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Jun 27th, 2004 01:26 PM

ItalianStereotype

I'm glad you did, Kevin, because ranxer made me laugh.

[ranxer]beware your garbagemen, fools! they are CIA spooks come to find the anti-American garbage and take you away![/ranxer]

Jun 27th, 2004 01:21 PM

KevinTheOmnivore

bump!

Jun 17th, 2004 08:07 AM

KevinTheOmnivore

Quote:

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

I never said that the Contras were
good, I said that the author's article is laughable. He's too one-sided.

You're right. We should see the pleasant side to hired killers, such
as "opening up elections." I mean, democracy has a price, right? In
this case, it tended to be innocent people and their families. But
ya know the old saying, can't make an omlette.....

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So, in this country, since we have a two-party system
ultimately brought about due to one big debate, then Liberalism and
conservatism do in fact oppose each other.

I never said they didn't oppose each other. I said that they aren't
polar opposites.

And what I said..ugh...is that in this country, confined within a two-party structure, they in fact do. I also said that Reagan and FDR symbolize that fundamental divide. They were, in essence, the physical products of the "great debate." NOTE: I realize there is a lot of gray matter betwen both of these men, and I do not dispute you on that. My point before however was that you can't dismiss the "polar" concept merely b/c they were both "interventionists." To do that, you would have to create a strict definition of what conservatism really is, which as I tried to display in my misunderstood Metternich/Neo-cons example, is quite difficult to do.

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Neocons are not only typified by being war hawks, but also by
stronger support for social welfare programs (though still far less
than the left). They also tend to be stronger in their advocation
for government involvement in the preservation of moral standards
than their predecessors.

Metternich, and other CONSERVATIVES, believed in the aristocratic responsibility to aid others, and do charitable deeds. Some have called FDR (OH NO!) "conservative" in the way he, being a well-to-do aristocrat, took on public service to aid the lesser man (Your head is about to come off, I know). This example (the Metternich one) wasn't supposed to be so much about neo-cons, as it was to be about the ambiguity of conservatism itself. Afterall, you're very right about what you've said of neo-conservatism, but you also missed my point. I'm not saying the label neo-con came out of 18th and 19th century conservative movements. I'm saying the very ambiguity of "neo-conservatism" (the label in itself a sort of oxymoron) leads us back to your point about FDR and Reagan. What is a conservative, OAO?

Quote:

And besides, Irving Kristol is considered the founder of
neoconservatism.

And....?

Jun 15th, 2004 04:10 PM

Pub Lover

Yeah, but wouldn't it be fun? Especially if you had one of those Victor Frankenstein dealies where you plug him in & can make him move around & stuff... :/

Jun 15th, 2004 04:06 PM

AChimp

Reagan was 93. He died from being OLD. That's what old people do. Die. Who cares if it was the arthritis, spotty liver or brain disease?

I think I've talked about this before, but they don't do autopsies on everyone. No one gives a shit what he died of because he was one OLD motherfucker. In fact, you only get an autopsy if there's a valid reason for it. Cutting an old dude open to confirm that his ticker stopped is a waste of time and resources. It was bound to happen any day. Any minute. Any second.

Jun 15th, 2004 11:53 AM

ranxer

bleh, time will tell either way.. it may be a long while but we'll find out or maybe out descendants will.. hey, did they do an autopsy on reagun to see if it actually was alzheimers?? i imagine not.. like so many deaths that are because of 'unknown' causes or coroners reports that arent released we will have a hard time finding out what's really doing many people in. why are coroners jobs political positions now? with the amount of corporate collusion in our government i'm asserting its a position used to cover up alot of things they don't want us to know.

i hope your right chimp, but i have my suspicions.

and all you folks out there that write my suspicions off as 'conspiracy theory' i guess you think that if the information is 'secret,' missing, or just classified it must be because our government has our best interests at heart. again and again we've been shown that honesty and truth are prevelent in our policies right?

Jun 13th, 2004 10:51 AM

AChimp

No it won't.

Jun 13th, 2004 08:58 AM

ranxer

time will tell

Jun 12th, 2004 09:42 PM

AChimp

No it's not.

Jun 12th, 2004 09:09 PM

ranxer

get used to alzheimers its the favorite name for american mad cow disease.

Jun 12th, 2004 08:22 PM

ArrowX

Quote:

Ronald Reagan Dies at 93

YAY!

No but nobody should live for 90 yeas at all. Have you ever seen a 90 year old with alsimers? They can't remember their fucking names(Thats what the disease does)

My great Grandpa had Alsimers he was a friggin wreck. Once he took his pills then fell asleep at about 8:00AM then woke up and it was 8:12 (he has a hand watch) then took more pills and almost died.

Jun 12th, 2004 10:38 AM

AChimp

That was my fucking joke after we found out about this. The Onion is always stealing my material.

Jun 12th, 2004 06:50 AM

Dole

Onion headline this week 'Reagan's body dies'

Jun 12th, 2004 05:02 AM

Abcdxxxx

Wait is it over yet? Can't we have another 8 more funerals? We haven't managed to erase any trace of Kennedy funeral imagery from the publics minds yet, and there's still another few more months to capitilize off this before thr Rebulican convention. Maybe if we fly Nancy back and forth from Coast to Coast a few more times she'll keel over too. Lord knows Ronnie's been dead for a while now, and they just needed him to hit one last one for the gipper. For those too young to know, he wasn't someone we thought of as having a good sense of humor or being human. That's why he spawned entire careers of people who just did impressions to ridicule the guy. He wasn't what you'd call well liked, don't get it twisted....and his young republican following was scarier then any hardcore GW fan ever. So much for our Liberal media, they've managed to turn that piece of sit into some saint. We didn't even go to this length to honor Kennedy, who was an acting President in his prime.

Jun 11th, 2004 06:43 PM

ranxer

el blanco

Quote:

call it what you like but i don't share the view that much of the media puts out about reagan, i was posting about these 'i love reagan' clips that keep replaying.. i turned on the regular broadcast tv for like 15 minutes several days in a row and couldnt find much more than reagan eulogies that painted a one sided story, ignoring the results of his 'well intentioned' policies that i don't actually credit to him as much as the people behind his administration.

i can't sum it up for you.. other's here listed some of the facts and accomplishments left out in reagans 'legacy' one thing that comes to mind that hasn't been mentioned is the obsenity of 'trickle down economics' that i think should be on his grave stone as a new way to enrich the slave owners. honestly, if the press went on to other more important news sooner we wouldnt have this discourse :/

here's one of the better ulogies that made it to regular press for what i consider my flavor of op/ed info:
Allowing stem-cell research could be a last win for the Gipper
http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/good0607.htm

Jun 11th, 2004 12:47 PM

Spectre X

Re: Similarities

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAsux

That's an excellent point. Remember that one time when Reagan decided to kill all the Jews in horribly violent, evil ways? And that other time that he decided that he wanted to take over the world?

Much like Hitler, clearly Rondal Reagan's impact on the course of world history was brutal and devastating.

You seem to have completely missed the point. I used Hitler in my arguement to show that changing the history of the world is not always a good thing, because Blanco made the impression that he DID mean this.

Jun 11th, 2004 11:50 AM

conus

I will always remember him for his lifelong loyalty to Ferdinand Marcos and Chiang Kai Chek. Despite the facts available to him, Reagan had the courage to believe their PR firms.

Jun 10th, 2004 07:13 PM

The One and Only...

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

The point being that they were savage fucking killers with no respect for human life, but I'm sure you knew that already......

I never said that the Contras were good, I said that the author's article is laughable. He's too one-sided.

Quote:

So, in this country, since we have a two-party system ultimately brought about due to one big debate, then Liberalism and conservatism do in fact oppose each other.

I never said they didn't oppose each other. I said that they aren't polar opposites.

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You are wrong. Elaborate, or go away. Those men were interventionists, internationalists, and many supported internationalism as a rejection of leftist doctrine, seeing the world divided in half (much like the machtpolitikers of the 10970s).

Neocons are not only typified by being war hawks, but also by stronger support for social welfare programs (though still far less than the left). They also tend to be stronger in their advocation for government involvement in the preservation of moral standards than their predecessors.

And besides, Irving Kristol is considered the founder of neoconservatism.

Jun 9th, 2004 04:52 PM

Stabby

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Blanco

But there is no disputing the fact that he changed the coruse of this country and probably the world.

You are absolutly right. He changed the world.

The selling of weapons to Iran and Iraq changed the world.

The second greatest loss of Marines (since Iwo Jima) in Lebanon did too.

The invasion of Grenada surely inspired changed.

Arming and training the Mujahideen from whence the Taliban and Al Qaeda have flowered changed the world as we can all see.

The extrememly costly and highly ineffective establishment of the War on Drugs had a great impact.

His reckless building up of the national debt and tearing down social systems seems to have changed the face of the Presidency. As did his constant lying, denial and projected stupidity. That changed the way we seem to hold those in power accountable.

No doubting the fact that he changed the world over here.

Jun 9th, 2004 04:23 PM

El Blanco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spectre X

Hitler also changed the course of his country and the world's history.

Just thouhgt you'd like to know that when you go on about 'stupid statements'.

And Hitler got plenty of coverage, and still does to this day. I'm not putting a moral value on Reagan's presidency, but who hear is blind enough to say that his demise isn't a rather large news story?

Do I think the world is abetter place because of Reagan, yes. Even if you don't, how the hell do you ignore his impact?

Jun 9th, 2004 04:12 PM

GAsux

Similarities

Jun 9th, 2004 04:03 PM

Spectre X

Hitler also changed the course of his country and the world's history.

Just thouhgt you'd like to know that when you go on about 'stupid statements'.

Jun 9th, 2004 04:00 PM

El Blanco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stabby

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranxer

i dealt with a few days of idiots cooing about how great reagan was but now i'm just sick of it, damn, when's it going to stop?!

his coffins' on tour now, what fuggin lunacy.

most americans really don't have a clue how our foriegn policy affects the rest of the world, this reagan bullcrap is another example of how many brainwashed idiots we have here.

I feel ya brotha.

Reagans legacy continues to haunt the United States. The celebration of crass consumerism, greed and intolerance.

and we now have at least until Friday of media coverage of the "great communicator" ends. kinda surprising seing as how the media is liberaly biased right? I mean, that's what all the republicans I know tell me.

Are you two honestly that dumb? You two can't possibly be bitching and moaning that the man who was president for 8 years, won two landslide victories, credited for ending the Cold War (whether he did or not, he gets the credit), and reshaped the face of American politics is getting extensive media coverage days after his death.

A lot fo people disagree with his politics. Thats their right and it should be encouraged. But there is no disputing the fact that he changed the coruse of this country and probably the world.

And since you two are such anti-consumerism, counterculturalists, why are you watching all this TV, let alone the major networks?

Oh well, I don't have much else to say, those statements just struct me as profoundly stupid.

Jun 9th, 2004 01:46 PM

glowbelly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Boogie

Um, isn't death always inevitable?

Jun 9th, 2004 01:29 PM

Cosmo Electrolux

too bad that alzheimer's doesn't hurt like a motherfucker...then maybe justice would be served.

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