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Mar 17th, 2004 04:37 PM

kellychaos

Just seems to me that, although I don't remember him making any direct confirmations that Al Qaeda and Iraq were affiliated, he sure tried his damdest to make the connection and sure made a lot of inferences using his big "war on terror" umbrella to generalize the issue to include just about all Arab-Americans. Between these generalizations, terrorist profiling and the Patriot Act, I'm sure glad that I'm not an Arab-American. If that isn't grease for an a big ol' "war on Iraq" machine, I don't know what is.

Mar 17th, 2004 04:28 PM

mburbank

One of the earliest things officially discussed within this administration, within days of the inauguration and probably during the transition was an invasion of Iraq.

9/11 didn't exactly make it a harder sell, and W and company exploited it for all it was worth. To this day they blend the war on terror, Al quaeda and Iraq together as if it were all one thing.

To my mind, tieing up the bulk of our military and our money in Iraq interferes with the war on terror. Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11. He's not in Iraq. Al quaeda carried out 9/11. is still functioning, as the bombing in Spain shows.

Sadaam? Got him. His regime? Gone. But they didn't blow up the world trade center. The ones who did are still functioning and their leader is still at large.

To me, this speaks to W putting his personal priorities ahead of the nations.

Mar 17th, 2004 04:16 PM

kellychaos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Raygun

Kelly, if that is your opinion of Americans then you have been mislead.

You can read polls from major publications or ask the average Joe on the street to determine the veracity of my statement but, I can tell you now, that an overwhelming number of people in my personal poll (as well as in my reading) believe that Iraqis were directly or indirectly involved in the 911 trajedy. Do you think it's coincidence that the president took the opportunity to invade Iraq so shortly after the incident? It was a freakin' wet dream for him. I'm not some conspiracy theorist claiming that Bush planned the 911 trajedy or anything. That's ridiculous. What I am saying; however, is that he took advantage of American emotions and confusion to follow through with something he wanted to do anyway. Do you think that the plans for a second invasion was NOT in the works waaaaaay before the 911 trajedy just waiting for a reason?

Mar 15th, 2004 11:09 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

I'll bet a lot of popular polls can back up his claims.

Mar 15th, 2004 07:02 PM

Ronnie Raygun

No. I'm psychic.

Mar 15th, 2004 06:58 PM

mburbank

Wow. Thanks Psychic Ronnie. Here I was wondering if anyone knew for certain what the American People thought. Are you on a first name basis with the American Collective or are you just dellusional?

Mar 15th, 2004 06:09 PM

Ronnie Raygun

No. The American people STILL think war was justified....because it was.

Mar 15th, 2004 05:28 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

Sort of like the way President Bush mislead the American people into thinking war in Iraq was justified...?

I agree with you completely, Ronnie. It certainly isn't the American people who are the problem....

Mar 15th, 2004 05:22 PM

Ronnie Raygun

Kelly, if that is your opinion of Americans then you have been mislead.

Mar 15th, 2004 05:05 PM

kellychaos

I still hate dem iRAKIZ 'cause they bombed dem towerz n' stuff. :typicalamerican

Mar 15th, 2004 05:02 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

I'm the superman to his Clark Kent.

Mar 15th, 2004 04:57 PM

Ronnie Raygun

Are you Herbivore or not?

Mar 15th, 2004 04:54 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

I am not a John Kerry supporter, and much like yourself, I have problems with his voting record. With that said, I'm undecided as a voter.

I'm not observing your blatant partisan rants as a Kerry voter. I'm not a Democrat, and I think the man is a pompous ass, to be honest. But I will point out the flaws in your over-zealous Bush lovefest when I see them, despite my opinion on Kerry.

Mar 15th, 2004 04:50 PM

Ronnie Raygun

I would say I was wrong.....

.....Look, we're all friends right?

I just don't want you guys to get all pumped up over J. Kerryonly to be let down in Nov.

It will only make you more bitter than you already are.

Mar 15th, 2004 04:37 PM

mburbank

Nalds;

Pride being a sin and going before the fall and all;

What will you say if Kerry soundly defeats W? Or say, squeaks by in a slim electoral college victory?

Mar 15th, 2004 04:33 PM

Bennett

he's a right cunt that one.

Mar 15th, 2004 04:29 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Raygun

Yes.

Just remember this thread.

Damn! I love being right.

Like countless fabricated stories from Newsmax or the Independent concerning WMD in Iraq.....?

What are you right about? It can't be that polls are flawed, because your pro-Bush polls seriously out-number the pro-Kerry ones. It couldn't be that the Kerry people are ignorant for jumping all over these polls, because they clearly aren't. Kerry knows better than anybody that polling is flawed. What the hell are you supposedly right about???

Mar 15th, 2004 04:24 PM

kellychaos

I listen to ev'rythin' that the prez'dent sayz and I hates me all dem aRABS.

Mar 15th, 2004 03:29 PM

Ronnie Raygun

Yes.

Just remember this thread.

Damn! I love being right.

Mar 15th, 2004 03:27 PM

mburbank

Don't you mean it's a FACT that he's a very weak candidate?

Mar 15th, 2004 03:19 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

Thanks for sharing.

Mar 15th, 2004 02:59 PM

Ronnie Raygun

I just feel like Kerry is a weak candidate with a very poor voting record.

Mar 15th, 2004 02:36 PM

The_Rorschach

Yeah well, its all strategy Herr Burbank. As I see it, between September and October, we'll see Osama caught. By keeping all the September Eleventh poshlaia disseminated and propogandized, he'll be able to propel himself (possibly) into a second term.

The Gipper dying wouldn't be enough in and of itself. He needs to sack Osama also. Although, Osama would probably "escape" while being held by some foreign-run detention centre thus allowing Bush to bag him again and again as his popularity falters throughout his second term.

What a God-send terrorists are! We need more of them by golly.

Mar 15th, 2004 09:58 AM

mburbank

I'll tell you what. All polls aside, I find W's use of 9/11 from his ads to the late date and location of the RNC convention to the fact that he's used it as a justification for doing everything he'd put on his wish list BEFORE the attack cynical and extremely distasteful. It's my opinion (not a fact since I'm not psychic, just an opinion) that anyone truly undecided and so not inclined by party loyalty to forgive W is likely to find it distasteful as well.

I think W. has made a HUGE tactical error and it's way too late to back of it now. I think W. has the same tin ear for the mood of the people his father did. On the other hand, he has the money, and the top 2% of America has plenty more to give him.

Time will tell. I don't pretend to know in advance what the electorate will do or what will happen between now and Nov. but I know what I think of the American people, and I think that W and his cabal have misunderestimted them.

Mar 15th, 2004 09:46 AM

glowbelly

59% percent of the people who read this thread think ronnie is a poo head. 42% of those people are part of his family. 56% didn't have an opinion. 2% support ralph nader.

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