about Darwin. Religious pseudoscience is only gaining ground in America and other assorted religious countries, not so much in more civilized parts of the world. Pushing a Darwin Day is not going to accomplish anything except a sacrifice of all the money spent on lobbying, etc. etc. etc. These folks should find something more worthwhile to do. Like a barbecue. Those are fun.
Feb 15th, 2004 03:18 AM
Big Papa Goat There are plenty of scientists who aren't scientists too.
Feb 15th, 2004 02:33 AM
Bobo Adobo I think a person like Darwin deserves a special day, concidering his accomplishments towards science.

I always hate to see bigot atheist bash religion like its some inferior way of thinking. Eventhough I'm not a religious person and am pretty close to being an athiest, I still think that religion has given good concepts to help develop society. People who believe in them are just brought up to do so, there not necessarliy stupid.

And its not like you can fully trust science either. There are a lot of scientists that really believe that black are genetically inferior to white people, that men over 60 are gay and how they have these "machines" that can tell if your racist or not.
Feb 14th, 2004 09:25 PM
Brandon I'd like to see it happen, too, but I'm not overly optimistic about its chances. Whether we like it or not, the free-thinkers are completely outnumbered, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. If our society is based on majority rule, we're going to be playing by the rules of religious types for some time.
Feb 14th, 2004 09:18 PM
theapportioner Even if it does happen, I doubt it'll ever amount to much. Atheists/Humanists/Free Thinkers/whathaveyou are far too disorganized to become a powerful bloc. And despite what some say, that Atheism is "just another religion", its disorganization says quite a lot actually - many who hold such beliefs shun such dogmatism, IMO.

I for one would like to see it take off. There may be no "absolute truths", but I can say absolutely that Creationism is just plain wrong.
Feb 14th, 2004 09:06 PM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by Helm
Why do I even need to explain this? This constant oao mocking is derailing every worthwhile thread he posts in. And if oao was a particularily interesting person (even in a bad way) I guess it would be better but oao is just average and many of the things he posts here are blatant flaim bait. I mean, mocking something that really deserves it is one thing, and obsessing over a sorry 16 year old kid with delusions of philosophical profundity is another.
Okay. I'm sorry.
Feb 14th, 2004 09:03 PM
theapportioner I'll take a Darwin Day over Jesus Day any day of the week. :snicker
Feb 14th, 2004 08:38 PM
Helm Why do I even need to explain this? This constant oao mocking is derailing every worthwhile thread he posts in. And if oao was a particularily interesting person (even in a bad way) I guess it would be better but oao is just average and many of the things he posts here are blatant flaim bait. I mean, mocking something that really deserves it is one thing, and obsessing over a sorry 16 year old kid with delusions of philosophical profundity is another.

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Fuck it. Whatever.
Now, young man, I hope to see more of that mentality next time you see oao post more of his usual drivel.
Feb 14th, 2004 07:57 PM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by Helm
Artificial, please don't post to mock OAO in every other thread he visits.
Oh, silly me, I forgot: only certain people here are allowed to do that. I mean, it's not like these boards are about mockery or anything. We should definitely be civil with the little fucker who treats everyone who disagrees with him like an idiot, right?

Fuck it. Whatever.
Feb 14th, 2004 07:57 PM
teh_mastar! Oh heavens, no! Let's not mock anyone on an i-mockery forum!
Feb 14th, 2004 07:19 PM
Helm Artificial, please don't post to mock OAO in every other thread he visits.
Feb 13th, 2004 10:15 PM
Brandon EDIT: Fuck it. Nevermind.
Feb 13th, 2004 09:49 PM
Brandon
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Originally Posted by The One and Only...
And the fact that these guys put so much faith in science and deny "absolute truths" is disturbing in and of itself, but calling themselves "rationalists" puts icing on the cake.
Brak brak brak..
Feb 13th, 2004 09:00 PM
phnompehn You can take the idiots out of their religion, but you can't take the religion out of the idiots.
Feb 13th, 2004 08:53 PM
The One and Only...
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Originally Posted by teh_mastar!
Darwin really opened a can of nasty freakin' worms too, e.g. Eugenics.
Skinner must have fished with them.

And the fact that these guys put so much faith in science and deny "absolute truths" is disturbing in and of itself, but calling themselves "rationalists" puts icing on the cake.
Feb 13th, 2004 12:45 PM
AChimp I'm all for this holiday if it means that we get an extra day off work and school.
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